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What planet do you live on? Seriously.
Hospitals DO come after you for payment through legal action. And sure, some will allow for "payment plans", require it to be paid within an absurdly short amount of time before they move on to collections.
irresponsible people have a myriad of ways to deal with irresponsible debt.
So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
You really believe private charity can pick up the slack?
irresponsible people have a myriad of ways to deal with irresponsible debt.
So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
The irresponsible part is not doing everything you can to pay for it... getting your second job.. cutting out extras like cell phones, satellite TV, DVD players, restaurant meals, etc... also not planning for things with a savings account, paying for health insurance instead of an Escalade, etc
Yes.. in actuality you do.... I have chosen to have procedures done at certain hospitals rather than others, even though they were farther away... some of those choices because of the facility, some based on cost, and yes even one because I found out that the elective surgery that I was having was much more expensive there... and I did do research and find out that that hospital was giving 'free' care in a clinic to illegals (it had been reported in the news a couple years before).. I discussed options with my doctor and decided on a private surgery center which was cheaper.. you can honestly deduce that one of the reasons it could be cheaper was because the private center was not handing out stuff to illegals and passing the cost off onto other patients
By law and by oath a doctor can not turn away a person in desperate need of care. Every single hospital treats its share of people that can not pay, and they in turn pay for that by increasing the cost of treatments.
Your argument that you can somehow avoid paying for those that can not pay for their own care is false.
And hence I went to a private surgery center.. and avoided such things.. they only do surgeries, planned surgeries... they do not give out free VD shots and look at your boo-boos.. and it was indeed cheaper to do it
Just as I chose to give the stitches needed to my own child... I avoided the charge for the emergency clinic or the ER.. and I chose not to deal with the deductible, which would have been more than what it cost me to give her 3 stitches myself
You do have choices... unfortunately you cannot avoid the overcharging institutions all the time... but you CAN reduce your support of the system that hands out care for those who don't do what is necessary to take care of their own responsibilities
By law and by oath a doctor can not turn away a person in desperate need of care. Every single hospital treats its share of people that can not pay, and they in turn pay for that by increasing the cost of treatments.
Your argument that you can somehow avoid paying for those that can not pay for their own care is false.
And hence I went to a private surgery center.. and avoided such things.. they only do surgeries, planned surgeries... they do not give out free VD shots and look at your boo-boos.. and it was indeed cheaper to do it
Just as I chose to give the stitches needed to my own child... I avoided the charge for the emergency clinic or the ER.. and I chose not to deal with the deductible, which would have been more than what it cost me to give her 3 stitches myself
You do have choices... unfortunately you cannot avoid the overcharging institutions all the time... but you CAN reduce your support of the system that hands out care for those who don't do what is necessary to take care of their own responsibilities
Please tell me you are a doctor.
That makes me feel a bit better.No.. Mom is an RN.. and I did field medic duties with the emergency med kits in the Army... given more than my share of stitches.. taken 'em out... not every little thing requires a Dr.
What planet do you live on? Seriously.
Hospitals DO come after you for payment through legal action. And sure, some will allow for "payment plans", require it to be paid within an absurdly short amount of time before they move on to collections.
irresponsible people have a myriad of ways to deal with irresponsible debt.
So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
irresponsible people have a myriad of ways to deal with irresponsible debt.
So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
They sure can be.
So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
They sure can be.
If I fail to get insurance, fail to save up for a medical emergency, and end up in an emergency room, how would you describe my decision-making process?
So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
The irresponsible part is not doing everything you can to pay for it... getting your second job.. cutting out extras like cell phones, satellite TV, DVD players, restaurant meals, etc... also not planning for things with a savings account, paying for health insurance instead of an Escalade, etc
I can tell you from watching this system devastate people I've cared for over the last 25 years that what you describe is not the norm for those buried under healthcare debt.
What planet do you live on? Seriously.But those facilities and hospitals should be allowed to take action (including legal action) to recover the monies they are owed by those who do not pay....
Just as some hospitals assist families in trying to find charities, foundations, etc that are willing to help with expenses... or are willing to put people on payment plans with little or no interest so that they may pay over time since they cannot afford to pay for it all at once
And please also remember that not all things covered by health insurance are emergency situations.. and that things the contributors would end up paying for, for the non-contributors, would increase
Hospitals DO come after you for payment through legal action. And sure, some will allow for "payment plans", require it to be paid within an absurdly short amount of time before they move on to collections.
And it is and should continue to be their right to come after you.. whether you consider it to be 'absurdly short' amount of time or not... as you are not owed taking care of your personal well being by anyone else
And as for the planet I live on.. the same one I lived on when I was under the poverty line... when I did whatever I had to do to take care of myself, without thinking that everyone else owed it to me.. the same planet where my neighbor, with a very sick child with a genetic disorder, worked with the doctor and hospital financial counselor to hook up with a charitable organization to help with their son's expansive medical care costs... and the same planet where those neighbors did not insist that everyone else OWED it to them, where the dad worked a second career at night, sold his vehicles for cheap disposable cars, took out a loan, and slashed things out of their expenses until the charitable help kicked in
They sure can be.
If I fail to get insurance, fail to save up for a medical emergency, and end up in an emergency room, how would you describe my decision-making process?
Non-existent?
Yes, it is. And I'm telling you that the ones I've cared for over the years have been devastated, lost their savings, retirement, income, homes. I suppose that should make you feel so much better to know they were left with nothing.The irresponsible part is not doing everything you can to pay for it... getting your second job.. cutting out extras like cell phones, satellite TV, DVD players, restaurant meals, etc... also not planning for things with a savings account, paying for health insurance instead of an Escalade, etc
I can tell you from watching this system devastate people I've cared for over the last 25 years that what you describe is not the norm for those buried under healthcare debt.
And I can tell you that what you subscribe to, that others owe your personal well being and personal care to you at their expense, is not the standard as set in the foundation of our republic
It is still irresponsible for someone not to do what they can, all that they can, to pay for their own personal needs... it is more irresponsible when we see those people expect and accept 'assistance' when they still have money to spend on smokes, lottery tickets, cable TV, pizzas, video games, etc
If you didn't have the resources to do so, or was denied insurance so that you couldn't have it regardless of ability to pay, how would you describe that?So healthcare expenses are now "irresponsible debt"
You people are hilarious.
They sure can be.
If I fail to get insurance, fail to save up for a medical emergency, and end up in an emergency room, how would you describe my decision-making process?
That makes me feel a bit better.No.. Mom is an RN.. and I did field medic duties with the emergency med kits in the Army... given more than my share of stitches.. taken 'em out... not every little thing requires a Dr.
So. Where did you get the sutures, needle, novacaine, etc.?
Yes, it is. And I'm telling you that the ones I've cared for over the years have been devastated, lost their savings, retirement, income, homes. I suppose that should make you feel so much better to know they were left with nothing.I can tell you from watching this system devastate people I've cared for over the last 25 years that what you describe is not the norm for those buried under healthcare debt.
And I can tell you that what you subscribe to, that others owe your personal well being and personal care to you at their expense, is not the standard as set in the foundation of our republic
It is still irresponsible for someone not to do what they can, all that they can, to pay for their own personal needs... it is more irresponsible when we see those people expect and accept 'assistance' when they still have money to spend on smokes, lottery tickets, cable TV, pizzas, video games, etc
If you didn't have the resources to do so, or was denied insurance so that you couldn't have it regardless of ability to pay, how would you describe that?They sure can be.
If I fail to get insurance, fail to save up for a medical emergency, and end up in an emergency room, how would you describe my decision-making process?
Yes, it is. And I'm telling you that the ones I've cared for over the years have been devastated, lost their savings, retirement, income, homes. I suppose that should make you feel so much better to know they were left with nothing.I can tell you from watching this system devastate people I've cared for over the last 25 years that what you describe is not the norm for those buried under healthcare debt.
And I can tell you that what you subscribe to, that others owe your personal well being and personal care to you at their expense, is not the standard as set in the foundation of our republic
It is still irresponsible for someone not to do what they can, all that they can, to pay for their own personal needs... it is more irresponsible when we see those people expect and accept 'assistance' when they still have money to spend on smokes, lottery tickets, cable TV, pizzas, video games, etc
Yes it's so terrible that it actually manages to reduce costs,reduce the deficit,not raise taxes,and doesn't fine or imprison American Citizens for not having Health Insurance. Yea it's just so terrible. Hey I'll still take it over Reid & Pelosi's disastrous Behemoths any day.
But it doesn't decrease the deficit. It increases the deficit by $8 to $10 billion. And insures just 3 million more people.
I'm wondering ..... if you were actually HONEST about the bill, would you still favor it? Do you have to deceive yourself into thinking it reduces the deficit to be able to favor it or other proposals?
If you didn't have the resources to do so, or was denied insurance so that you couldn't have it regardless of ability to pay, how would you describe that?If I fail to get insurance, fail to save up for a medical emergency, and end up in an emergency room, how would you describe my decision-making process?
If I didnt have the resources- more than likely i made a series of poor career moves. If I was denied insurance? Id have to know why. If its because I waited until I had cancer to try and get insurance- I'd say cry me a river.
