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I suppose the citizenship for children could be negotiable, but I still think only children of citizens should be eligible for automatic citizenship.
I suppose the citizenship for children could be negotiable, but I still think only children of citizens should be eligible for automatic citizenship.
It shouldn't matter whether you are born in the US or Timbuktu, citizenship should be earned. Citizenship is precious. Our forefathers fought and died so that we might have the rights and privileges of that citizenship. I say it is to precious to be given away or inherited by accident of birth.
I think so.I suppose the citizenship for children could be negotiable, but I still think only children of citizens should be eligible for automatic citizenship.
It shouldn't matter whether you are born in the US or Timbuktu, citizenship should be earned. Citizenship is precious. Our forefathers fought and died so that we might have the rights and privileges of that citizenship. I say it is to precious to be given away or inherited by accident of birth.
Do you realize what you are saying?
Please explainYou really haven't thought this through.
Maybe I’m being a bit too idealist, but I think citizenship should be a privilege that people value. For millions who waited years to immigrate to this country and have gone through the immigrations and naturalization process, it is a great privilege. I talked with a young man who emigrated from Rwanda. He was so proud of his US citizenship. He went down to register to vote the day after he received his citizenship papers. By contrast, a few years ago I ask my nephew, who had just reach voting age if he had registered to vote. He said he wasn’t interested in politics and didn’t care who ran the government. My 8th grade granddaughter doesn’t even know she’s a US citizen. We sacrifice nothing for our citizenship and for too people, that is exactly what it’s worth to them.Gee flopper, I guess he really explained it huh? (four times?)
People who come here from other countries are already citizens of those other countries. Your idea would create millions and millions of stateless persons, non-citizens. And what would you do with those born here who cannot, do not, or will not pass your test? Send them 'home'? Talk about creating an underclsass, talk about disenfranchisement, talk about a legal and Constitutional nightmare. It would not only be impossible, it would be a very, very bad idea.
Let's just control our borders and enforce the laws we have now instead of mucking with the Constitution or dreaming up cockeyed schemes.
No, it's against the law for illegal aliens to work in the U.S.A.
I suppose the citizenship for children could be negotiable, but I still think only children of citizens should be eligible for automatic citizenship.
It shouldn't matter whether you are born in the US or Timbuktu, citizenship should be earned. Citizenship is precious. Our forefathers fought and died so that we might have the rights and privileges of that citizenship. I say it is to precious to be given away or inherited by accident of birth.
People who come here from other countries are already citizens of those other countries. Your idea would create millions and millions of stateless persons, non-citizens. And what would you do with those born here who cannot, do not, or will not pass your test? Send them 'home'? Talk about creating an underclsass, talk about disenfranchisement, talk about a legal and Constitutional nightmare. It would not only be impossible, it would be a very, very bad idea.
Let's just control our borders and enforce the laws we have now instead of mucking with the Constitution or dreaming up cockeyed schemes.
As much as I hate it when my husband says this phrase, Robert Heinlein wrote about this. He envisioned a state where everyone was a legal resident, with certain inherent rights under the law, but full citizenship (defined as the right to vote and the right to hold public office) was earned through - in his story, at least - military service.
As it happens, it wouldn't be all that big a "Constitutional nightmare", considering that we actually started out with a system that gave legal rights and protections to everyone (except slaves), but only granted voting privileges to property owners. So it's not unprecedented for the United States to require some real involvement in the system in order to participate in it.
No, it's against the law for illegal aliens to work in the U.S.A. The Obama administration is openly disobeying our countries laws!
Of course it's illegal for them to be here but are you saying an illegal alien can be prosecuted for holding a job in the US in addition to being here?
We therefore conclude that the text of 8 U.S.C. § 1324a,
combined with legislative history demonstrating Congress
affirmative choice not to criminalize work as a method of discouraging unauthorized immigrant employment
In the context of unauthorized immigrant employment,
Congress has deliberately crafted a very particular calibration
of force which does not include the criminalization of work.
http://sblog.s3.amazonaws.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/Opbelow_Arizona.pdf
They don't HAVE any labor rights, because they're NOT SUPPOSED TO BE HERE WORKING.
This administation is OUT OF CONTROL.
Typical. This Administration has no respect for the law.
Illegal alliens have no rights in the work place or any where else in this country. The only right they have is the right to leave.
Carby... both the ones doing the employing and the illegals themselves are problems... it is not a one way street
And how does letting employers violate labor laws because the person they hired turns out to be illegal help?
Carby.... labor laws are and should be about the legal citizens and visitors to the US... the crime is harboring or hiring these illegal criminal aliens and the illegal criminal aliens being here to begin with
So you go hard after the businesses for hiring them... and not spending government resources worrying about how much they are getting paid and still leaving the illegal criminal aliens here....
Jeez.. you are fucking dense.. even for a liberal
I understand it,[
I have trouble understanding how some of you are missing this.
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Yes, there are laws against illegal workers of all kinds, but "freedom loving " Pubs won't pass laws for good work ID cards- that would be COMMUNIST- so they coincidentally keep the cheap labor, etc. that prevents a modern country.
The USA is the only modern country in the world where full time workers live in poverty and have no health care (500k bankruptcies a year, most HAVE insurance - crap insurance!)After 30 years of Voodoo: worst min. wage, work conditions, illegal work safeguards, vacations, work week, college costs, rich/poor gap, upward social mobility, % homeless and in prison. And you complain about the victims? Are you an idiot or an A-hole?
I think I read the same book but I can't remember the name.People who come here from other countries are already citizens of those other countries. Your idea would create millions and millions of stateless persons, non-citizens. And what would you do with those born here who cannot, do not, or will not pass your test? Send them 'home'? Talk about creating an underclsass, talk about disenfranchisement, talk about a legal and Constitutional nightmare. It would not only be impossible, it would be a very, very bad idea.
Let's just control our borders and enforce the laws we have now instead of mucking with the Constitution or dreaming up cockeyed schemes.
As much as I hate it when my husband says this phrase, Robert Heinlein wrote about this. He envisioned a state where everyone was a legal resident, with certain inherent rights under the law, but full citizenship (defined as the right to vote and the right to hold public office) was earned through - in his story, at least - military service.
As it happens, it wouldn't be all that big a "Constitutional nightmare", considering that we actually started out with a system that gave legal rights and protections to everyone (except slaves), but only granted voting privileges to property owners. So it's not unprecedented for the United States to require some real involvement in the system in order to participate in it.
