Occult causes 12 Year to Attempt Murder

Parents should really understand what their children are looking at on the internet. Here we have 2 12yr girls luring another girl into the woods so they can kill her attempting to measure up to a fictional character on a website. What kind of culture are the parents teaching these kids?

12-year-old Wisconsin girl stabbed 19 times; friends arrested - CNN.com

I would propose that there was something wrong with these girls prior to them seeing that crap on the internet. Things like this can be additional factors, they often cannot be the only factor.
 
I say this as an agnostic-

We are living in largely Godless times. Where there is a spiritual void, there is a desire to fill the void with something. Young people have access to all the possible filth that can be imagined by sick fucks, and combined with a culture of absolute narcissism acts like this are to be expected.

There are also situations where you have two people who feed off each other, bring out the worst in each other, and in their kinship of perversion find solace and comfort, so an act like this seems "normal".
 
I say this as an agnostic-

We are living in largely Godless times. Where there is a spiritual void, there is a desire to fill the void with something. Young people have access to all the possible filth that can be imagined by sick fucks, and combined with a culture of absolute narcissism acts like this are to be expected.

There are also situations where you have two people who feed off each other, bring out the worst in each other, and in their kinship of perversion find solace and comfort, so an act like this seems "normal".

I would add in that we are turning into a society that seeks to remove the concepts of blame and remorse. That may tie into the godless concept you are talking about.

When everyone has an excuse about why they fucked up, or are fucked up, what message gets sent to kids?
 
I say this as an agnostic-

We are living in largely Godless times. Where there is a spiritual void, there is a desire to fill the void with something. Young people have access to all the possible filth that can be imagined by sick fucks, and combined with a culture of absolute narcissism acts like this are to be expected.

There are also situations where you have two people who feed off each other, bring out the worst in each other, and in their kinship of perversion find solace and comfort, so an act like this seems "normal".






Agnostics don't try and kill people. If it was an occult initiation that is by DEFINITION dealing with religion.
 
Regardless of what times we live in shouldnt the parents be teaching their children what is right and what is wrong? What happened to monitoring your childrens activities and using them as teaching moments?
 
I say this as an agnostic-

We are living in largely Godless times. Where there is a spiritual void, there is a desire to fill the void with something. Young people have access to all the possible filth that can be imagined by sick fucks, and combined with a culture of absolute narcissism acts like this are to be expected.

There are also situations where you have two people who feed off each other, bring out the worst in each other, and in their kinship of perversion find solace and comfort, so an act like this seems "normal".

I would add in that we are turning into a society that seeks to remove the concepts of blame and remorse. That may tie into the godless concept you are talking about.

When everyone has an excuse about why they fucked up, or are fucked up, what message gets sent to kids?

The culture is truly sick. I don't really see it getting better. I think we continue to devolve until it becomes so perverse that people can no longer be satiated. Once it collapses the tide will turn, and a hundred years from now people will look back in horror at a society of no limit abortions, kids on prescription meds just for being kids, school shootings, pornography of the most vile sorts for anyone to see, and they will be disgusted and wonder how we allowed such debauchery to flourish.
 
Regardless of what times we live in shouldnt the parents be teaching their children what is right and what is wrong? What happened to monitoring your childrens activities and using them as teaching moments?

It's a sign of the times.
 
Regardless of what times we live in shouldnt the parents be teaching their children what is right and what is wrong? What happened to monitoring your childrens activities and using them as teaching moments?

Public Schools have took over teaching of morality, sex education, and all sorts of other things that parents used to instill. Plus we have removed religion entirely from our schools, with the exception of passing references to it as a matter of history (even that is watered down).

When you add concepts such as moral relativism, and its inability to critique non-standard models of morality, what do you expect to happen?

Parents have been absolved of imparting morality onto their children, the state will handle that. Worse, if you decide to instill morality that goes against the group-think, you risk your child being treated as a pariah, or worse, you get a visit from social services.
 
I say this as an agnostic-

We are living in largely Godless times. Where there is a spiritual void, there is a desire to fill the void with something. Young people have access to all the possible filth that can be imagined by sick fucks, and combined with a culture of absolute narcissism acts like this are to be expected.

There are also situations where you have two people who feed off each other, bring out the worst in each other, and in their kinship of perversion find solace and comfort, so an act like this seems "normal".

I would add in that we are turning into a society that seeks to remove the concepts of blame and remorse. That may tie into the godless concept you are talking about.

When everyone has an excuse about why they fucked up, or are fucked up, what message gets sent to kids?

The culture is truly sick. I don't really see it getting better. I think we continue to devolve until it becomes so perverse that people can no longer be satiated. Once it collapses the tide will turn, and a hundred years from now people will look back in horror at a society of no limit abortions, kids on prescription meds just for being kids, school shootings, pornography of the most vile sorts for anyone to see, and they will be disgusted and wonder how we allowed such debauchery to flourish.

It can get worse, I don't underestimate the ability of a few to keep the ship from sinking even if the rest of the passengers are doing nothing but fucking,eating, and killing.
 
Regardless of what times we live in shouldnt the parents be teaching their children what is right and what is wrong? What happened to monitoring your childrens activities and using them as teaching moments?

Public Schools have took over teaching of morality, sex education, and all sorts of other things that parents used to instill. Plus we have removed religion entirely from our schools, with the exception of passing references to it as a matter of history (even that is watered down).

When you add concepts such as moral relativism, and its inability to critique non-standard models of morality, what do you expect to happen?

Parents have been absolved of imparting morality onto their children, the state will handle that. Worse, if you decide to instill morality that goes against the group-think, you risk your child being treated as a pariah, or worse, you get a visit from social services.

I dont think religion has anything to do with it as religion has fucked the world up and children can see the hypocrisy inherent in religion. I'm talking about you as a parent making sure your child is learning the difference between right and wrong and treating others with dignity. You dont need a religion to tell you its wrong to kill another person. Parents have never been absolved of instilling morality. That is their primary job. What makes you think that is the case?
 
Regardless of what times we live in shouldnt the parents be teaching their children what is right and what is wrong? What happened to monitoring your childrens activities and using them as teaching moments?

Public Schools have took over teaching of morality, sex education, and all sorts of other things that parents used to instill. Plus we have removed religion entirely from our schools, with the exception of passing references to it as a matter of history (even that is watered down).

When you add concepts such as moral relativism, and its inability to critique non-standard models of morality, what do you expect to happen?

Parents have been absolved of imparting morality onto their children, the state will handle that. Worse, if you decide to instill morality that goes against the group-think, you risk your child being treated as a pariah, or worse, you get a visit from social services.

I dont think religion has anything to do with it as religion has fucked the world up and children can see the hypocrisy inherent in religion. I'm talking about you as a parent making sure your child is learning the difference between right and wrong and treating others with dignity. You dont need a religion to tell you its wrong to kill another person. Parents have never been absolved of instilling morality. That is their primary job. What makes you think that is the case?

You follow the route typical of those hostile to religion, where you only look at the bad and ignore the good that organized religion has played in society. You also assume that just because YOU don't need the moral compass that an organized religion provides, that EVERYONE ELSE can function without it.

Some parents have absconded the role of morality teacher to the school system, just like they have absconded other teaching requirements. This is a role some school systems have been all too willing to take on, because it fits their progressive "it takes a village" mentality of rearing children. The problem is that with a few exceptions, i.e. religion, opposition to same sex relations, owning guns, other conservative views, progressives are unable to make substantive moral judgements, everything is relative morally.
 
Public Schools have took over teaching of morality, sex education, and all sorts of other things that parents used to instill. Plus we have removed religion entirely from our schools, with the exception of passing references to it as a matter of history (even that is watered down).

When you add concepts such as moral relativism, and its inability to critique non-standard models of morality, what do you expect to happen?

Parents have been absolved of imparting morality onto their children, the state will handle that. Worse, if you decide to instill morality that goes against the group-think, you risk your child being treated as a pariah, or worse, you get a visit from social services.

I dont think religion has anything to do with it as religion has fucked the world up and children can see the hypocrisy inherent in religion. I'm talking about you as a parent making sure your child is learning the difference between right and wrong and treating others with dignity. You dont need a religion to tell you its wrong to kill another person. Parents have never been absolved of instilling morality. That is their primary job. What makes you think that is the case?

You follow the route typical of those hostile to religion, where you only look at the bad and ignore the good that organized religion has played in society. You also assume that just because YOU don't need the moral compass that an organized religion provides, that EVERYONE ELSE can function without it.

Some parents have absconded the role of morality teacher to the school system, just like they have absconded other teaching requirements. This is a role some school systems have been all too willing to take on, because it fits their progressive "it takes a village" mentality of rearing children. The problem is that with a few exceptions, i.e. religion, opposition to same sex relations, owning guns, other conservative views, progressives are unable to make substantive moral judgements, everything is relative morally.

I'm not hostile to religion. I am just calling it like it is. You dont need an invisible, unprovable, air spirit to teach morality to people. I am pointing out the bad because the bad is undeniably the largest gift religion has given us. Religion in its purest form has never been practiced by the masses. If it was then we would have no issues.

It does take a village to rear a socially responsible and aware child to adulthood. We are social animals so I dont see how you can possibly label that as a bad thing. I frequently correct and teach children I come into contact to. If their parents have an issue I tell them their children are not allowed over my house. Progressives make many substantive moral judgements. One is that killing another human over the occult is wrong.
 
How the hell could they blame the "occult" when the kids were trying to emulate a "fictional character on a website"? Violent video games, web sites, movies and a pop-culture environment that promotes drug abuse and violence might qualify 12 year old kids for PTSD compensation if there was such a thing.
 
I say this as an agnostic-

We are living in largely Godless times. Where there is a spiritual void, there is a desire to fill the void with something. Young people have access to all the possible filth that can be imagined by sick fucks, and combined with a culture of absolute narcissism acts like this are to be expected.

There are also situations where you have two people who feed off each other, bring out the worst in each other, and in their kinship of perversion find solace and comfort, so an act like this seems "normal".

I would add in that we are turning into a society that seeks to remove the concepts of blame and remorse. That may tie into the godless concept you are talking about.

When everyone has an excuse about why they fucked up, or are fucked up, what message gets sent to kids?

The culture is truly sick. I don't really see it getting better. I think we continue to devolve until it becomes so perverse that people can no longer be satiated. Once it collapses the tide will turn, and a hundred years from now people will look back in horror at a society of no limit abortions, kids on prescription meds just for being kids, school shootings, pornography of the most vile sorts for anyone to see, and they will be disgusted and wonder how we allowed such debauchery to flourish.

You forgot to mention chimps and spider monkeys taking selfies. :badgrin:
 
I dont think religion has anything to do with it as religion has fucked the world up and children can see the hypocrisy inherent in religion. I'm talking about you as a parent making sure your child is learning the difference between right and wrong and treating others with dignity. You dont need a religion to tell you its wrong to kill another person. Parents have never been absolved of instilling morality. That is their primary job. What makes you think that is the case?

You follow the route typical of those hostile to religion, where you only look at the bad and ignore the good that organized religion has played in society. You also assume that just because YOU don't need the moral compass that an organized religion provides, that EVERYONE ELSE can function without it.

Some parents have absconded the role of morality teacher to the school system, just like they have absconded other teaching requirements. This is a role some school systems have been all too willing to take on, because it fits their progressive "it takes a village" mentality of rearing children. The problem is that with a few exceptions, i.e. religion, opposition to same sex relations, owning guns, other conservative views, progressives are unable to make substantive moral judgements, everything is relative morally.

I'm not hostile to religion. I am just calling it like it is.

Umm, yeah, you just made a blanket statement about all religion when you said:

I dont think religion has anything to do with it as religion has fucked the world up and children can see the hypocrisy inherent in religion.

... and sorry, but that's pretty "hostile".

See an eye doctor.
 
Agnostics don't try and kill people.

If you are saying the girls were not agnostics, then, yes, you are right.

If you are saying as it is exactly above, you are full of nonsense.

Of course agnostics kill people.
 
You follow the route typical of those hostile to religion, where you only look at the bad and ignore the good that organized religion has played in society. You also assume that just because YOU don't need the moral compass that an organized religion provides, that EVERYONE ELSE can function without it.

Some parents have absconded the role of morality teacher to the school system, just like they have absconded other teaching requirements. This is a role some school systems have been all too willing to take on, because it fits their progressive "it takes a village" mentality of rearing children. The problem is that with a few exceptions, i.e. religion, opposition to same sex relations, owning guns, other conservative views, progressives are unable to make substantive moral judgements, everything is relative morally.

I'm not hostile to religion. I am just calling it like it is.

Umm, yeah, you just made a blanket statement about all religion when you said:

I dont think religion has anything to do with it as religion has fucked the world up and children can see the hypocrisy inherent in religion.

... and sorry, but that's pretty "hostile".

See an eye doctor.

You are correct. I should have been more specific. The Christian, Islamic, and Hindu religions have fucked up the world way more than helping it.
 

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