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How is it more expensive to execute them? I think it's about 30-40 grand per inmate and eath row guys would certainly be more. That's a better argument to streamline executions. Or bring back the good ole rope. They had that down to a fine science long ago.Yes, the death penalty prevents the person from killing again, but it is far, far more expensive to go through the process to execution than to house them for a life time.
Instinctively, I oppose capital punishment because, as a soldier a long time ago, I learned the finality of death.
However, while only God can judge the moral stance of an individual, man judges behavior. Philosophically, a rehabilitated, good person can be executed in atonement for her or her crime.
I will leave this to the leges and the public will.
I don't see what military experience has to do with the realizations of life and death. And yes, judging behavior is all I care about, I have no interest if they feel guilty or not.
The same people who whine about the death penalty which has been upheld by the Supreme court seem fine with the federal government ordering the execution American citizens by drone without due process.
National policy cannot be strangled and its rightful activities brought to a standstill because of the remote - and in this case, extremely remote - possibility that some innocent person might die.
Any time government does ANYTHING, there is that possibility.
National policy cannot be strangled and its rightful activities brought to a standstill because of the remote - and in this case, extremely remote - possibility that some innocent person might die.
Any time government does ANYTHING, there is that possibility.
10 Convicts Presumed Innocent After Execution - Listverse
Not remote at all. Easy to find by Googling.
Regards from Rosie
LUDICROUS! It is far more expensive to dust somebody, that to house them and feed them, and provide medical/dental care to them for 50+ years ? Whaaaat ??Yes, the death penalty prevents the person from killing again, but it is far, far more expensive to go through the process to execution than to house them for a life time.
Instinctively, I oppose capital punishment because, as a soldier a long time ago, I learned the finality of death.
However, while only God can judge the moral stance of an individual, man judges behavior. Philosophically, a rehabilitated, good person can be executed in atonement for her or her crime.
I will leave this to the leges and the public will.
If a proven killer is convicted, and a year later is convicted again in an appeal trial, and then executed shortly afterward, how is that more expensive, than housing them for life ? (which could be as much as 80 years)The expense of getting to be able to execute in our system is, yes, far more expensive than housing them for life.
Is that ludicrous? Perhaps, but that is the reality of it.
The death penalty serves three rightful and lawful purposes: 1. deterrence as in most will rethink ever committing a murder; 2. specific deterrence as in they won't be around to murder ANYONE ever again, and 3. Society has a right to seek a moral judgment on certain crimes so heinous that execution is the appropriate action for such a crime. If a potential murderer refuses to think ahead about the consequences of their acts then Society will have to step in and do that thinking for them and hand out the consequence to them whether they like it or not. They should have thought about it first. That is the cost of being a narcissistic, murderous sociopath! There is no use in going over Shawna's ridiculous and illogical arguments. She certainly didn't give a care in the world to planning and executing a child, her father, and nearly executing her mother. Secondly, if she wants to talk about torture she can think about the torture the mother is living with right now, the mother who saw the face of her INNOCENT baby shot off of her head and the sight of her executed husband laying on the ground. That child was a human, the father was a human. It appears that Shawna only cares about her own humanity now that SOCIETY has judged her evil acts. Lastly, the Bible is very clear: Heinous murder deserves the death penalty. Here is just one Scripture, "Genesis 9:6 says, "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man." Shawna talks about being a human. Yes, even she sees the value of her own humanity but didn't see the value of the humanity of others. The death penalty is an appropriate sentence for the few who are so heinous, evil, and inhumane in their acts. Not all murders are the same so don't make unequal things equal. The Bible makes it clear that accidental deaths are not the same as planned out murder. FOR MONEY: Shawna Forde conspired to murder and then carried out her diabolical plans and she got the RIGHTFUL sentence for that action.On Execution
by Shawna Forde, Arizona Death Row
transcribed and edited by Emily Nghiem
As a leading nation, we are progressive in most ideals, compassionate with vested interest in humanity. We adhere to our Justice System as the best. However, there is still one issue that holds us hostage to the Dark Ages: Execution.
If we continue to execute, we will not move in the direction of an advanced society. In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act which causes a great divide among its citizens over moral righteousness and true Justice. The Greatest Deception to our citizens is the Death Penalty.
If we are to change the fabric of our communities, we must work from the bottom to secure a strong foundation of this great nation; and, Ladies and Gentlemen, the Death Penalty as at our rock bottom.
Justice should never be about revenge. It degrades our morality. We must strive for human excellence in all aspects of our nation.
Thus, I will address key issues that all States should consider in our
conversations regarding the Death Penalty:
(1). The Death Penalty does not deter or impact reduction in violent crimes.
It is applied too inconsistently to be an effective deterrent:
(A). Out of ten people charged with exactly the same crime, nine will get
Life, while one gets Death.
(B). Prosecutors receive bonus payment for Death Penalty convictions. They have absolute power with zero accountability and often misuse it as a negotiating tactic. 98% of cases are pleaded out.
(C). The Death Penalty is supposed to be reserved for the "worst of the worst," but instead the "worst of the worst" are in General Population. Gary Ridgeway the "Green River Killer" killed 46 and got Life.
(2). Too many convicts were condemned based on circumstantial evidence,
not hard proof, and unfair trials.
(A). Over 135 have been released from Death Row, having been found innocent.
(B). Hundreds more have had sentences commuted. Statistics show that
50 percent leave Death Row without being executed. Let's not forget WM3.org
(C). Do we, as a just society, turn our backs on the victims of Death Row?
Isn't one innocent person enough to Abolish this Penalty? There have been
Hundreds proven innocent, and still it's unknown how many were murdered
before DNA testing? How many more will be murdered by our system?
(3). The cost of a Death Penalty case, from start to finish, can easily
run in the millions, creating added burdens on victims and society.
(A). This prevents economic stability, where resources could be invested in
sustainable community development instead of special housing and fighting appeals.
(B). Victims and survivors of violent crimes are forced to relive them over and over in a lengthy appeals process, exploited by the media because it involves the "Death Penalty."
(4). REFORM
The Death Penalty should not be used as a scare tactic to get a
conviction, nor be used for revenge. Such abuses prevent equal justice for all. Instead,
(A). There should be One set standard for All.
(B). By inmates working, victims can benefit more from receiving a percentage
of a person's income, that can be placed in a victim's fund.
(C). Victim impact programs can be set up to promote education, understanding,
healing, teaching and learning from one another's experiences.
First, we must Abolish the Death Penalty, then move forward with
a completely Reformed approach to our system of Justice.
(5). HUMANITY
Each person condemned to die receives three sentences:
Death, Time, and Torture. Convicts condemned by trial are then condemned by the Department of Corrections, "condemned for being condemned." Then placed on Death Row for up to 25 years.
(A). Solitary Confinement is a form of torture that forces profound human change. A lonely silence, a great void between nowhere and goodbye, it is a well-documented torture. By this dehumanization process as extra punishment, all of us in society are affected by this inhumane treatment.
(B). Mental and physical health are depleted, and thus become more costly for Death Row inmates to receive medications and treatment. Being locked up for 23 hours a day, in a small cell with no human contact -- ever -- for years, is insane and deplorable.
(C). Sadly, before many people are executed, they have become a totally different person, thus showing rehabilitation is possible. Many walk in faith, with high standards and other redeeming qualities. Killing them no longer serves its intended purpose, and instead becomes another tragic loss.
(6). CLOSING STATEMENT
We cannot forget that people on Death Row are human beings, mothers and fathers, a sister or brother, a friend or teacher, even a child or peer to someone. Our treatment and penalty given to them affects society as a whole. The threads that bind us all are our connection with Life, not bound by time, space or action, but neither are they irreparable. Indeed these bonds never break; they are our legacy. When we let go of who we are, then we become who we might be. Change is needed; and Abolishing the Death Penalty is part of that needed change.
-- Shawna Forde, Arizona Death Row
Please write to Shawna, and let her know how she can help Abolish the Death Penalty and Reform Criminal Justice.
Shawna Forde, ADC # 260830
Perryville Complex, Lumly Unit
PO BOX 3300
Goodyear AZ 85395
Look at the insanity of liberals. If a convicted killer, after one appeal trial, is executed just 2 years after the first conviction, how in the world is that more expensive than room/board/medical housing the creep for 60 years ? Liberals are woke-joke.The expense of getting to be able to execute in our system is, yes, far more expensive than housing them for life.
Is that ludicrous? Perhaps, but that is the reality of it.
Welcome to the forum. You may want to space your sentences out into seperated paragraphs though, ..or people won't read them.The death penalty serves three rightful and lawful purposes: 1. deterrence as in most will rethink ever committing a murder; 2. specific deterrence as in they won't be around to murder ANYONE ever again, and 3. Society has a right to seek a moral judgment on certain crimes so heinous that execution is the appropriate action for such a crime. If a potential murderer refuses to think ahead about the consequences of their acts then Society will have to step in and do that thinking for them and hand out the consequence to them whether they like it or not. They should have thought about it first. That is the cost of being a narcissistic, murderous sociopath! There is no use in going over Shawna's ridiculous and illogical arguments. She certainly didn't give a care in the world to planning and executing a child, her father, and nearly executing her mother. Secondly, if she wants to talk about torture she can think about the torture the mother is living with right now, the mother who saw the face of her INNOCENT baby shot off of her head and the sight of her executed husband laying on the ground. That child was a human, the father was a human. It appears that Shawna only cares about her own humanity now that SOCIETY has judged her evil acts. Lastly, the Bible is very clear: Heinous murder deserves the death penalty. Here is just one Scripture, "Genesis 9:6 says, "Whoever sheds the blood of man, by man shall his blood be shed; for in the image of God has God made man." Shawna talks about being a human. Yes, even she sees the value of her own humanity but didn't see the value of the humanity of others. The death penalty is an appropriate sentence for the few who are so heinous, evil, and inhumane in their acts. Not all murders are the same so don't make unequal things equal. The Bible makes it clear that accidental deaths are not the same as planned out murder. FOR MONEY: Shawna Forde conspired to murder and then carried out her diabolical plans and she got the RIGHTFUL sentence for that action.
