Obviously We, The People Can NOT Be Trusted With Freedom...

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  1. AVG-JOE
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    Obviously We, The People can NOT be trusted with absolute freedom...

    I can state that because I have read thread after thread on this board, and one generalized thesis seems to be the foundation of many of the serious discussion threads: some variation of either "Dude, you should not be able to do that!" or "Dude, what's it to ya? I should be able to do this!"

    Examples of the first:

    -Dude, you should NOT be able to sleep with another dude!

    -Dude, you should NOT be here! Go home to Mexico!

    -Dude, you should NOT be driving that gas-sucking, carbon spewing SUV!

    -Dude, you should NOT be getting welfare without passing a drug test!


    Examples of the second:

    >Dude, what's it to ya? I'll smoke this doooooooobie if I want to!

    >Dude, what's it to ya? I'll get an abortion if I feel it's necessary!

    >Dude, what's it to ya? I'll sleep with and even marry whomever I want - and... we'll have SEX!



    O.k. you get the idea. Obviously We, The People can NOT be trusted with absolute freedom...



    First, let's assume for a moment that we are absolutely free.

    * Hang on a sec while I spark this doobie, now that I have the freedom to do just that... *​

    Now, let's assume we have a few billion neighbors... who are also free to do whatever they want.

    Do we want that? Are there behaviors and actions enough of us deplore that we can and should restrict everyone?



    I'm sure that there are... :eusa_think:



    What behavior or actions should there be laws prohibiting?

    What behavior or actions should there be laws protecting?



    I'll start... I have a prohibition proposal... feel free to comment if you disagree.

    We aught to have a law prohibiting citizens from having sex with animals and children.

    I can think of more, but I want to see what y'all think...

    -Joe
     
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    I think we do have such laws already!
     
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    That's not the point of the thread Willow. My thesis is 'what if'. What if we were suddenly free. REALLY free. Free to do what ever we wanted. Free to start over.

    Have you any suggestions or proposals to make our imaginary utopia a better place to live?

    -Joe
     
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    To many for this board. I would look up US codes and adopt a hell of a lot of them.
     
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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that what the Libertarians want? No government involvement, no taxes, no laws so to speak? I see their points somewhat, who wants to live in a nanny state. But........we need laws, we need taxes of some sort, we need infrastructure and schools....


    Freedoms just another word for nothing left to lose, isn't that what Janis sang?

    I feel I'm free, free to type what I want, go where I want, do what I want, worship what I want, sing what I want, love who I want.


    Yeah, without those laws.......scary.
     
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    Libertarians claim instead of criminal laws they would just have a judge to sit in on lawsuits. Get raped? No problem sue the rapist. Get murdered? No problem , your family can sue the murderer.

    They do not believe that any Government above the county level should have any laws what so ever concerning crimes or people. Of course now, who would build the interstates? Who would regulate the commerce? Who would protect the Country?

    Almost as stupid as anarchists claiming that a peoples army and peoples courts are not a form of control and thus not Anarchy at all.
     
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    More tough news on the late night TV
    news lady tells me that it's cold outside
    man gets his car jacked
    grave yard gets ransacked
    everybody knows there ain't no place to hide

    latenight drive by there's blood on the sidewalk
    the rain's gonna wash out that stain someday
    stupid kid shoulda known this ain't no cake walk
    you can't just wear your bandanna that way

    hey ain't that freedom for you
    hey ain't that freedom for you
    freedom American style

    Hot car rolling down an empty highway
    the keys were in it, man it serves the owner right
    young girl attacked in the woods off the parkway
    she shoulda known not tojog alone at night

    drugs rule downtown, gangs rule midtown
    you're own your own when they both collide
    I keep my doors locked with bars on my windows
    got an alarm in my car, I keep my kids inside

    hey ain't that freedom for you
    hey ain't that freedom for you
    freedom American style

    More tough news on the late night TV
    news lady tells me that it's cold outside
    man gets his car jacked
    grave yard gets ransacked
    everybody knows there ain't no place to hide

    I keep my arms around whatever I got
    hey it's allright world but you know I watch myself
    I'm virtually free to do whatever I want
    but I try to remeber, so is everybody else

    hey ain't that freedom for you
    hey ain't that freedom for you
    freedom American style



    -Todd Snider
     
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    Throw out one or two of your favorites RGS - Let us know what you're thinking!

    -Joe
     
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    One or two? Are you nuts? We have over 300 million people in this Country.
     
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    So what is one behavior that you believe nobody should be able to do?

    Perhaps you'd rather point out a behavor you think everyone should have the protected right to do, no matter what, even if 75% of their neighbors don't share their passion. What would that be?

    -Joe
     

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