Ohio Man Fatally Shoots Teen Son He Mistook for an Intruder

[2aguy]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

So why would anyone be so paranoid that they shoot their own son? Statistically the chance of that person being somebody there to murder him is pretty much nil.

I never claimed gun owners were perfect. But you are more likely to die at the hands of a doctor than a gun. And by a lot. How about working on getting the deaths due to doctors down to the gun accident rate and then we can talk about the gun accident rate. M'kay....

The gun rate is unique to this country. Most people will die without a doctor also. I don't know anyone who ever died from not having a gun.

You didn't answer my question. Why the heck would anyone be so scared they end up shooting their own son?

There are thousands of people murdered each year who died because they didn't have a gun to stop it….like the woman in New Jersey waiting to get her gun permit from the anti gun sherif…she was stabbed to death on her driveway….or the woman in Wisconsin who didn't have a gun…and her husband used a hatchet to murder her…..

You have no basis for that claim. At most you have a handful of examples that might have been saved. Don't forget many killed were armed,

And most were unarmed…and those with arms stopped violent criminal attack 1.5 million times…according to bill clinton…..Presidential rapist and sexual predator.

 

[2aguy]

And then there are the times...1.5 million that they aren't friends or family, but rapists, robbers and murderers............

an accident is more likely to kill you in a car than having a gun in the home.

There are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year and murder is tiny fraction of percent of them.

Lie……please show that stat of reported crimes. The crimes that are stopped before they happen do not become crimes. 1.5 million are stopped each year by people with guns, according to bill clinton.

You are again ignoring crime rate. Crime is down over 30% since Bill. Your number is obviously false.

Nope…..there are more Americans with guns…than ever before….13 million people carrying guns for self defense…so more people are out and about and able to resist crimes they would have been victims of in the past…..

Idiot there are fewer crimes attempted. Wow you love to live in fantasy land.

Twit…..you are the delusional one….

 

[Brain357]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

So why would anyone be so paranoid that they shoot their own son? Statistically the chance of that person being somebody there to murder him is pretty much nil.

Is he a victim of the self defense industry that needs to make everyone think they are in great danger to sell their products?

Except for the 1.5 million times a year, according to bill clinton, when it isn't nil….on top of your 1.2 million actual reported times it isn't nil…..

Nobody claims 1.5 million lives saved. You are obviously lying. There are only like 14,000 murders. The most lives that could possible be saved is some small percent of 14,000.

And yes that intruder you imagine is far more likely to be somebody who doesn't mean you harm.

I say 1.5 million violent crimes stopped and lives saved……every time there is a violent encounter there is a chance that the victim will be killed….everytime a gun is used to stop the encounter a life is potentially saved….or many lives…..did you trip and hit your head again?

With 1.5 million violent crimes stopped the percentage of lives saved would be greater than the total number of murders….

There is only 14,000 murders each year. You realize your dangerous everyone is in danger and needs a gun preaching may have killed this boy right?

We are all very safe.

 

[2aguy]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

So why would anyone be so paranoid that they shoot their own son? Statistically the chance of that person being somebody there to murder him is pretty much nil.

Is he a victim of the self defense industry that needs to make everyone think they are in great danger to sell their products?

Except for the 1.5 million times a year, according to bill clinton, when it isn't nil….on top of your 1.2 million actual reported times it isn't nil…..

Nobody claims 1.5 million lives saved. You are obviously lying. There are only like 14,000 murders. The most lives that could possible be saved is some small percent of 14,000.

And yes that intruder you imagine is far more likely to be somebody who doesn't mean you harm.

I say 1.5 million violent crimes stopped and lives saved……every time there is a violent encounter there is a chance that the victim will be killed….everytime a gun is used to stop the encounter a life is potentially saved….or many lives…..did you trip and hit your head again?

With 1.5 million violent crimes stopped the percentage of lives saved would be greater than the total number of murders….

There is only 14,000 murders each year. You realize your dangerous everyone is in danger and needs a gun preaching may have killed this boy right?

We are all very safe.

Well…fuck you brain…it is your support of gun free zones that kills so many people each year...

 

[Brain357]

There are only 1.2 million violent crimes each year and murder is tiny fraction of percent of them.

Lie……please show that stat of reported crimes. The crimes that are stopped before they happen do not become crimes. 1.5 million are stopped each year by people with guns, according to bill clinton.

You are again ignoring crime rate. Crime is down over 30% since Bill. Your number is obviously false.

Nope…..there are more Americans with guns…than ever before….13 million people carrying guns for self defense…so more people are out and about and able to resist crimes they would have been victims of in the past…..

Idiot there are fewer crimes attempted. Wow you love to live in fantasy land.

Twit…..you are the delusional one….

You are the one preaching about imaginary defenses. Your 1.5 is not and never was real. They are extrapolations from tiny surveys.

 

[2aguy]

Lie……please show that stat of reported crimes. The crimes that are stopped before they happen do not become crimes. 1.5 million are stopped each year by people with guns, according to bill clinton.

You are again ignoring crime rate. Crime is down over 30% since Bill. Your number is obviously false.

Nope…..there are more Americans with guns…than ever before….13 million people carrying guns for self defense…so more people are out and about and able to resist crimes they would have been victims of in the past…..

Idiot there are fewer crimes attempted. Wow you love to live in fantasy land.

Twit…..you are the delusional one….

You are the one preaching about imaginary defenses. Your 1.5 is not and never was real. They are extrapolations from tiny surveys.

Nope…actual research by trained professionals, hired by bill clinton to debunk Gary Kleck's work….and they got screwed………the results came in way too high……too many Americans actually use guns to stop crime and they couldn't hide it….

 

[Brain357]

So why would anyone be so paranoid that they shoot their own son? Statistically the chance of that person being somebody there to murder him is pretty much nil.

Is he a victim of the self defense industry that needs to make everyone think they are in great danger to sell their products?

Except for the 1.5 million times a year, according to bill clinton, when it isn't nil….on top of your 1.2 million actual reported times it isn't nil…..

Nobody claims 1.5 million lives saved. You are obviously lying. There are only like 14,000 murders. The most lives that could possible be saved is some small percent of 14,000.

And yes that intruder you imagine is far more likely to be somebody who doesn't mean you harm.

I say 1.5 million violent crimes stopped and lives saved……every time there is a violent encounter there is a chance that the victim will be killed….everytime a gun is used to stop the encounter a life is potentially saved….or many lives…..did you trip and hit your head again?

With 1.5 million violent crimes stopped the percentage of lives saved would be greater than the total number of murders….

There is only 14,000 murders each year. You realize your dangerous everyone is in danger and needs a gun preaching may have killed this boy right?

We are all very safe.

Well…fuck you brain…it is your support of gun free zones that kills so many people each year...

Or is it saving lots of people from being accidently shot? More are killed accidently than in gun free zones.

 

[Brain357]

You are again ignoring crime rate. Crime is down over 30% since Bill. Your number is obviously false.

Nope…..there are more Americans with guns…than ever before….13 million people carrying guns for self defense…so more people are out and about and able to resist crimes they would have been victims of in the past…..

Idiot there are fewer crimes attempted. Wow you love to live in fantasy land.

Twit…..you are the delusional one….

You are the one preaching about imaginary defenses. Your 1.5 is not and never was real. They are extrapolations from tiny surveys.

Nope…actual research by trained professionals, hired by bill clinton to debunk Gary Kleck's work….and they got screwed………the results came in way too high……too many Americans actually use guns to stop crime and they couldn't hide it….

And those numbers don't represent anything real. Just bad math.

 

[Brain357]

So why would anyone be so paranoid that they shoot their own son? Statistically the chance of that person being somebody there to murder him is pretty much nil.

I never claimed gun owners were perfect. But you are more likely to die at the hands of a doctor than a gun. And by a lot. How about working on getting the deaths due to doctors down to the gun accident rate and then we can talk about the gun accident rate. M'kay....

The gun rate is unique to this country. Most people will die without a doctor also. I don't know anyone who ever died from not having a gun.

You didn't answer my question. Why the heck would anyone be so scared they end up shooting their own son?

There are thousands of people murdered each year who died because they didn't have a gun to stop it….like the woman in New Jersey waiting to get her gun permit from the anti gun sherif…she was stabbed to death on her driveway….or the woman in Wisconsin who didn't have a gun…and her husband used a hatchet to murder her…..

You have no basis for that claim. At most you have a handful of examples that might have been saved. Don't forget many killed were armed,

And most were unarmed…and those with arms stopped violent criminal attack 1.5 million times…according to bill clinton…..Presidential rapist and sexual predator.

What is your basis for most were unarmed? Many are criminal on criminal and I would think both were armed. And then there are armed citizens killed in lawful defenses. And in the vast majority where the killer is somebody close I doubt they would let the victim use a gun so being armed wouldn't save them.

 

[westwall]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

Yes other countries have those also. Here you are however like 500% more likely to be shot and killed accidently than any other civilized country.

Only because they are small. When you look at Europe as a whole (thus you are comparing population sizes that are actually close) you find that the rates are the almost the same and that the mass shootings in Europe are actually far worse than here in the USA. You are wrong yet again.

 

[Brain357]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

Yes other countries have those also. Here you are however like 500% more likely to be shot and killed accidently than any other civilized country.

Only because they are small. When you look at Europe as a whole (thus you are comparing population sizes that are actually close) you find that the rates are the almost the same and that the mass shootings in Europe are actually far worse than here in the USA. You are wrong yet again.

We are talking about accidental firearm deaths. There are practically none in all of Europe combined. What are you talking about?

 

[westwall]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

Yes other countries have those also. Here you are however like 500% more likely to be shot and killed accidently than any other civilized country.

Only because they are small. When you look at Europe as a whole (thus you are comparing population sizes that are actually close) you find that the rates are the almost the same and that the mass shootings in Europe are actually far worse than here in the USA. You are wrong yet again.

We are talking about accidental firearm deaths. There are practically none in all of Europe combined. What are you talking about?

The number of firearms deaths due to accident are so vanishingly small in a country of 350 million people that your concern is untruthful. Stupid people do stupid things and there is nothing you can do to prevent that. There are 80 million people who use them safely every single second of every single day and you would infringe on their Rights because some idiots (who you no doubt mock anyway) kill themselves accidentally are somehow not going to figure out a way to kill themselves is laughable.

 

[Brain357]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

Yes other countries have those also. Here you are however like 500% more likely to be shot and killed accidently than any other civilized country.

Only because they are small. When you look at Europe as a whole (thus you are comparing population sizes that are actually close) you find that the rates are the almost the same and that the mass shootings in Europe are actually far worse than here in the USA. You are wrong yet again.

We are talking about accidental firearm deaths. There are practically none in all of Europe combined. What are you talking about?

The number of firearms deaths due to accident are so vanishingly small in a country of 350 million people that your concern is untruthful. Stupid people do stupid things and there is nothing you can do to prevent that. There are 80 million people who use them safely every single second of every single day and you would infringe on their Rights because some idiots (who you no doubt mock anyway) kill themselves accidentally are somehow not going to figure out a way to kill themselves is laughable.

I've not suggested infringing on anyone's rights. I've asked why anyone would be so paranoid they end up shooting their own son. You say because they are dumb. I think there is too much of this you need a gun to be safe silliness. The self defense industry says everyone needs a gun, meanwhile crime is at its lowest in recorded history.

 

[westwall]

Trickle, trickle, trickle, in other words silly boy, you're more likely to be harmed by falling down some steps than by getting accidentally shot. And the accidental shootings is dropping while the deaths due to falls is on the rise.




Most Common Causes of Death Due to Injury in the US

Yes other countries have those also. Here you are however like 500% more likely to be shot and killed accidently than any other civilized country.

Only because they are small. When you look at Europe as a whole (thus you are comparing population sizes that are actually close) you find that the rates are the almost the same and that the mass shootings in Europe are actually far worse than here in the USA. You are wrong yet again.

We are talking about accidental firearm deaths. There are practically none in all of Europe combined. What are you talking about?

The number of firearms deaths due to accident are so vanishingly small in a country of 350 million people that your concern is untruthful. Stupid people do stupid things and there is nothing you can do to prevent that. There are 80 million people who use them safely every single second of every single day and you would infringe on their Rights because some idiots (who you no doubt mock anyway) kill themselves accidentally are somehow not going to figure out a way to kill themselves is laughable.

I've not suggested infringing on anyone's rights. I've asked why anyone would be so paranoid they end up shooting their own son. You say because they are dumb. I think there is too much of this you need a gun to be safe silliness. The self defense industry says everyone needs a gun, meanwhile crime is at its lowest in recorded history.

And I've told you that you can't fix stupid which is clearly the case as you are still stuck on stupid yourself.