One More Parasitic Industry

[Flanders]

A tip of the Hatlo Hat to Viv Forbes for the following:

The green energy twins, wind and solar, are parasitic power producers. They cannot produce continuous predictable electricity without sucking backup from their hosts -- real power plants using coal, gas, nuclear, hydro, or geothermal energy.

They start their freeloading life by attaching themselves to an electricity network built and paid for by their hosts. They seldom contribute to the capital or maintenance cost of the transmission network, and they force consumers to subsidize the feed-in price received for their unreliable output.

From day one, the green energy parasites force their hosts to support them with electricity during the frequent periods when they produce no power. At times, in cold, still weather, wind farms drain power from the network to keep the turbines from freezing.

August 19, 2013
Parasitic Power Producers
Viv Forbes

Blog: Parasitic Power Producers

I always saw the environmental movement at every level as a movement designed for parasites. I often called the education industry, and the movie industry, parasitic industries. Academia, long a parasite industry, hopes to increase their number of seats at the public trough by promoting the manmade global warming fraud.

Sorry to say, I never reduced the global warming scam to the industry parasites must create around wind & solar power. Even after parasites made billions from Solyndra and other such failures, I generally focused on the parasites rather than the industry itself. Happily, I must thank Viv Forbes for pointing out that “. . . wind and solar, are parasitic power producers.”

Prior to the manmade global warming hoax parasite industries like education only fed on tax dollars. Even Hollywood did not feed on another industry in order to produce the garbage it puts out. So a parasitic industry feeding on a private sector industry is an evolutionary leap for insatiable parasites. They will suck a private sector industry dry while they continue to absorb huge sums of tax dollar à la Solyndra-type scams.

Finally, watch for the parasite class to take credit for producing the nation’s energy just as Socialists confiscate the nation’s wealth then take credit for creating it.

 

[Old Rocks]

Well, here we have it. Clear statement of anti-education stance by a 'Conservative'. Ah yes, and posted on the internet. Guess this dumb ass thinks the internet and computers were developed by a bunch of holy roller preachers.

 

[skookerasbil]

no worries here.......






will always be a fringe energy industry.......

 

[Flanders]

Well, here we have it. Clear statement of anti-education stance by a 'Conservative'.

To Old Rocks: Your lack of reading comprehension skills is humorous for someone trying to defend the parasites in the education industry. Anti-parasite, pro Constitution, is not anti-education.

Ah yes, and posted on the internet. Guess this dumb ass thinks the internet and computers were developed by a bunch of holy roller preachers.

To Old Rocks: Only dumb suckers like you believe Al Gore invented the Internet.

 

[Flanders]

Kerry took time off from trying to kill Syrians to spout Al Gore’s mantra:

US Secretary of State John Kerry said Monday the evidence for climate change was beyond dispute but it was not too late for international action to prevent its worst impacts.

And here come da United Nations:

The plan is to then present the declaration to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon at the General Assembly meeting in New York at the end of September, "to reenergise the international community".

Climate science alarming, irrefutable: Kerry

Not only is Kerry still an America-hating traitor he wants to renew funding for global warming scams. That’s exactly what “. . . reenergise the international community". means.

The plan

Kerry’s next round of scams will give the United Nations a bigger piece of the action through UN treaties like the LOST (Law of the Sea Treaty) and Kyoto. That tops Al “Clown” Gore.

 

[ralphgrant]

I think it is important for all of us to save energy for the future.

 

[Flanders]

I think it is important for all of us to save energy for the future.

To ralphgrant: True in a laisser faire economy that easily accommodates boom and bust cycles:

laissez faire also laisser faire (noun)

1. An economic doctrine that opposes governmental regulation of or interference in commerce beyond the minimum necessary for a free-enterprise system to operate according to its own economic laws.

2. Noninterference in the affairs of others.

Not so true when they devalue the dollar to accommodate government control and the welfare state.

 

[Abraham3]

Dear Mr Flanders,

Solar and wind generators produce salable energy with zero fuel costs, very low maintenance and, of course, zero carbon footprint. Your (or Forbes') characterization of them as "freeloading" is unsupportable nonsense.

Kerry has spent most of his adult life in the service of this nation. You owe the man an apology.

What makes you think a laissez-faire economy "easily accomodates boom and bust cycles"? The processs found at each end of the swing are not self-regulating in any manner that would minimize harm to investors or to industry. A regulatory framework that dampens extremes and stabilizes capital and expenditures will - per my priorities - best accomodate boom and bust cycles. You might even think about minimizing them. OOoooh, there's an idea.

You seem to be saying that "saving energy for the future" which I take to mean Ralph thinks we should conserve energy, will lead to boom and bust cycles?

Who is the "they" whom you believe to be devaluing the dollar and why do you think their purpose is to "accommodate government control"; of what do you believe they are accommodating control and how does a devalued dollar accommodate the welfare state?

 

[Flanders]

Dear Mr Flanders,

Solar and wind generators produce salable energy with zero fuel costs, very low maintenance and, of course, zero carbon footprint. Your (or Forbes') characterization of them as "freeloading" is unsupportable nonsense.

To Abrahan3: You offer pie in the sky utopian hogwash based on nothing more than the manmade global warming hoax. And that’s without getting into government subsidies and research grants, etc. Forbes offers the following:

From OP
The green energy twins, wind and solar, are parasitic power producers. They cannot produce continuous predictable electricity without sucking backup from their hosts -- real power plants using coal, gas, nuclear, hydro, or geothermal energy.

They start their freeloading life by attaching themselves to an electricity network built and paid for by their hosts. They seldom contribute to the capital or maintenance cost of the transmission network, and they force consumers to subsidize the feed-in price received for their unreliable output.

From day one, the green energy parasites force their hosts to support them with electricity during the frequent periods when they produce no power. At times, in cold, still weather, wind farms drain power from the network to keep the turbines from freezing.

Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh over at Canada Free Press presents some facts about the global warming myth leading environmentalists will not debate and cannot dispute. The following two paragraphs stood out for me:

On being asked why he thought global warming was a scam, Coleman responded that “If you study all the papers of the IPCC on climate change, if you study everything their scientists have done, it all boils down to a claim that carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere, put there by our burning of fossil fuels, is going to turn the climate of earth into an oven, and we all are going to bake and die. That is sheer nonsense, we have been burning fossil fuels for hundreds of years and we might have raised the temperature by 1/10 of one degree.”

XXXXX​

Elite globalists like Al Gore and Maurice Strong, who have pushed the idea of global warming for a long time, actually own the carbon trading system who is supposed to protect the earth from CO2 emissions, and are going to enrich themselves from the cap and trade scheme, taking a percentage of each transaction.

Cap and Trade, Solar Power, Wind Turbines, Smart Meters, and Biofuels
Global Government Gone Wild
By Dr. Ileana Johnson Paugh Thursday, September 5, 2013

Global Government Gone Wild

The Al Gore reference indicates that manmade global warming advocates pushing the scam on the Internet also have a vested interest.

Kerry has spent most of his adult life in the service of this nation.

To Abrahan3: Kerry committed treason, and lied to Congress, after he returned from Vietnam. He spent all of those years in the Senate betraying this country to the United Nations. He’s still at it.

You owe the man an apology.

To Abrahan3: I’ll apologize when Kerry stands on one leg in Macy’s window at high noon, sticks his thumb up his rear end, and whistles Dixie.

What makes you think a laissez-faire economy "easily accomodates boom and bust cycles"?

To Abrahan3: America under laissez faire became the greatest nation the world ever saw before Socialists began managing the economy.

Incidentally, America is in the worst bust cycle since the Great Depression, only it’s a “controlled economy” bust; so it is called a downturn. And just as Socialist doctrine did not bring America out of the Great Depression Democrats will continue to make things worse this time around.

My point: Laissez faire corrects the economy without destroying the individual’s spirit as does Socialism. Nothing works better than wealth creators and their employees working for themselves. Conversely, people in Socialist paradises are forced to bow their heads and labor for the collective. Ultimately, they accept hard times as the norm. Socialists call that a solution.

The processs found at each end of the swing are not self-regulating in any manner that would minimize harm to investors or to industry. A regulatory framework that dampens extremes and stabilizes capital and expenditures will - per my priorities - best accomodate boom and bust cycles. You might even think about minimizing them. OOoooh, there's an idea.

To Abrahan3: That’s not an idea. It’s a roundabout way of saying parasites should be the regulators.

You seem to be saying that "saving energy for the future" which I take to mean Ralph thinks we should conserve energy, will lead to boom and bust cycles?

To Abrahan3: That makes no sense. You have enough to work with without guessing at what I seem to be saying.

Incidentally, human nature leads to boom and bust cycles in every economic system. Laissez faire handles them better than all the others because it provides the most freedoms to the most people.

Conserving energy is a red herring thought up by UN hustlers promoting the manmade global warming scam.

Who is the "they" whom you believe to be devaluing the dollar and why do you think their purpose is to "accommodate government control"; of what do you believe they are accommodating control and how does a devalued dollar accommodate the welfare state?

To Abrahan3: Your questions are answered many times in a slew of previous threads. You’ll have to do the research. I have not the time or patience to respond every time a liberal tries to make his case by asking questions. If you have something to say —— say it.

 

[Abraham3]

I have not the time or patience to respond every time a liberal tries to make his case by asking questions. If you have something to say —— say it.

I guess you're no fan of Socrates. But that's okay. He had some problems when he used it as well.

That solar and wind generation have no fuel costs has nothing to do with global warming - it is simply a fact. The idea that AGW is a hoax is not. Your comments about anthropogenic global warming (and those of Dr Paugh) are completely unsubstantiated assertions. There is an enormous amount of evidence that human GHG emissions are primarily responsible for the nine tenths of a degree warming we've undergone and for the several degrees to follow; enough evidence to convince the vast majority of climate scientists. Saying otherwise, without proof, reason or rationale, just don't make it so.

Forbes offers the following:

We already saw what Forbes had to say in the lead post. It was crap then and it's crap now. Solar and wind generation (as well as tidal, OTEC, geothermal and other alternative technologies) provide power with zero fuel costs.

Elite globalists like Al Gore and Maurice Strong, who have pushed the idea of global warming for a long time, actually own the carbon trading system who is supposed to protect the earth from CO2 emissions, and are going to enrich themselves from the cap and trade scheme, taking a percentage of each transaction.

"Elite globalists"?!?!? You've really got all the buzzwords, don't you. These two guys OWN the cap and trade system? I can tell you're a discriminating reasearcher. You don't believe any claim till it pushes the boundaries of common sense and logic "out of all ho". I hear Gore eats children for dinner every night and Strong is actually a woman. It's true! At least, just as true as your assertion.

Kerry committed treason and lied to Congress, after he returned from Vietnam.

Bullshit. He's an American and free to express an opinion. I strongly suspect he's done more for this nation and put himself at far greater risk than have you or I.

He spent all of those years in the Senate betraying this country to the United Nations. He’s still at it.

Then I guess you assume a majority of the population of the state of Massachusetts are traitors as well. They kept him in office for 28 years.

That's enough politics. That's not the subject of this forum. I'd be glad to discuss laissez-faire economics with you on a forum where it is the topic. But, in general, I think you need to talk to someone about a touch of paranoia. There aren't nearly as many schemes afoot as you think there are and the ones that do exist are a lot more clever than anything you and yours have piffled up here out of whole cloth. For christ's sake, man, think about some of this stuff before you lay it out for god and everyone to see.

 

[longknife]

Question - if wind power is so great, why are thousands of the monsters standing idle all across the country.

 

[Abraham3]

Question - if wind power is so great, why are thousands of the monsters standing idle all across the country.

New technology. What percentage of Model Ts are still on the road?

If it's so bad, why do so many continue to be built?

 

[longknife]

Question - if wind power is so great, why are thousands of the monsters standing idle all across the country.

New technology. What percentage of Model Ts are still on the road?

If it's so bad, why do so many continue to be built?

Because Obama and his syncophants continue to support an inefficient industry in order to destroy coal and oil.

 

[Abraham3]

Question - if wind power is so great, why are thousands of the monsters standing idle all across the country.

New technology. What percentage of Model Ts are still on the road?

If it's so bad, why do so many continue to be built?

Because Obama and his syncophants continue to support an inefficient industry in order to destroy coal and oil.

How do you believe Obama and his "syncophants" (sic) benefit from destroying coal and oil?

 

[Flanders]

I guess you're no fan of Socrates. But that's okay. He had some problems when he used it as well.

To Abrahan3: I’ve told many a liberal on eight or nine messages boards including this one, I do not engage in Socratic elenchus. As you continue to demonstrate —— liberals who cannot defend their positions always turn the Socratic method into an interrogation with them playing inquisitors; however, my primary reason for not playing stupid games with stupid people is less complicated. I say what I have to say and I expect my opposites to do the same if they insist on responding.

Know this should you decide to read and respond to my messages in the future: I do not post my opinions and interpretations for liberals. I cannot stop you from replying although I prefer that you and your kind not read my posts at all.

As for the rest of your talking points here’s where I get off:

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[Abraham3]

I guess you're no fan of Socrates. But that's okay. He had some problems when he used it as well.

To Abrahan3: I’ve told many a liberal on eight or nine messages boards including this one, I do not engage in Socratic elenchus. As you continue to demonstrate —— liberals who cannot defend their positions always turn the Socratic method into an interrogation with them playing inquisitors; however, my primary reason for not playing stupid games with stupid people is less complicated. I say what I have to say and I expect my opposites to do the same if they insist on responding.

Know this should you decide to read and respond to my messages in the future: I do not post my opinions and interpretations for liberals. I cannot stop you from replying although I prefer that you and your kind not read my posts at all.

As for the rest of your talking points here’s where I get off:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDWCb3qP5Tc&feature=player_embedded]1998 46-Foot Custom Carousel - YouTube[/ame]​

Buh-bye!

 

[mamooth]

To Abrahan3: I’ve told many a liberal on eight or nine messages boards including this one, I do not engage in Socratic elenchus.

Check it out, someone has delusions of adequacy.

Yes Flanders, across the internet, you've established that you're a chickenshit. An intellectual coward. A squealing gutless wonder. A spineless oozing thing that tries to pass itself off as a vertebrate. You toss out some idiot spew, then piss yourself and run when called on it.

So, no need to confirm that again.

By the way, loved your rant about wanting to blow up the MLK statue. It had that Unibomber-style flair to it. Is that what you were going for?

 

[Abraham3]

He's something, though, ain't he?

 

[Moonglow]

Glad to know that the Sun is parasitic in nature.

 

[Moonglow]

To Abrahan3: I’ve told many a liberal on eight or nine messages boards including this one, I do not engage in Socratic elenchus.

Check it out, someone has delusions of adequacy.

Yes Flanders, across the internet, you've established that you're a chickenshit. An intellectual coward. A squealing gutless wonder. A spineless oozing thing that tries to pass itself off as a vertebrate. You toss out some idiot spew, then piss yourself and run when called on it.

So, no need to confirm that again.

By the way, loved your rant about wanting to blow up the MLK statue. It had that Unibomber-style flair to it. Is that what you were going for?

He didn't like Socratic philosophy, but he sure loves the Cynics.