Obama's right Cheney is wrong...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by AmericasBrave58, Dec 31, 2009.

  1. AmericasBrave58
    Offline

    AmericasBrave58 Retired USN Nurse(Vietnam

    Joined:
    Dec 31, 2009
    Messages:
    544
    Thanks Received:
    41
    Trophy Points:
    16
    Location:
    Seattle,Washington
    Ratings:
    +41
    Thursday, December 31, 2009

    FORMER VICE president Richard B. Cheney on Wednesday joined a Republican chorus criticizing the Obama administration's decision to charge alleged bomber Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab in federal court. Mr. Cheney and others argue that Mr. Abdulmutallab, who is accused of trying to down Northwest Flight 253 over Detroit on Christmas, should have been held as an enemy combatant and pumped for information, rather than read his Miranda rights and provided a lawyer. They further argue that the decision to shuttle him to federal court shows that President Obama is in denial about the dangers of terrorism.
    This Story

    *
    Dick Cheney's loose lips
    *

    *
    Criminal or combatant?

    This last claim has no merit. Just as it would be a mistake to approach all terrorist acts as a law enforcement challenge, so would it be imprudent to dispense with strong and available law enforcement tools, and to deal with all such incidents as acts of war. Recall that the Bush administration prosecuted shoe bomber Richard Reid in federal court for attempting to down a transatlantic flight using the same type of explosives allegedly found on Mr. Abdulmutallab. No one then questioned the Bush-Cheney administration's judgment or its resolve -- and rightly so.

    The prospects for Mr. Abdulmutallab's prosecution are good. Multiple eyewitnesses can testify to the incident on the plane, and physical evidence, including the failed explosive device, has been recovered. If the case goes to trial, there is probably little danger that secret sources or methods will be exposed.
    ad_icon

    Yet part of the critics' argument is worthy of discussion. Mr. Abdulmutallab could have been detained without charge and interrogated outside of the constraints of federal rules to give the administration an opportunity to gather information in hopes of thwarting a future attack. The Supreme Court has acknowledged this authority, and the Obama administration has gone so far as to argue that Congress, through the 2001 Authorization for the Use of Military Force, gave the president the right to hold combatants indefinitely as long as a court of law rules that the initial detention was justified.

    So why not bundle the Nigerian suspect to a secure location for intensive questioning by the CIA? First, because he already has been talking to authorities about his affiliation with al-Qaeda and the possibility of other attacks. Second, because he is no Khalid Sheik Mohammed -- he is not a seasoned al-Qaeda operator but a disturbed young man whom the group tried to use as cannon fodder.

    Most important, the Bush administration's own experience has showed that holding suspects as enemy combatants creates more problems than it solves, because of the lack of due process and legal accountability. We have called for the creation of a national security court to govern presidential decisions to detain those who are too dangerous to release but against whom there is insufficient evidence to hold under federal criminal statutes. This authority could be valuable in interrogating those high up in a terrorist organization who are believed to possess significant operational information. It would be wasted on Mr. Abdulmutallab.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 3
  2. kyzr
    Offline

    kyzr Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2009
    Messages:
    3,447
    Thanks Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    130
    Ratings:
    +630
    Waterboard his ass, get his cell contacts, then shoot the MF. Whats the problem? <stupid ambulance chasers, thats the problem. They just don't get the war thing>
     
  3. saveliberty
    Offline

    saveliberty Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2009
    Messages:
    42,085
    Thanks Received:
    6,123
    Trophy Points:
    1,830
    Ratings:
    +20,018
    If news reports are accurate, he accused gave up quite a bit of information without military interogation techniques. His target was not military. We have federal laws, and have for many years concerning this type of thing on an commercial flight. This is one case where the enemy combatant label doesn't fit as well as other ones. Pick your battles better Mr. Cheney. It would be nice if some of you gave Mr. Bush some credit for not doing this type of thing.
     
  4. Zander
    Offline

    Zander Platinum Member

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2009
    Messages:
    17,452
    Thanks Received:
    6,575
    Trophy Points:
    390
    Location:
    Los Angeles CA
    Ratings:
    +12,892
    AmericansBrave58 - Are you an editorial writer for the Washington Post?
     
  5. kyzr
    Offline

    kyzr Gold Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2009
    Messages:
    3,447
    Thanks Received:
    450
    Trophy Points:
    130
    Ratings:
    +630
    Blowing up a commercial jet liner is an act of war. I support the Bush Doctrine that goes after state sponsors of terrorism as well as the perps.

    The label that does in-fact fit the Islamic suicide bomber is "enemy combatant". His motives are purely terror against the US. There was no hostage taking nor ransom. The act was technically called "asymmetrical warfare".
     
  6. Chris
    Offline

    Chris Gold Member

    Joined:
    May 30, 2008
    Messages:
    23,154
    Thanks Received:
    1,958
    Trophy Points:
    205
    Location:
    Virginia
    Ratings:
    +2,089
    Cheney has done more for AQ than any other person.

    He might as well appear on public service announcements for Bin Laden.

    Cheney is their biggest recruiter.
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
  7. Annie
    Offline

    Annie Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    50,847
    Thanks Received:
    4,644
    Trophy Points:
    1,790
    Ratings:
    +4,770
    58% Favor Waterboarding of Plane Terrorist To Get Information - Rasmussen Reports™

     
  8. oreo
    Offline

    oreo Gold Member Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Sep 15, 2008
    Messages:
    12,481
    Thanks Received:
    1,960
    Trophy Points:
    255
    Location:
    rocky mountains
    Ratings:
    +4,160
    This guy might have given up information--but Al Queda learns very quickly. The next one that is caught & is read his miranda rights--will not be talking. The next one will lawyer up immediately--& his lawyer will advise him not to say anything. We have gone back to pre 9/11 mentality.

    This terrorist is just one of 3 that have made attempts to slaughter innocent Americans--since Eric Holder outlawed waterboarding & other "harsh" measures to obtain information.

    One was successful--the major at the army base that killed 13 & wounded dozens--all the while intelligence knew he was on radical extremist web-sites. Then the person in Denver--who was planning & making a large bomb that was working with others in New York. Now the Christmas day attempt. Someone who broke through all security--& walked on an American airline headed to the main-land--& actually denonated the device. Fortunately for hundreds on that plane--the explosive device did not work properly.

    It took Obama 72 hours to address the Christmas day attempt & when he did he stated it was an "isolated" incident. Obviously--attacks on this country & attempts to kill innocent Americans are not isolated at all--in fact, these attempts have increased.

    Terrorists do not "respect" nice guys. In fact, a terrorist will always seek the least path of resistance. Right now--it is apparent that the least path of resistance is this administration & it's policies--:cuckoo::cuckoo:
     
    • Thank You! Thank You! x 1
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2010
  9. Annie
    Offline

    Annie Diamond Member

    Joined:
    Nov 22, 2003
    Messages:
    50,847
    Thanks Received:
    4,644
    Trophy Points:
    1,790
    Ratings:
    +4,770
    Indeed.

    The Wages of Weakness

     
  10. Darkwind
    Offline

    Darkwind Gold Member

    Joined:
    Jun 18, 2009
    Messages:
    14,151
    Thanks Received:
    2,593
    Trophy Points:
    245
    Ratings:
    +4,265
    Obama is wrong. Period.

    But then, you knew that.
     

Share This Page