Obama's Entire Account Of bin Laden's Death Is One Big Lie

[Esmeralda]

This thread belongs in the conspiracy theories forum.

No it doesn't. It belongs right here. Just because the secular progressive liberals like to believe liars such as Obama stands as a beacon of absurdness

-Geaux

You are the one who is absurd Bucko.

 

[BullKurtz]

SEAL not "seal".....Of course the Paki ISI knew about bin-Laden's whereabouts. I also question the use of the word "murder" in the link. Having been involved in a few ops like that, that word is never used...."terminate command" or "remove bad actor" more likely because there is no such thing as murder in that context.

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

And how do the Roswell Aliens figure into this bizarre conspiracy theory.

Because it's always the Roswell Aliens.

I have no reason to discredit the story

-Geaux

Please make a trip to see the ophthalmologist.Thanks.

 

[hangover]

Cons still have the bloody piles over Obama getting Bin Laden, when Shrub couldn't.

 

[syonidv]

Hersh isn't a lightweight. He helped break the Abu Ghraib scandal, the My Lai massacre, and the Al Assad "gas attack" hoax. He's a regular contributor to The New Yorker and HuffPo. At the very least, his claims bear looking into.

Of course, skeptics have already pointed out that the story relies almost purely on the testimony of anonymous sources, hence Hersh's credibility (and the credibility of his sources) have to count for a lot.

 

[BullKurtz]

Cons still have the bloody piles over Obama getting Bin Laden, when Shrub couldn't.

Obama didn't "get" anybody.....he tried to stop the bin-Laden op and was told to sit in the corner and shut up.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Cons still have the bloody piles over Obama getting Bin Laden, when Shrub couldn't.

Obama didn't "get" anybody.....he tried to stop the bin-Laden op and was told to sit in the corner and shut up.

Sure.

 

[hangover]

Cons still have the bloody piles over Obama getting Bin Laden, when Shrub couldn't.

Obama didn't "get" anybody.....he tried to stop the bin-Laden op and was told to sit in the corner and shut up.

^^^^Needs Preparation H.

 

[J.E.D]

I see allowing progtard trolling is still being protected here... shocker...

SassyIrishLass still has not recaptured Route Irish.

She lies regularly as does Geaux.

This OP is based on nonsense.

And how do the Roswell Aliens figure into this bizarre conspiracy theory.

Because it's always the Roswell Aliens.

And how do the Roswell Aliens figure into this bizarre conspiracy theory.

Because it's always the Roswell Aliens.

I have no reason to discredit the story

-Geaux

Elvis, right? Elvis was involved here somewhere!

Hey, the point of the matter is that Obama did what Bush promised and failed to do- Have Bin Laden take a dirt nap. (Or in this case, a Water Nap)

But here's what REALLY happened.

And how do the Roswell Aliens figure into this bizarre conspiracy theory.

Because it's always the Roswell Aliens.

I have no reason to discredit the story

-Geaux

Elvis, right? Elvis was involved here somewhere!

The cross-dressing ghost of Ed D. Wood, Jr!!!

Why is it not shocking to hear that Obama lied

Who would of thunk?

-Geaux
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The last time famed US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh made news in the global media was with his massive, 5000-word expose from April of 2014 "The Red Line and the Rat Line" revealing the true motives behind the Syrian near-war of 2013 including what we had said from the very beginning: the very professionally created YouTube clips showing the consequences of what was said to have been an Assad poison gas attack, were nothing but a fake (subsequent reports identified the propaganda source as Rami Abdul Rahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, whose entire operation has been funded by an unidentified European country.)

Needless to say, the White House did not respond to Hersh's requests for comment.

Among the many allegations of Hersh's report are that:

• bin Laden had been a prisoner of the Pakistan intelligence at the Abbottabad compound since 2006 (something revealed previously in "Osama bin Laden 'protected by Pakistan in return for Saudi cash")
• that the two most senior Pakistani military leaders knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the Seals to Abbottabad could cross Pakistani airspace without triggering any alarms;
• that the CIA did not learn of bin Laden’s whereabouts by tracking his couriers, as the White House has claimed since May 2011, but from a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer who betrayed the secret in return for much of the $25 million reward offered by the US,
• and that, while Obama did order the raid and the Seal team did carry it out, many other aspects of the administration’s account were false.

Hersh notes that the Obama administration originally agreed to announce bin Laden had been killed in a drone strike rather than shot during an active Special Forces mission:

... a carefully constructed cover story would be issued: Obama would announce that DNA analysis confirmed that bin Laden had been killed in a drone raid in the Hindu Kush, on Afghanistan’s side of the border. The Americans who planned the mission assured Kayani and Pasha that their co-operation would never be made public. It was understood by all that if the Pakistani role became known, there would be violent protests – bin Laden was considered a hero by many Pakistanis – and Pasha and Kayani and their families would be in danger, and the Pakistani army publicly disgraced.

It was clear to all by this point, the retired official said, that bin Laden would not survive: ‘Pasha told us at a meeting in April that he could not risk leaving bin Laden in the compound now that we know he’s there. Too many people in the Pakistani chain of command know about the mission. He and Kayani had to tell the whole story to the directors of the air defence command and to a few local commanders.

At the end bin Laden was murdered, plain and simple:

‘Of course the guys knew the target was bin Laden and he was there under Pakistani control,’ the retired official said. ‘Otherwise, they would not have done the mission without air cover. It was clearly and absolutely a premeditated murder.’ A former Seal commander, who has led and participated in dozens of similar missions over the past decade, assured me that ‘we were not going to keep bin Laden alive – to allow the terrorist to live. By law, we know what we’re doing inside Pakistan is a homicide. We’ve come to grips with that. Each one of us, when we do these missions, say to ourselves, “Let’s face it. We’re going to commit a murder.”’ The White House’s initial account claimed that bin Laden had been brandishing a weapon; the story was aimed at deflecting those who questioned the legality of the US administration’s targeted assassination programme. The US has consistently maintained, despite widely reported remarks by people involved with the mission, that bin Laden would have been taken alive if he had immediately surrendered.

Seymour Hersh Obama s Entire Account Of bin Laden s Death Is One Big Lie This Is What Really Happened Zero Hedge

And how do the Roswell Aliens figure into this bizarre conspiracy theory.

Because it's always the Roswell Aliens.

I have no reason to discredit the story

-Geaux

Willfully ignorant. Say it with pride, bro!

Why is it not shocking to hear that Obama lied

Who would of thunk?

-Geaux
------------------------------------

The last time famed US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh made news in the global media was with his massive, 5000-word expose from April of 2014 "The Red Line and the Rat Line" revealing the true motives behind the Syrian near-war of 2013 including what we had said from the very beginning: the very professionally created YouTube clips showing the consequences of what was said to have been an Assad poison gas attack, were nothing but a fake (subsequent reports identified the propaganda source as Rami Abdul Rahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, whose entire operation has been funded by an unidentified European country.)

Needless to say, the White House did not respond to Hersh's requests for comment.

Among the many allegations of Hersh's report are that:

• bin Laden had been a prisoner of the Pakistan intelligence at the Abbottabad compound since 2006 (something revealed previously in "Osama bin Laden 'protected by Pakistan in return for Saudi cash")
• that the two most senior Pakistani military leaders knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the Seals to Abbottabad could cross Pakistani airspace without triggering any alarms;
• that the CIA did not learn of bin Laden’s whereabouts by tracking his couriers, as the White House has claimed since May 2011, but from a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer who betrayed the secret in return for much of the $25 million reward offered by the US,
• and that, while Obama did order the raid and the Seal team did carry it out, many other aspects of the administration’s account were false.

Hersh notes that the Obama administration originally agreed to announce bin Laden had been killed in a drone strike rather than shot during an active Special Forces mission:

... a carefully constructed cover story would be issued: Obama would announce that DNA analysis confirmed that bin Laden had been killed in a drone raid in the Hindu Kush, on Afghanistan’s side of the border. The Americans who planned the mission assured Kayani and Pasha that their co-operation would never be made public. It was understood by all that if the Pakistani role became known, there would be violent protests – bin Laden was considered a hero by many Pakistanis – and Pasha and Kayani and their families would be in danger, and the Pakistani army publicly disgraced.

It was clear to all by this point, the retired official said, that bin Laden would not survive: ‘Pasha told us at a meeting in April that he could not risk leaving bin Laden in the compound now that we know he’s there. Too many people in the Pakistani chain of command know about the mission. He and Kayani had to tell the whole story to the directors of the air defence command and to a few local commanders.

At the end bin Laden was murdered, plain and simple:

‘Of course the guys knew the target was bin Laden and he was there under Pakistani control,’ the retired official said. ‘Otherwise, they would not have done the mission without air cover. It was clearly and absolutely a premeditated murder.’ A former Seal commander, who has led and participated in dozens of similar missions over the past decade, assured me that ‘we were not going to keep bin Laden alive – to allow the terrorist to live. By law, we know what we’re doing inside Pakistan is a homicide. We’ve come to grips with that. Each one of us, when we do these missions, say to ourselves, “Let’s face it. We’re going to commit a murder.”’ The White House’s initial account claimed that bin Laden had been brandishing a weapon; the story was aimed at deflecting those who questioned the legality of the US administration’s targeted assassination programme. The US has consistently maintained, despite widely reported remarks by people involved with the mission, that bin Laden would have been taken alive if he had immediately surrendered.

Seymour Hersh Obama s Entire Account Of bin Laden s Death Is One Big Lie This Is What Really Happened Zero Hedge

Yes, we know you really hate that OBL was killed.

Given Obungle's past lies and his history of embellishment...

Given yours and the OP's near daily lie-fest, nobody believes either of you and for good reason.

Tissue, Polerider?

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

Why is it not shocking to hear that Obama lied

Who would of thunk?

-Geaux
------------------------------------

The last time famed US investigative journalist Seymour Hersh made news in the global media was with his massive, 5000-word expose from April of 2014 "The Red Line and the Rat Line" revealing the true motives behind the Syrian near-war of 2013 including what we had said from the very beginning: the very professionally created YouTube clips showing the consequences of what was said to have been an Assad poison gas attack, were nothing but a fake (subsequent reports identified the propaganda source as Rami Abdul Rahman of the Syrian Observatory for Human Rights, whose entire operation has been funded by an unidentified European country.)

Needless to say, the White House did not respond to Hersh's requests for comment.

Among the many allegations of Hersh's report are that:

• bin Laden had been a prisoner of the Pakistan intelligence at the Abbottabad compound since 2006 (something revealed previously in "Osama bin Laden 'protected by Pakistan in return for Saudi cash")
• that the two most senior Pakistani military leaders knew of the raid in advance and had made sure that the two helicopters delivering the Seals to Abbottabad could cross Pakistani airspace without triggering any alarms;
• that the CIA did not learn of bin Laden’s whereabouts by tracking his couriers, as the White House has claimed since May 2011, but from a former senior Pakistani intelligence officer who betrayed the secret in return for much of the $25 million reward offered by the US,
• and that, while Obama did order the raid and the Seal team did carry it out, many other aspects of the administration’s account were false.

Hersh notes that the Obama administration originally agreed to announce bin Laden had been killed in a drone strike rather than shot during an active Special Forces mission:

... a carefully constructed cover story would be issued: Obama would announce that DNA analysis confirmed that bin Laden had been killed in a drone raid in the Hindu Kush, on Afghanistan’s side of the border. The Americans who planned the mission assured Kayani and Pasha that their co-operation would never be made public. It was understood by all that if the Pakistani role became known, there would be violent protests – bin Laden was considered a hero by many Pakistanis – and Pasha and Kayani and their families would be in danger, and the Pakistani army publicly disgraced.

It was clear to all by this point, the retired official said, that bin Laden would not survive: ‘Pasha told us at a meeting in April that he could not risk leaving bin Laden in the compound now that we know he’s there. Too many people in the Pakistani chain of command know about the mission. He and Kayani had to tell the whole story to the directors of the air defence command and to a few local commanders.

At the end bin Laden was murdered, plain and simple:

‘Of course the guys knew the target was bin Laden and he was there under Pakistani control,’ the retired official said. ‘Otherwise, they would not have done the mission without air cover. It was clearly and absolutely a premeditated murder.’ A former Seal commander, who has led and participated in dozens of similar missions over the past decade, assured me that ‘we were not going to keep bin Laden alive – to allow the terrorist to live. By law, we know what we’re doing inside Pakistan is a homicide. We’ve come to grips with that. Each one of us, when we do these missions, say to ourselves, “Let’s face it. We’re going to commit a murder.”’ The White House’s initial account claimed that bin Laden had been brandishing a weapon; the story was aimed at deflecting those who questioned the legality of the US administration’s targeted assassination programme. The US has consistently maintained, despite widely reported remarks by people involved with the mission, that bin Laden would have been taken alive if he had immediately surrendered.

Seymour Hersh Obama s Entire Account Of bin Laden s Death Is One Big Lie This Is What Really Happened Zero Hedge

A decade ago, Hersh was one of the most respected investigative journalists on the planet, having broken major stories from the 1969 My Lai massacre to the 2004 Abu Ghraib scandal. But more recently, his reports have become less and less credible. He's claimed that much of the US special forces is controlled by secret members of Opus Dei, that the US military flew Iranian terrorists to Nevada for training, and that the 2014 chemical weapons attack in Syria was a "false flag" staged by the government of Turkey.

Those reports have had little proof and, rather than being borne out by subsequent investigations, have been either unsubstantiated or outright debunked. A close reading of Hersh's bin Laden story suggests it is likely to suffer the same fate.

What is the proof?
The evidence for all this is Hersh's conversations with two people: Asad Durrani, who ran Pakistan's military intelligence service from 1990 to 1992, and "a retired senior intelligence official who was knowledgeable about the initial intelligence about bin Laden’s presence in Abbottabad." Read that line again: knowledgeable about the initial intelligence. Not exactly a key player in this drama, and anonymous at that.

Hersh produces no supporting documents or proof, nor is the authority of either source established. We are given no reason to believe that either Durrani or the "knowledgeable official" would have even second- or thirdhand knowledge of what occurred, yet their word is treated as gospel. His other two sources are anonymous "consultants" who are vaguely described as insiders.

Hersh's proof is that he finds the official story of the Osama bin Laden raid to be unconvincing. And he points out that in the first days after the raid, the administration released details that cast bin Laden in a negative light — saying he tried to use one of his wives as a shield, for example — that it later walked back. But raising questions about the official story is not the same as proving a spectacular international conspiracy.

If that seems like worryingly little evidence for a story that accuses hundreds of people across three governments of staging a massive international hoax that has gone on for years, then you are not alone.

The many problems with Seymour Hersh s Osama bin Laden conspiracy theory - Vox

 

[Mad_Cabbie]

This thread belongs in the conspiracy theories forum.

No it doesn't. It belongs right here. Just because the secular progressive liberals like to believe liars such as Obama stands as a beacon of absurdness

-Geaux

Sorry, it's the WORST kind of crap that you could ever hope to try and prove.

1 Anonymous source.

2 No verifiable facts.

3 Lying, discredited author.

 

[Geaux4it]

Ah, the desperate left hold on to the ONEcredivle event under Obama although he had nothing to do with it and lied about it

-Geaux

 

[rdean]

This thread belongs in the conspiracy theories forum.

No it doesn't. It belongs right here. Just because the secular progressive liberals like to believe liars such as Obama stands as a beacon of absurdness

-Geaux

These idiot tards really irk me.

Not only did you have the Navy SEALS, but you have the helicopter pilots and the base they left from and all the people involved in the planning. Military lifers who have dedicated themselves to protecting this country.

Then you have the fucking enormous Aircraft Carrier that it landed on with all those sailors. Then you have the team that washed Bin Laden and prepared him for burial and all those witnesses. Then you have the DNA which went through a lab full of technicians. Then you have all the people who watched over everything to make sure protocol was followed.

And these idiot, stupid fucking right wingers are saying ALL those people are liars with no integrity?

I would believe all those people before I would believe these right wingnut teabagging moronic right wingers. Next, you fools are going to tell us you think Texas is about to be invaded by the US Military or that Obama took a vacation costing $200,000,000.00 a day.

Nah, even you guys can't be so stupid you would believe such nonsense.

Oh wait..............

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Remember the good old days of Conservatives in the US?

Anybody who denies that the rabid right hate their country and hate the US Constitution hasn't been paying attention.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

This thread belongs in the conspiracy theories forum.

No it doesn't. It belongs right here. Just because the secular progressive liberals like to believe liars such as Obama stands as a beacon of absurdness

-Geaux

These idiot tards really irk me.

Not only did you have the Navy SEALS, but you have the helicopter pilots and the base they left from and all the people involved in the planning. Military lifers who have dedicated themselves to protecting this country.

Then you have the fucking enormous Aircraft Carrier that it landed on with all those sailors. Then you have the team that washed Bin Laden and prepared him for burial and all those witnesses. Then you have the DNA which went through a lab full of technicians. Then you have all the people who watched over everything to make sure protocol was followed.

And these idiot, stupid fucking right wingers are saying ALL those people are liars with no integrity?

I would believe all those people before I would believe these right wingnut teabagging moronic right wingers. Next, you fools are going to tell us you think Texas is about to be invaded by the US Military or that Obama took a vacation costing $200,000,000.00 a day.

Nah, even you guys can't be so stupid you would believe such nonsense.

Oh wait..............

The rabid right hates our vets so its not surprising that they would call Seal Team Six liars.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The neo-cons and far rights see their end coming and they are crying.

 

[BullKurtz]

The rabid right hates our vets so its not surprising that they would call Seal Team Six liars.

Nobody has called SEAL #6 liars you whimpering putz.....only that the ISI may have allowed their helicopters to pass without discovery, despite the fact they were prototype stealth choppers.....and one that was left behind because of failure to demolish it with explosives....resulting in the chinese now having that technology.

Thanks to your glory-hunting fraud in the WH, most of what was found at the OBL compound was lost by early disclosure...Zawahiri and the others went to ground when they could have been caught or shot.

 

[candycorn]

The issue is almost four years old (OBL's death older than that), and just now Geaux is going along with the nonsense.

Let's place this in the conspiracy forum, so the conspiracy nutters can have a field day.

Your the second here to call for action against the thread. Typical leftist progressive thought in that they know what's best for all concerned I'm simply listing an article for review. If you don't like it, shove off. Go back to reading your Karl Marx manifesto
-Geaux

Obama is dead. Santa Claus never lived. Route Irish was not captured by the bad guys last year. Your OP has no traction.

You don't like Obama, we get it, but understand that he won twice, which means the majority of people don't even pay attention to you.

Geaux, speak out in foolishness and get called out for your foolishness. This OP belongs in the Conspiracy Forum.

Considering the source, the majority of people, are IDIOTS.

Which is why fences make good neighbors and I still have the voice of 'real' America

-Geaux

Yeah yeah yeah...everyone else is wrong and you're right...is that it? Real America is something that has left you in it's wake and you'll never understand why...all the more pity.

 

[rdean]

The rabid right hates our vets so its not surprising that they would call Seal Team Six liars.

Nobody has called SEAL #6 liars you whimpering putz.....only that the ISI may have allowed their helicopters to pass without discovery, despite the fact they were prototype stealth choppers.....and one that was left behind because of failure to demolish it with explosives....resulting in the chinese now having that technology.

Thanks to your glory-hunting fraud in the WH, most of what was found at the OBL compound was lost by early disclosure...Zawahiri and the others went to ground when they could have been caught or shot.

When right wingers are saying SEAL team six lied, then they are saying SEAL team 6 are liars. It's just that simple.

 

[candycorn]

Given Obungle's past lies and his history of embellishment...

Given yours and the OP's near daily lie-fest, nobody believes either of you and for good reason.

Please prove where I have ever lied, bitch.

Here...for starters:
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