Obama's coalition is starting to crumble.

[tigerbob]

What Coalition? It's a couple of Oil-Hungry Western European Nations and us. This is no Coalition.

That's exactly what Gaddafi's supporters are saying too.

They're right and so am i.

That's a touch hubristic, but what the hell, it's Tuesday.

 

[ekrem]

What Coalition? It's a couple of Oil-Hungry Western European Nations and us. This is no Coalition.

This whole thing will have several consequences during and once it is over.
It was not good at all.

 

[ekrem]

A bill will be brought to Parliament tomorrow.
It's about authorization to station warships and submarines in Libya for 1 year.

NATO's Naval mission will consist of 16 subs, warships and auxillary ships.
Turkey will be contributing 6 according to tomorrow's Parliament Bill.
Reuters

NATO's participation in No-Fly zone we still block.

Obama should seek Authority from Congress, too. Like other nations do.

 

[dilloduck]

A bill will be brought to Parliament tomorrow.
It's about authorization to station warships and submarines in Libya for 1 year.

NATO's Naval mission will consist of 16 subs, warships and auxillary ships.
Turkey will be contributing 6 according to tomorrow's Parliament Bill.
Reuters

NATO's participation in No-Fly zone we still block.

Obama should seek Authority from Congress, too. Like other nations do.

It will be good practice for Turkey and they might even get some respect for it.

 

[8537]

What Coalition? It's a couple of Oil-Hungry Western European Nations and us. This is no Coalition.

My gawd man. Do you think before you post?

You know the Arab League and several Arab nations are part of the coalition, right?

That's what separates it from the Iraq war in 2003.

 

[ekrem]

Adm. James Stavridis, NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander will come tomorrow to Turkey.
They'll be talking about enforcing the No-Fly zone from Izmir's (Turkey) NATO’s Allied Air Component Command.

It will be good practice for Turkey and they might even get some respect for it.

If it is NATO which shall command the whole thing, then Paris-meeting shouldn't have happened.

 

[ekrem]

Turkish President Abdullah Gul has warned the coalition forces taking action in Libya against pursuing any hidden agenda.

Without naming any states, he said it was "obvious" that some coalition members perceived the conflict as an opportunity for themselves.

"The issue is essentially about people's freedom and ending oppression... but unfortunately it is obvious that some countries are driven by opportunism.

BBC News - Turkey warns against coalition 'hidden agenda' on Libya

He talks about France.

 

[KissMy]

What Coalition? It's a couple of Oil-Hungry Western European Nations and us. This is no Coalition.

My gawd man. Do you think before you post?

You know the Arab League and several Arab nations are part of the coalition, right?

That's what separates it from the Iraq war in 2003.

The Arabs just wanted to get another war going to drive up oil prices.

 

[ekrem]

Italy will command the Naval NATO mission
Turkey to send 5 ships and one submarine for Nato Libya embargo | Diplomacy | World Bulletin

Still no agreement within NATO for Air operations.

 

[MaggieMae]

A bill will be brought to Parliament tomorrow.
It's about authorization to station warships and submarines in Libya for 1 year.

NATO's Naval mission will consist of 16 subs, warships and auxillary ships.
Turkey will be contributing 6 according to tomorrow's Parliament Bill.
Reuters

NATO's participation in No-Fly zone we still block.

Obama should seek Authority from Congress, too. Like other nations do.

So Turkey's in? Interesting.

 

[ekrem]

So Turkey's in? Interesting.

To enforce Sea-blockade of Libya.
As of now, we don't point a gun or drop bombs on the Libyan people, like Obama does without notifying his Congress.

 

[ekrem]

Adm. James Stavridis, NATO’s Supreme Allied Commander will come tomorrow to Turkey.
They'll be talking about enforcing the No-Fly zone from Izmir's (Turkey) NATO’s Allied Air Component Command.

Already here:
NATO Komutan Ankara'da - Hrriyet Gndem

 

[MaggieMae]

So Turkey's in? Interesting.

To enforce Sea-blockade of Libya.
As of now, we don't point a gun or drop bombs on the Libyan people, like Obama does without notifying his Congress.

Enough, please. Congress knew exactly what was about to happen. Boehner, et al., are blowing this whole thing up into a piece of what they hope will be juicy political propaganda. He needs to stop his whining and just deal with it.

Obama consults with congressional leaders on Libya - 2chambers - The Washington Post

President Obama held a closed-door consultation with congressional leaders on the crisis in Libya on Friday afternoon, hours after a cease-fire was declared and one day after the United Nations Security Council authorized a no-fly zone and “all necessary measures” to protect civilians in the country.

The meeting convened 12:30 p.m. in the Situation Room and ended shortly before 2 p.m. A Senate leadership aide said that the meeting brought together leaders from both parties and both chambers.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) attended in person; Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.), House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), who is currently leading a bipartisan congressional delegation to Italy, were among those attending by phone.

Obama is slated to deliver a statement on Libya at 2 p.m. Friday. He is scheduled to leave later in the day on a trip to Central and South America.

<snip>

New Jersey Democratic Sen. Robert Menendez, a member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and an outspoken Gaddafi critic who authored last week&#8217;s Senate resolution calling on the Libyan leader to step down, on Friday called for an immediate no-fly zone in coordination with European and/or NATO forces.

<snip>

Here is the full list of participants in Obama&#8217;s meeting:

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.)

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-Md.)

Sen. Carl Levin (D-Mich.)

Sen. Dick Lugar (R-Ind.)

Sen. Saxby Chambliss (R-Ga.)

Rep. Mike Rogers (R-Mich.)

Rep. Dutch Ruppersberger (D-Md.)

House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio)

House Majority Leader Eric Cantor (R-Va.)

House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.)

Sen. Dick Durbin (D-Ill.)

Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.)

Sen. Jon Kyl (R-Ariz.)

Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)

Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)

Rep. Buck McKeon (R-Calif.)

Rep. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-Fla.)

Rep. Howard L. Berman (D-Calif.)

To convene the full House and Senate and have days, probably weeks of debate, and the momentum would have been lost.

All that said, do I think the US should have gotten involved at all? NO. But the people on this board seem uninterested in the repercussions, and more interested in some perceived slight of Congress and adding another notch to their anti-Obama belts.

 

[yota5]

That was an interesting article Maggie. It sounds as though Sonmez, left no stone unturned. Yet there is controversy. Maybe you could explain the following interview with Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio. This article also includes other democratic congressmen, and woman who are upset with the President. Who should we believe, and why should we believe them.

Liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans are furious at President Obama for approving missile strikes on Libya, agreeing for a rare moment that the president should have sought congressional approval and warning that the administration has no "end-game" for its intervention.

Rep. Dennis Kucinich, D-Ohio, an anti-war congressman among those hammering the president, said Monday that the killings by Libyan leader Muammar al-Qaddafi did not merit U.S. military action and accused Obama of skirting the Constitution by going around Congress.

"This is a nightmare," he told Fox News.

Kucinich said Libya presented "no actual or imminent threat to the United States."

Though administration officials have described the U.S. role in Libya as limited, lawmakers on both sides of the aisle have expressed concerns about where the missile strikes could lead next.

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British submarines fired two missiles on Qaddafi's Tripoli compound Sunday. While the British Ministry of Defense said the compound was targeted because of its military significance, the action signaled western forces were looking beyond Qaddafi's primary defense systems as possible targets.

House Armed Services Committee Chairman Buck McKeon, R-Calif., warned that a failure to define the political objectives "risks entrenching the United States in a humanitarian mission whose scope and duration are not known at this point and cannot be controlled by us."

Rep. Candice Miller, R-Mich., called the decision to strike without congressional consent "troubling and unacceptable."

"The president should immediately return home and call Congress back into session so that this action can be fully debated," she said in a statement. Obama is currently in Latin America on a diplomatic tour.

"We have seen uprisings across the Middle East over the last few months and in many instances atrocities have been perpetrated," Miller said. "One now must ask where this administration draws the line."

Though Obama has called for Qaddafi to leave office, the administration insists the current use of force -- which followed the U.N. Security Council approval of a no-fly zone -- is only to stop Qaddafi from killing his own people.

Read more: Lawmakers Angry With Obama Over Libyan Strike, Warn Administration Lacks &#39;End-Game&#39; - FoxNews.com

 

[ekrem]

Liberal Democrats and conservative Republicans are furious at President Obama for approving missile strikes on Libya, agreeing for a rare moment that the president should have sought congressional approval and warning that the administration has no "end-game" for its intervention.

Most important is, that the whole thing completely falls under command of NATO.
It has. Within NATO there are countries opposing the whole Libyan thing and who are pissed at the French general who wants to play 'Generalissimo' by bitchslapping a 3rd world African country on his way to presidential election to get votes from the far right, which is currently polling at 27%.
Setback for Franco-German Relations: Paris and Berlin*at Odds over Libya Operation - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Now that NATO commands this whole thing, there won't be adventurism without "no-end" game.
The French simply wanted to use NATO capabilities in an assisting manner without involving NATO in the political decision of what that "end-game" is.
Despite France itself being a NATO member.
guardian.co.uk

The French wanted to have their own coalition to influence the whole political outcome in Libya. They even incited this whole civil-war thing by recognizing the Rebels. They've tried to split State Authority in Libya and emboldened the Rebels who might have some political aspirations which now have been motivated by political recogniztion (all has nothing to do with UN resolution).

 

[ekrem]

Dubbed the "French general," Nicolas Sarkozy has already annoyed members of Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats and their coalition partner, the business-friendly Free Democrats, by not consulting anyone when he sent his fighter jets to patrol the skies over Libya. Didn't the French president once allow "Brother Colonel" Moammar Gadhafi to pitch his Bedouin tent in Paris, they ask? Perhaps, they add, Monsieur Sarkozy wants that little snippet of information to be quickly forgotten -- along with his cosy relationships with other North African despots. Oh, and he is facing elections next year, as well: A determined military operation to defend human rights might do no harm in that respect.
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The German government considers the military action a mistake, hastily launched without a proper plan. The lack of preparation is, however, compensated for with plenty of rhetoric. France is determined to assume its "role in the face of history," Sarkozy declared. And he went further, cleverly portraying Germany as occupying an outsider role alongside China and Russia. And now Paris also wants to downgrade NATO to the role of a helper rather than giving it command of the operation.

The Paris leadership is getting on the nerves of many in Berlin.

Setback for Franco-German Relations: Paris and Berlin*at Odds over Libya Operation - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International


And not only in Berlin, but in other capitals as well.
Now NATO will command the whole thing, and if France wants to brew own beer in Libya, NATO should shoot down French Airplanes in Libya.

 

[ekrem]

Dubbed the "French general," Nicolas Sarkozy has already annoyed members of Angela Merkel's conservative Christian Democrats and their coalition partner, the business-friendly Free Democrats, by not consulting anyone when he sent his fighter jets to patrol the skies over Libya. Didn't the French president once allow "Brother Colonel" Moammar Gadhafi to pitch his Bedouin tent in Paris, they ask? Perhaps, they add, Monsieur Sarkozy wants that little snippet of information to be quickly forgotten -- along with his cosy relationships with other North African despots. Oh, and he is facing elections next year, as well: A determined military operation to defend human rights might do no harm in that respect.
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The German government considers the military action a mistake, hastily launched without a proper plan. The lack of preparation is, however, compensated for with plenty of rhetoric. France is determined to assume its "role in the face of history," Sarkozy declared. And he went further, cleverly portraying Germany as occupying an outsider role alongside China and Russia. And now Paris also wants to downgrade NATO to the role of a helper rather than giving it command of the operation.

The Paris leadership is getting on the nerves of many in Berlin.

Setback for Franco-German Relations: Paris and Berlin*at Odds over Libya Operation - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International


And not only in Berlin, but in other capitals as well.
Now NATO will command the whole thing, and if France wants to brew own beer in Libya, NATO should shoot down French Airplanes in Libya.

Italy criticises 'intransigent' France over Libya
Italian FM:
"We are not okay with a country deciding this autonomously, without agreeing with the others," he said.
"We think it is difficult that the council [REBELS] can be recognised as the legitimate government for the whole of Libya," he added.
Italy criticises 'intransigent' France over Libya

It was not only Turkey pressing for the whole operation to fall under NATO command, but also Italy with its threat to close her 7 Airbases
NATO to take command of Libya campaign

 

[LibocalypseNow]

If there ever was a War for Oil,this Libyan War is it. It's very sad so many refuse to see this.

 

[ekrem]

Turkey's Izmir confirmed as Nato Libya command center
Turkey's Izmir confirmed as Nato Libya command center | Diplomacy | World Bulletin

Libya: Nato to control no-fly zone after France gives way to Turkey
Libya: Nato to control no-fly zone after France gives way to Turkey | World news | The Guardian

Operation has been limited to 3 months
http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/17369128.asp?gid=373

 

[ekrem]

Sarkozy polls at 19% and has no chance against Marie LePen and the Socialist candidate:
French can't keep the right down

Yesterday, after EU meeting, Sarkozy threatened other Arab countries:
German foreign minister criticizes French threat to Arab rulers

Is Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election campaign setting pace of Libyan action?
Is Nicolas Sarkozy's re-election campaign setting pace of Libyan action? | Politics | guardian.co.uk