One in eight. Eliminating employer health care plans

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    One in eight small businesses get insurance cancellations after ObamaCare passage


    One in eight small businesses get insurance cancellations after ObamaCare passage « Hot Air
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    Pretty much the same rate of decline of employer health care coverage as when Bush was president and before Health Care Reform.
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    I wonder what that number would be without all the waivers?
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    How many had health care plans before Obama? And don't say "All of them".
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    Are you a complete idiot?

    Never mind, I know the answer.

    This was a survey of businesses with health insurance what they are doing as a result of Obamacare. That means that all of them had insurance before, and 12% of them eliminated it because of the new costs.
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    Which is really what needs to happen. This has been in the cards for a long time, and while it may be painful, it could point us toward a real solution. Pushing us all into dependency on our employers for our health care was a horrible idea in the first place, and in general, the low deductible, high premium insurance policy just isn't viable.

    But what you're missing is that Obamacare is actually intent on reversing this trend. It's designed to keep people dependent on their employers - or better yet (from the state's point of view) the government - for the most crucial need they have, their very health.

    Health care 'reform', like pretty much any government agenda these days, is about controlling people first and foremost. The insurance industry lobbied vigorously to be 'at the table' and in on whatever the state cooks up. But the last priority is the welfare (and most especially, the freedom) of the average citizen. We are pawns in their corporatist game and little more.
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    The health insurance companies will be out of buisness if Obama gets his way.:eusa_whistle:
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    I suppose neither of us knows his personal intent for sure, but his actions as president speak pretty clearly. He's bent over backwards to keep the health insurance companies in business - and to keep them inserted as middlemen in every single health care transaction. The individual mandate actually expands their control over health care delivery making it illegal for us to refuse to purchase their 'service'.

    The notion that Obamacare is an attack on the health insurance industry is ludicrous. It's a bailout, and a 'merger' between the insurance industry and the federal government. The interests of 'the people' have been traded away in effecting that deal. Worse, we've furthered the establishment of corporatism as our national charter.
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    You can think of anyway you want, but the fact is if insurance companies can't make money is health care Buisness, they just get out of the business. They won't be able to make money with all the new mandates coming down the pike
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    Shit.

    Was just about the post that.
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    Funny Jroc..you didn't post shit about companies removing other benefits. Like Pensions. Obamacare again?

    Now that Unions have been smashed..look forward to low wages and no benefits.
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    That is going to change very quickly. So you guys should just ignore the effects and wave the pom poms.

    Business and health-care reform: Unfortunate side-effects | The Economist
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    They will just not be able to make as much money.
    They along with everyone else must learn to live with less.
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    And no bathroom breaks....
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    I don't have the time to read the whole thing carefully right now, but the NFIB survey says:

    Not quite as alarmist as the PR.
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    It also looks like they're rather excited about the new possibilities offered by the SHOP exchanges (without explicitly saying that):

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    "The health insurance companies will be out of buisness if Obama gets his way."

    Good. You pay in premium after premium and when you have a claim they have the right to sit down and deny you. What's the point? When you get old they dont want you anymore so this country CANNOT say they value life. If you value life, you TAKE CARE of your SENIORS and your NEWBORNS otherwise dont say you value life. Hypocrites.
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    Maybe just maybe you should read your coverage. :lol::lol:
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    I say STICK it to the insurance companies. I am fine with No obama care but the system we have now ISNT WORKING except if you are a wealthy elitist person. Prices need to come down. Good bye insurance companies. Join the unemployment lines.
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    I understand the frustration.

    However if the insurance was allowed to act like insurance it would not cost so much.

    But we insist it cover this, it cover that etc etc.

    The dem plan AKA obumblecare makes it worse. Why do think all those waivers to cronies are being handed out. To hide the fact that 300% premium increases would be necessary.

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