SavannahMann
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In our constitution, you can not be deprived of life, liberty, or freedom without due process of law.
What if it wasn’t the Second Amendment we were talking about. What if it was the First? Let’s wonder what would happen if you were not allowed to speak because you were on a secret list. No one went to a Judge, they just decided you were on a list because of whatever reason they felt like. Perhaps your name was similar to one that was a suspected terrorist, or perhaps you said something someone did not like.
Well you could appeal, you could hire a lawyer and hope to find the truth. But you don’t have the right to an attorney, because you are on that list. You don’t have a right to your day in court, you are on a list.
Due process of law is the mechanism we use to deny people their rights. A person is not just declared incompetent because a daughter, husband, friend, or random acquaintance says so. There is a process to be followed. A process that seeks to determine the truth, and apply a wise judgement.
Due process of law allows for all the things you want to do. But you have to go through the process. You can’t take away the rights, and then decide that if they meet some administrative standard, then you will reconsider. That is an abomination of our system.
Due process of law first, and then the loss of life, liberty, freedom, or property. Due process first.
IF you want to determine that someone is in fact, insane. It isn’t the judgement call of some social worker, it is a legal determination, with far reaching consequences. That determination deserves the day in court, or at least a hearing to allow the accused to present evidence on their own behalf.
Otherwise who gets to decide? Would you allow me to decide who is crazy? I’m not a Psychiatrist. I am not a legal expert. I have no training in either field. Yet, the people you want making that determination are no more qualified than I to make it.
I had a discussion with a friend about what God wants or what God would think. I told him I had two truths in my heart. One, There is a God. Two, I’m not God. I don’t want the religion where I am the one deciding things. I don’t want to be the one who decides who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. I also don’t want a world where I decide who is allowed to have rights, and who isn’t. I am arrogant, certainly. I am not so arrogant that I feel comfortable being the one voice who decides such things.
I will state my opinion, but it is one voice among many. It is one opinion among many. When serving on a Jury, I am one vote, among the others. Perhaps I can carry the day with my opinion, and perhaps I can change mine in the face of other arguments.
I swore an oath once, actually more than once, but you get the point. I swore an oath to support and defend the Constituion. That meant all of it. Not just the parts I agreed with. It meant every single section. You disagree with the Supreme Court on the decision about Heller, and the money in politics argument. I disagree with their decision on Kelo, and others. It is my opinion, and like everyone I have an opinion on somethings, and not on other issues.
Due process of law is one of those things I have a very strong opinion on. I am always opposed to Civil Asset Forfeiture. I believe it is an abomination. I am always opposed to restricting rights of the citizens. As for free speech, my answer is an old one. I may disagree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it.
I will always argue against depriving anyone of their life, freedom, or property without that due process. Always.
What if it wasn’t the Second Amendment we were talking about. What if it was the First? Let’s wonder what would happen if you were not allowed to speak because you were on a secret list. No one went to a Judge, they just decided you were on a list because of whatever reason they felt like. Perhaps your name was similar to one that was a suspected terrorist, or perhaps you said something someone did not like.
Well you could appeal, you could hire a lawyer and hope to find the truth. But you don’t have the right to an attorney, because you are on that list. You don’t have a right to your day in court, you are on a list.
Due process of law is the mechanism we use to deny people their rights. A person is not just declared incompetent because a daughter, husband, friend, or random acquaintance says so. There is a process to be followed. A process that seeks to determine the truth, and apply a wise judgement.
Due process of law allows for all the things you want to do. But you have to go through the process. You can’t take away the rights, and then decide that if they meet some administrative standard, then you will reconsider. That is an abomination of our system.
Due process of law first, and then the loss of life, liberty, freedom, or property. Due process first.
IF you want to determine that someone is in fact, insane. It isn’t the judgement call of some social worker, it is a legal determination, with far reaching consequences. That determination deserves the day in court, or at least a hearing to allow the accused to present evidence on their own behalf.
Otherwise who gets to decide? Would you allow me to decide who is crazy? I’m not a Psychiatrist. I am not a legal expert. I have no training in either field. Yet, the people you want making that determination are no more qualified than I to make it.
I had a discussion with a friend about what God wants or what God would think. I told him I had two truths in my heart. One, There is a God. Two, I’m not God. I don’t want the religion where I am the one deciding things. I don’t want to be the one who decides who goes to hell and who goes to heaven. I also don’t want a world where I decide who is allowed to have rights, and who isn’t. I am arrogant, certainly. I am not so arrogant that I feel comfortable being the one voice who decides such things.
I will state my opinion, but it is one voice among many. It is one opinion among many. When serving on a Jury, I am one vote, among the others. Perhaps I can carry the day with my opinion, and perhaps I can change mine in the face of other arguments.
I swore an oath once, actually more than once, but you get the point. I swore an oath to support and defend the Constituion. That meant all of it. Not just the parts I agreed with. It meant every single section. You disagree with the Supreme Court on the decision about Heller, and the money in politics argument. I disagree with their decision on Kelo, and others. It is my opinion, and like everyone I have an opinion on somethings, and not on other issues.
Due process of law is one of those things I have a very strong opinion on. I am always opposed to Civil Asset Forfeiture. I believe it is an abomination. I am always opposed to restricting rights of the citizens. As for free speech, my answer is an old one. I may disagree with what you say, but I would fight to the death for your right to say it.
I will always argue against depriving anyone of their life, freedom, or property without that due process. Always.