On the Protection of Embryonic Life

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    I made a little inquiry to Cesspoolie earlier, and I thought it might make an interesting question to pose to the general posters here.

    "I can't imagine what ethical ground Bush could have claimed for his fervent mentions of the protection of human embryos. Millions of embryos die in the United States each year as a result of natural processes. Since Bush claims that the protection of human embryos is such a critical priority, why did he never devote federal funds to research of this phenomenon, so that he might end this apparent genocide?"

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    When I say I want to be free from the influence of religion, this is exactly on point.
     
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    Thoughts about Bush? I'd rather forget all about him.

    Thoughts about using embryos for research, that's an interesting topic. Lots of ethical dilemmas in that.

    Yet we allow a possibly mentall illy woman to have in vitro implantation of eight embryos and give birth to all eight even though she already has six other children.

    The doctors were doing a research study, and she was a willing participant. No one considered the moral consequences of 14 children being cared for by a single mentally ill woman with very little support financially, socially or emotionally.
     
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    If you remove religion from the embryonic research issue I think the ethical dilemmas disappear. But I'd be happy to acknowledge any that actually do exist of course.

    The woman having the babies - I haven't kept up I'm afraid. If she is mentally ill and allowed to participate in a programme then something's badly wrong there.
     
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    The lack of responses is telling. If there were a mass plague or epidemic that wiped out large parts of the human adult population, disease prevention would be one of the most critical components of any policy plans. The fact that anti-abortionists have apparently never considered the issue of embryos that die spontaneously indicates that they apparently don't consider embryonic human life to be equivalent to self-aware human life.
     
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    1. YOU do not know that she is mentally ill, you have taken what her mom said about her and diagnosed her as mentally ill, ALL ON YOUR OWN.

    2. JUST because it is not your choice to be a mother of 14 and not your destiny to be a mother of 14 does not mean that YOU have the right to make certain that no one else does.

    you can argue that she just must be mentally ill and you can argue that you think she couldn't possibly be able to take care of all of these children as a single mother yah dee dah, when YOU have NO IDEA what so ever if that is true...

    but in the end....you are not the "Decider" on someone else's personal affairs and I don't believe you want others to be the "Decider" on your own personal affairs.

    What is the obsession with this woman that brings out the vile side of people? Do you know? Interesting, similar response on a lot of people....

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    on the frozen fertilized eggs, i have no problem with them being discarded by some, adopted by others or whatever...to me, the fertilized egg has not attached to the uterus...conception takes place when the fertilized egg attaches to the uterus imo....ONLY THEN is a child to be, conceived.

    the fertilized egg before being implanted in the uterus, is only potentially a human's life.,,,happens all the time naturally and many fertilized eggs never implant themselves in the uterus and just flush themselves out.....and a pregnancy never takes place, conception never takes place.
     
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    I didn't say anything about frozen fertilized eggs. I'm referring to actively existing embryos that spontaneously die. Many pregnancies end in this manner.
     
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    yes they do.... women spontaneously abort quite often, within the first 3 months of pregnancy but primarily within the first few weeks naturally for many various reasons all resulting in the woman's body not being ''ready'' to carry a child.

    there is already research done on this...as example, high or low testosterone levels can cause this....thus they monitor such and shoot you with hormone accordingly...if you are trying to have a child.
     
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    That part of the quote is the "key" to the debate in my estimation.

    Natural process versus "man helped" or "man inspired" or "manmade", is the question or the ethics dilemma. It's "man's hand/help", that does not result in a "natural process" of death, but precipitates it ahead of natural timing.

    From my Christian/biblical perspective, it is "interference" in the natural timing or process of Creative intelligence or authorship.

    Also keep in mind, that those who hold to a "Creative" God, aspect, ultimately see or perceive life as not a result of coming from primordial soup, and thus, just a more complex organic based molecule or molecular structure that is self-sustaining.

    They(religious/Christians, ect.) perceive from their philosophical/religious foundation that "life" is unique from non-self sustaining(replicating) complex molecular structures.

    At the base or bottom of this debate is the most abused word, "faith". Faith in a Creator or ultimate source of life, or the energy that sustains or maintains life, is at issue.
     

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