One more reason why republicans will lose big in 2014

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    After the republicans got thrashed in the last election they set up a commission to evaluate why they lost and how to avoid losing in the future. The prime finding of the commission was that the demographics of America were changing (no surprise there) and that if the republicans wanted to remain relevant they needed to change also. The recommendation was that the republican party needs to actively work toward bringing Hispanics into the party.
    They have a perfect chance to do that now but I fully expect that the republican party will once again shoot themselves in the foot. What the republicans need to do is to come out with a broad immigration plan that offers a way for Hispanics to become American citizens. But THAT is exactly what President Obama is preparing to do. This places the republicans in a bind. Should they strongly support a sweeping immigration plan (similar to what Obama is offering) OR should they dig in their heels and refuse to accept any plan Obama offers just as they have done throughout the last five years.
    I am betting that the republicans will dig in their heels and refuse to offer a plan similar to Obama's. In other words, they will once again play the obstruction card and in the process slap the people who could help them win elections in the face. And then, after losing the Hispanic vote by a wide margin in 2014, they will once again scratch their heads and ask "Why did we lose? I don't understand."
     
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    In regards to immigration....is it too much to ask to close the border first, before going any further? I mean, it was supposed to be closed after the Reagan amnesty.....right????
    I think that's the biggest hang up with immigration.

    It's hard to deal with a party who's intent is to redistribute wealth in this country.....the takers will always vote for that. Hopefully there will be enough democrats who are beginning to feel the pinch of the redistribution of wealth regarding Obamacare. People tend to be lax regarding politics until it hits home with them, then they catch on quickly.
     
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    We need a plan that 1. Makes either hard working or education seeking hispanics a chance to become citizens. 2. One that enforces our borders and 3. that fines the shit out of businesses that hires them in the future.

    The republicans need to do this before they lose as I want 2 and 3. Funding for education as education = less poverty and less poverty = less gangs.
     
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    Three reasons why the GOP will lose big in 2014:

    1) The GOP is incredibly tone-deaf regarding the way they present themselves and their positons...

    2) The media is generally quick to paint the GOP in an unfavorable light... and the GOP lately has given them plenty of ammunition...

    3) A great majority of the American people are unfortunately unable or unwilling to sort through the bullshit to find the truth... which the GOP, in its pathetically inept way, has been trying to present with little success...
     
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    Securing the border and a workable entry/exit system is needed before anything else is considered. That will be the republican focus. Once the flood gates are closed then the rest can be addressed. The senate plan is dead because it is unconstitutional, it contains revenue raising aspects in fees and fines that must originate in the house.
     
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    Not at all, OKTexas, that won't pass the Senate.

    All three components must be passed in the same bill.

    If not the reactionaries will renege on the other two, if only a close the border bill is passed first.

    The Dems and business are willing to have no bill pass because they will benefit, one at the ballot box and the other in the cash box.
     
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    You mean like the commies reneged on border security with Reagan? We can actually learn from history here and not make the same mistakes again. Security will be first with the house all else is dead until that is accomplished.
     
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    What commies in the GOP reneged on the bill, OK?

    Doesn't matter what is first in the House if it is dead in the Senate on arrival.

    Only the Dems and business win with no bill, not the GOP. Americans faith in our GOP is at historic lows.
     
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    Jakey the dems lost all credibility on security when your dear leader refused to complete the fence that the law said, the secretary WILL build, not optional and the dem congress let him get away with it. Yes both houses were controlled by dems at that time. The republicans won't make that mistake again. I've told my congressman that criminal penalties should be incorporated in any new law for any administration official that fails to follow the law. It's way past time to hold these politicians and bureaucrats accountable, maybe the threat of jail will get their attention.
     
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    I'm for a comprehensive immigration program that involves securing the border first. Of course nothing is going to happen because Obamacare is sucking out all the oxygen from other debates. Perhaps immigration reform will be discussed seriously in a couple of years but not any time soon.
     
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