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Combine politics and economics and you get politics.

In this thread:
a. Republican Harding vs Democrat Roosevelt: Depressions.
b. Mussolini’s economic program was FDR’s New Deal
c. Crony Capitalism, or how politicians get rich
d. The real reason bureaucrats hate Trump.



1."The Great Depression (1929-39) was the deepest and longest-lasting economic downturn in the history of the Western industrialized world. In the United States, ..."The Great Depression - Facts & Summary - HISTORY.com While "The Depression" is probably the only economic downturn ever studied in government schools, few ever speak of any depressions or recessions prior to the "Great Depression."
Know how many there were?
Over thirty. And the average length was a year or so.
List of recessions in the United States - List of recessions in the United States - Wikipedia

The Great Depression was a shock to the economic system like no other. Remember, just prior to this recession, Republican free market polices led to what John Kennedy called ‘a rising tide that lifts all boats.’ The ‘Roaring Twenties.’

"After the depression [1920-1921] the United States proceeded to enjoy the “Roaring Twenties,” arguably the most prosperous decade in the country’s history. Some of this prosperity was illusory—itself the result of subsequent Fed inflation—but nonetheless the 1920–1921 depression “purged the rottenness out of the system” and provided a solid framework for sustainable growth."
The conclusion seems obvious to anyone whose mind is not firmly locked into the Keynesian or monetarist framework: The free market works.
The Depression You’ve Never Heard Of: 1920-1921 | The Freeman | Ideas On Liberty


The 1920s were an age of dramatic social and political change. For the first time, more Americans lived in cities than on farms. The nation’s total wealth more than doubled between 1920 and 1929, and this economic growth swept many Americans into an affluent but unfamiliar “consumer society.” Roaring Twenties


The 1920s earned their moniker—the "Roaring Twenties"—through the decade's real and sustained prosperity, dizzying technological advancements, and lively culture. The decade marked the flourishing of the modern mass-production, mass-consumption economy, which delivered fantastic profits to investors while also raising the living standard of the urban middle- and working-class. The 1920s Analysis | Shmoop

A tide of economic and social change swept across the country in the 1920s. Nicknames for the decade, such as “the Jazz Age” or “the Roaring Twenties,” convey something of the excitement and the changes in social conventions that were taking place at the time. As the economy boomed, wages rose for most Americans and prices fell, resulting in a higher standard of living and a dramatic increase in consumer consumption.... The American economy's phenomenal growth rate during the '20s...."



2. Note how Republican Harding solved the ’20-’21 depression, and we’ll see how Democrat FDR knew about the solution, but did the very opposite.

"America’s greatest depression fighter was Warren Gamaliel Harding. An Ohio senator when he was elected president in 1920, he followed Woodrow Wilson who got America into World War I, ...Harding inherited the mess, in particular the post-World War I depression – almost as severe, from peak to trough, as the Great Contraction from 1929 to 1933, that FDR inherited and prolonged. Richard K. Vedder and Lowell E. Gallaway, in their book Out of Work (1993), noted that the magnitude of the 1920 depression "exceeded that for the Great Depression of the following decade for several quarters." The estimated gross national product plunged 24% from $91.5 billion in 1920 to $69.6 billion in 1921. The number of unemployed people jumped from 2.1 million in 1920 to 4.9 million in 1921.

Harding had a much better understanding of how an economy works. Harding, wrote historian Robert K. Murray, in The Harding Era (1969), "always decried high taxes, government waste, and excessive governmental interference in the private sector of the economy. In February 1920, shortly after announcing his candidacy, he advocated a cut in government expenditures and stated that government ought to ‘strike the shackles from industry.’ ‘We need vastly more freedom than we do regulation,’ he said. Surprisingly, big business took very little notice of him at the time."
One of Harding’s campaign slogans was "less government in business," and it served him well. … just a year and a half after Harding became president, the Roaring 20s were underway
Harding had the depression of 1920 licked in a year and a half, but under the "progressive" FDR, the Great Depression would persisted throughout the 1930s, until FDR began conscripting millions of young men for the armed forces.
America’s Greatest Depression*Fighter by Jim Powell



Either the free market......or "You didn't build that!"

There is no separating politics and economics.
 
A good post. The free market is alive and well. It's unfortunate that decent paying jobs $30 per lhour plus, are able to be shipped overseas because the workers there don't have to be paid but a slave wage to do them. Those companies that do that to american workers who are so far and away the hardest working most productive and dedicated in the world, should be penalized.
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
 
Like the free market?

Look at rising drug prices
 
A good post. The free market is alive and well. It's unfortunate that decent paying jobs $30 per lhour plus, are able to be shipped overseas because the workers there don't have to be paid but a slave wage to do them. Those companies that do that to american workers who are so far and away the hardest working most productive and dedicated in the world, should be penalized.


Hussein Obama, the less-than-American-President, should have received that note.

1. The Obama administration had joined the new Arab-based International Renewable Energy Agency (IRENA), and agreed to provide millions to support international green energy jobs. “In its fiscal 2012 budget request for international programs, the administration has asked for $5.2 million for IRENA.”U.S. Taxpayers on the Hook As Obama Joins a New International Renewable Energy Agency | CNS News How many jobs in the United States will this endeavor provide?

2. Obama regulatory and tax policies sent jobs overseas.

3. “President Barack Obama will present his “jobs plan” on Wednesday at a company which is shipping jobs overseas…. WestStar is a high-end, specialty manufacturer that just opened a new facility in San Jose, Costa Rica — creating many new jobs there, but not in the United States.”http://test.dailycaller.com/2011/09/...to-costa-rica/




4. “This isn’t the first time Obama has chosen to speak at a North Carolina company outsourcing jobs overseas. In mid-June, Obama spoke at Cree LED Light Company to discuss his job creation and economic policies. Cree has been shipping jobs to China.” Ibid.

a. Cree was also a recipient of Obama stimulus funds, a portion of which was also used to send jobs overseas.
Limbaugh, “The Great Destroyer,” p.27.

5. “The Department of Energy estimated that 82,000 jobs have been created and has acknowledged that as much as 80 percent of some green programs, including $2.3 billion of manufacturing tax credits, went to foreign firms that employed workers primarily in countries includingChina, South Korea and Spain, rather than in the United States.” 'Green' jobs no longer golden in stimulus - Washington Times




6. WASHINGTON -- Xerox, whose CEO, Ursula Burns, is advising President Obama on exports, last week told its product engineering employees that it is in outsourcing talks with India-based IT services firm HCL Technologies. Xerox CEO, an Obama appointee, may send jobs to Indian firm - Computerworld

7. (CNSNews.com) – U.S. Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood said today that he told his daughter to buy a Japanese car--a Toyota Sienna--and that she did so. U.S. Transportation Secretary: I Told My Daughter to Buy Japanese Car | CNS News




8. “U.S. funds, Arizona effort help Mexico trucks pollute less
Using EPA grant money, the state offered to refit the trucks with the new exhaust systems, replacing factory-installed mufflers with converters similar to what is required for U.S. trucks. The process takes two or three hours to complete at a cost per truck of about $1,600…. The entire cost - parts and labor - is paid by the EPA grant through ADEQ.” U.S. funds, Arizona effort help Mexico trucks pollute less


9. “…Obama administration is now taking your American tax dollars and using them to fund the BBC World Service — Britain’s state-financed radio network.” The PJ Tatler » Your tax dollars now funding the BBC in addition to NPR

10. The Obama administration gave the defense industry the go-ahead on plans to build classic American fighter jets in India..... the Indian government to build the F-16 Fighting Falcon and the F/A-18 Super Hornet for the Indian Air Force in India, according to the Washington Post.... The deal with Lockheed could create 1,000 new jobs for India.
Read more: On Obama’s Nod, Major Defense Contractors Plan To Build Jets In India
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
Wow..


Year
Population
Labor
Force
Unemployed
Percentage of
Labor Force
1929
88,010,000
49,440,000
1,550,000
3.14
1930
89,550,000
50,080,000
4,340,000
8.67
1931
90,710,000
50,680,000
8,020,000
15.82
1932
91,810,000
51,250,000
12,060,000
23.53
1933
92,950,000
51,840,000
12,830,000
24.75
1934
94,190,000
52,490,000
11,340,000
21.60
1935
95,460,000
53,140,000
10,610,000
19.97
1936
96,700,000
53,740,000
9,030,000
16.80
1937
97,870,000
54,320,000
7,700,000
14.18
1938
99,120,000
54,950,000
10,390,000
18.91
1939
100,360,000
55,600,000
9,480,000
17.05
1940
101,560,000
56,180,000
8,120,000
14.45
1941
102,700,000
57,530,000
5,560,000
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
Wow..


Year
Population
Labor
Force
Unemployed
Percentage of
Labor Force
1929
88,010,000
49,440,000
1,550,000
3.14
1930
89,550,000
50,080,000
4,340,000
8.67
1931
90,710,000
50,680,000
8,020,000
15.82
1932
91,810,000
51,250,000
12,060,000
23.53
1933
92,950,000
51,840,000
12,830,000
24.75
1934
94,190,000
52,490,000
11,340,000
21.60
1935
95,460,000
53,140,000
10,610,000
19.97
1936
96,700,000
53,740,000
9,030,000
16.80
1937
97,870,000
54,320,000
7,700,000
14.18
1938
99,120,000
54,950,000
10,390,000
18.91
1939
100,360,000
55,600,000
9,480,000
17.05
1940
101,560,000
56,180,000
8,120,000
14.45
1941
102,700,000
57,530,000
5,560,000

When viewing FDR's personal and presidential history, one can only come away believing that he intended to use the recession.....which he made sure to become a Depression, to obviate the Constitution, and increase his power.

His envy of the dictators of the time made him plan to become one.

No one will ever learn that in government school.
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
Wow..


Year
Population
Labor
Force
Unemployed
Percentage of
Labor Force
1929
88,010,000
49,440,000
1,550,000
3.14
1930
89,550,000
50,080,000
4,340,000
8.67
1931
90,710,000
50,680,000
8,020,000
15.82
1932
91,810,000
51,250,000
12,060,000
23.53
1933
92,950,000
51,840,000
12,830,000
24.75
1934
94,190,000
52,490,000
11,340,000
21.60
1935
95,460,000
53,140,000
10,610,000
19.97
1936
96,700,000
53,740,000
9,030,000
16.80
1937
97,870,000
54,320,000
7,700,000
14.18
1938
99,120,000
54,950,000
10,390,000
18.91
1939
100,360,000
55,600,000
9,480,000
17.05
1940
101,560,000
56,180,000
8,120,000
14.45
1941
102,700,000
57,530,000
5,560,000

When viewing FDR's personal and presidential history, one can only come away believing that he intended to use the recession.....which he made sure to become a Depression, to obviate the Constitution, and increase his power.

His envy of the dictators of the time made him plan to become one.

No one will ever learn that in government school.
No kidding that fucker gave away half of Europe..

I have friends in Estonia

images (15).jpeg
 
So now you are trying to rewrite history. The Crash happened in 1929 brought on by the total release of all regulations. When FDR took over in 1933, the Nation had millions living in the streets, in tents, in cars that they couldn't afford to put gas into, under bridges, in cardboard boxes, wooden shipping crates. And there were 3 1/2 million armed WWI vets with starving, cold and miserable families that the entire Federal Government were rightfully fearful of. The Country was about half a second from a full blown Civil War where the Federal Troops would have been outnumbered and outgunned by at least 100 to one. And I doubt if the Feds could have gotten the Federal Troops to fire on those desperate Veterans. You think it's bad today, think again. The Federal Government didn't do the New Deal because it was what they would normally do. Normally, they would cater to the rich like all others before them. But due to the circumstances, they had to do something very drastic and very fast. One of my Grandfathers worked on the Million Dollar Highway project. The other was a Dairy Farmer who "Contributed" Milk, Cream and Cheese to those programs. My mother would collect coal from the coal that would fall from the coal trains along the rails so they could heat their house. My father herded Sheep (They got to keep the Sheep but the Cattle was controlled). People had to eat and work. And have incomes to just survive. Your unfettered "Capitalism" almost destroyed America and lost the United States Constitution in the process.

So you try and rewrite history. Well take a good look at today. History is repeating itself because you refuse to learn from history. Better to rewrite it and just grab what you can and say, "I got mine".
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
Wow..


Year
Population
Labor
Force
Unemployed
Percentage of
Labor Force
1929
88,010,000
49,440,000
1,550,000
3.14
1930
89,550,000
50,080,000
4,340,000
8.67
1931
90,710,000
50,680,000
8,020,000
15.82
1932
91,810,000
51,250,000
12,060,000
23.53
1933
92,950,000
51,840,000
12,830,000
24.75
1934
94,190,000
52,490,000
11,340,000
21.60
1935
95,460,000
53,140,000
10,610,000
19.97
1936
96,700,000
53,740,000
9,030,000
16.80
1937
97,870,000
54,320,000
7,700,000
14.18
1938
99,120,000
54,950,000
10,390,000
18.91
1939
100,360,000
55,600,000
9,480,000
17.05
1940
101,560,000
56,180,000
8,120,000
14.45
1941
102,700,000
57,530,000
5,560,000

When viewing FDR's personal and presidential history, one can only come away believing that he intended to use the recession.....which he made sure to become a Depression, to obviate the Constitution, and increase his power.

His envy of the dictators of the time made him plan to become one.

No one will ever learn that in government school.
No kidding that fucker gave away half of Europe..

I have friends in Estonia

View attachment 371434
The Soviet Army took half of Europe
There was nothing to give away
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII

Not true
Unemployment went up every year under Republican Hoover
Dropped under FDR
Lier, unemployment went up under the new deal, then went down with WWII just like Obama it went up after his stimulous package and I only got $400 bucks.

Read it and weep

1596629705901.png
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII


Here is an interesting visual: imagine a triple line of the unemployed, three across, consisting of those unemployed under Hoover, in 1931. The line would have gone from Los Angeles, across the country, to the border of Maine.

What effect did Roosevelt have on the line?

Well, eight years later, in 1939, the length of the line would have gone further, from the Maine border, south to Boston, then on to New York City, then to Philadelphia, on to Washington, D.C.- and finally, into Virginia.
Folsom, "New Deal or Raw Deal"


Think Folsom was wrong?

Check it out at the US Bureau of the Census, 'Historical Statistics of the United States: Colonial Times to 1970, I-126 and Unemployment Statistics during the Great Depression
Wow..


Year
Population
Labor
Force
Unemployed
Percentage of
Labor Force
1929
88,010,000
49,440,000
1,550,000
3.14
1930
89,550,000
50,080,000
4,340,000
8.67
1931
90,710,000
50,680,000
8,020,000
15.82
1932
91,810,000
51,250,000
12,060,000
23.53
1933
92,950,000
51,840,000
12,830,000
24.75
1934
94,190,000
52,490,000
11,340,000
21.60
1935
95,460,000
53,140,000
10,610,000
19.97
1936
96,700,000
53,740,000
9,030,000
16.80
1937
97,870,000
54,320,000
7,700,000
14.18
1938
99,120,000
54,950,000
10,390,000
18.91
1939
100,360,000
55,600,000
9,480,000
17.05
1940
101,560,000
56,180,000
8,120,000
14.45
1941
102,700,000
57,530,000
5,560,000

When viewing FDR's personal and presidential history, one can only come away believing that he intended to use the recession.....which he made sure to become a Depression, to obviate the Constitution, and increase his power.

His envy of the dictators of the time made him plan to become one.

No one will ever learn that in government school.
No kidding that fucker gave away half of Europe..

I have friends in Estonia

View attachment 371434
The Soviet Army took half of Europe
There was nothing to give away

Potsdam conference
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII

Not true
Unemployment went up every year under Republican Hoover
Dropped under FDR
Lier, unemployment went up under the new deal, then went down with WWII just like Obama it went up after his stimulous package and I only got $400 bucks.

Read it and weep

View attachment 371436
Can you read a fucking graph?
 
So now you are trying to rewrite history. The Crash happened in 1929 brought on by the total release of all regulations. When FDR took over in 1933, the Nation had millions living in the streets, in tents, in cars that they couldn't afford to put gas into, under bridges, in cardboard boxes, wooden shipping crates. And there were 3 1/2 million armed WWI vets with starving, cold and miserable families that the entire Federal Government were rightfully fearful of. The Country was about half a second from a full blown Civil War where the Federal Troops would have been outnumbered and outgunned by at least 100 to one. And I doubt if the Feds could have gotten the Federal Troops to fire on those desperate Veterans. You think it's bad today, think again. The Federal Government didn't do the New Deal because it was what they would normally do. Normally, they would cater to the rich like all others before them. But due to the circumstances, they had to do something very drastic and very fast. One of my Grandfathers worked on the Million Dollar Highway project. The other was a Dairy Farmer who "Contributed" Milk, Cream and Cheese to those programs. My mother would collect coal from the coal that would fall from the coal trains along the rails so they could heat their house. My father herded Sheep (They got to keep the Sheep but the Cattle was controlled). People had to eat and work. And have incomes to just survive. Your unfettered "Capitalism" almost destroyed America and lost the United States Constitution in the process.

So you try and rewrite history. Well take a good look at today. History is repeating itself because you refuse to learn from history. Better to rewrite it and just grab what you can and say, "I got mine".


Time for you to learn the truth: it was the Democrat Depression.

The Depression was the result of FDR's intentions.
He knew that Republican Harding had defeated a similar recession in short order, so he did the very opposite.



1. The basis of FDR's 1932 campaign to win the presidency from Herbert Hoover was his emphatic promise to the suffering American people, that he would balance the budget. Of course, he also promised that he would use the government to create jobs, and that they "had a right to a comfortable living."






2. Roosevelt went further! The cause: "It arises from one cause only and that is the unbalanced budget at he continued failure of this administration to take effective steps to balance it!

If that budget had been fully and honestly balanced in 1930, some of the 1931 troubles would have been avoided. Even if it had been balanced in 1931, much of the extreme dip in 1932 would have been obviated. Every financial man in the country knows why this is true." http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/?pid=88399



a. And this: "... carrying out the plain precept of our Party, which is to reduce the cost of current Federal Government operations by 25 percent." Ibid.



FDR's promises!!!



And.....the very same plan that Harding used to tame an earlier upheaval.

And it worked.





3. ....to begin with, in March of 1933, he didn't fill his cabinet with persons committed to a balanced budget. A pretty much poke 'in your eye.'

Nah....instead the bunch put together the huge spending and administrative expansion of his first hundred day, Douglas knew the real deal.

. Roosevelt expanded the federal government and ran up deficits much greater than those of Hoover.
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII

Not true
Unemployment went up every year under Republican Hoover
Dropped under FDR
Lier, unemployment went up under the new deal, then went down with WWII just like Obama it went up after his stimulous package and I only got $400 bucks.



That one is the most prodigious liar on the board.
 
What happened with Hoover?
He fought the Depression for three years and it got worse
Unemployment went up with FDR not down until WWII

Not true
Unemployment went up every year under Republican Hoover
Dropped under FDR
Lier, unemployment went up under the new deal, then went down with WWII just like Obama it went up after his stimulous package and I only got $400 bucks.

Read it and weep

View attachment 371436
Can you read a fucking graph?
Proved you wrong didn’t it.

Showed it going UP every year under Republican policies and down under FDR
 

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