Obamacare Mess!

[eagle1462010]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

taking control = higher premiums across the spectrum causing people to drop coverage

taking control = paying nearly the same for high risk coverage when you used to have lower deduct plans

taking control = forced to take these insurance plans with high deducts or not have insurance at all

taking control = no service if you don't have the cash up front for the poor. again, would they have had the 6k?

Obamacare addresses problems, and ignores others................It has done damage, and has done good...........it my case it damaged me and then helped me making me wonder if it helped or hurt me.............either way my insurance is much worse than I had before.................while I may save over the year if I need it I basically pay for a lot of my doctors bill under it.............so until you reach the thresh hold at the Doctors office where bronze kicks in it's on you.............prescription drugs are about the same under Obamacare......I know because it does pay there..............and on x-rays and tests it pays before the deduct...............

But on basic visits.......it's on me now............I pay for the doctors visits...........How would I know this.........because when my daughter went for having a bad cold.........I paid it all. Except for prescriptions.........................

So in my situation..............should I be happy about it..............If I was a DEM..............I'd SAY RAH RAH WE SAVED YOU................In a way you'd be right...........as without the insurance I'd be on the verge of bankruptcy right now If I'd have had to pay for it all....................but it IGNORES that I LOST INSURANCE even at the higher rates.............................

You can't swing a two edged sword without cutting both ways............Should I thank someone for stabbing me in the back and then saving me from bleeding to death.................Obamacare CUT ME BOTH WAYS...............

and that's the deal.

 

[Disir]

The lies won't become fully evidence to the slowly waking masses until next year when premiums get in gear. It was all a parlor trick, you don't get something for nothing. Adding care and bodies is going to cost more, period. It is a wealth redistribution plan more than anything.

I have yet to call to get the bronze plan again.......I'm expecting higher rates.....until we call within the next month I will not know the actual increases..................

Should know within a couple of weeks................but I do know that my rates at work went through the roof because of Obamacare and made it impossible to keep..................

Something those promoting it will not really discuss............even when shown how it has hurt millions in this country to rising rates.............

If you like your plan you can keep your plan..................Was a lie.............as it didn't weigh the added costs of keeping it.

We'll save you 2500......a year..........on my current premiums versus old I am saving that amount for a 60/40 plan versus a 80/20 plan ........had I opted for silver..............the plans would have cost the same as my old insurance rates before Obamacare..............but with a 70/30 plan instead of an 80/20 plan..................YET the out of pocket is the same as the BRONZE PLAN...............6250 deduct per person....per year........max at 12,500 a year...............Deducts way higher than my old plan......................

So what have they suceeded at by passing it in my situation.........lower rates for HIGH DEDUCTS.......High Risk insurance.......more out of pocket for service.................

What has that really fixed......................and to pay for the new laws companies are raising rates across the board.

Uh..........it was discussed a few years ago. There was to be an increase and then leveled off.

 

[eagle1462010]

The lies won't become fully evidence to the slowly waking masses until next year when premiums get in gear. It was all a parlor trick, you don't get something for nothing. Adding care and bodies is going to cost more, period. It is a wealth redistribution plan more than anything.

I have yet to call to get the bronze plan again.......I'm expecting higher rates.....until we call within the next month I will not know the actual increases..................

Should know within a couple of weeks................but I do know that my rates at work went through the roof because of Obamacare and made it impossible to keep..................

Something those promoting it will not really discuss............even when shown how it has hurt millions in this country to rising rates.............

If you like your plan you can keep your plan..................Was a lie.............as it didn't weigh the added costs of keeping it.

We'll save you 2500......a year..........on my current premiums versus old I am saving that amount for a 60/40 plan versus a 80/20 plan ........had I opted for silver..............the plans would have cost the same as my old insurance rates before Obamacare..............but with a 70/30 plan instead of an 80/20 plan..................YET the out of pocket is the same as the BRONZE PLAN...............6250 deduct per person....per year........max at 12,500 a year...............Deducts way higher than my old plan......................

So what have they suceeded at by passing it in my situation.........lower rates for HIGH DEDUCTS.......High Risk insurance.......more out of pocket for service.................

What has that really fixed......................and to pay for the new laws companies are raising rates across the board.

Uh..........it was discussed a few years ago. There was to be an increase and then leveled off.

Leveled off at what. Mount Everest.................as I told you my rates went up over 60%............forcing me out.......................

Small company, so the rate increases are not the same as a bigger one........but you ignored that damage and even ignore it now...........

It has raised rates across the board for all already.............while they are probably half the increase as mine people are paying a price for it............

Uh.......that was also discussed a few years ago as well...........

as was the 30 hour rule.........Uh...........

and now in a few weeks I'll get to find out my new rates of Obamacare............rumor has it I'll be paying more for less again............but wait........I could pay my old rates for SILVER................SILVER IS PRETTY and considered valuable.................Kind of like going to the Olympics............going for GOLD under Obamacare.........like we are competing for medals..........

BUT UH..............the DEDUCTS are the same for each person covered per year to GET THE SILVER MEDAL................$6250 per person per year...............the thresh hold when it kicks being a little lower for basic service.................

Uh...........that was dicussed a few years ago.

 

[Disir]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

taking control = higher premiums across the spectrum causing people to drop coverage

taking control = paying nearly the same for high risk coverage when you used to have lower deduct plans

taking control = forced to take these insurance plans with high deducts or not have insurance at all

taking control = no service if you don't have the cash up front for the poor. again, would they have had the 6k?

Obamacare addresses problems, and ignores others................It has done damage, and has done good...........it my case it damaged me and then helped me making me wonder if it helped or hurt me.............either way my insurance is much worse than I had before.................while I may save over the year if I need it I basically pay for a lot of my doctors bill under it.............so until you reach the thresh hold at the Doctors office where bronze kicks in it's on you.............prescription drugs are about the same under Obamacare......I know because it does pay there..............and on x-rays and tests it pays before the deduct...............

But on basic visits.......it's on me now............I pay for the doctors visits...........How would I know this.........because when my daughter went for having a bad cold.........I paid it all. Except for prescriptions.........................

So in my situation..............should I be happy about it..............If I was a DEM..............I'd SAY RAH RAH WE SAVED YOU................In a way you'd be right...........as without the insurance I'd be on the verge of bankruptcy right now If I'd have had to pay for it all....................but it IGNORES that I LOST INSURANCE even at the higher rates.............................

You can't swing a two edged sword without cutting both ways............Should I thank someone for stabbing me in the back and then saving me from bleeding to death.................Obamacare CUT ME BOTH WAYS...............

and that's the deal.

And the reason that you are against universal health care is.....?

 

[Disir]

The lies won't become fully evidence to the slowly waking masses until next year when premiums get in gear. It was all a parlor trick, you don't get something for nothing. Adding care and bodies is going to cost more, period. It is a wealth redistribution plan more than anything.

I have yet to call to get the bronze plan again.......I'm expecting higher rates.....until we call within the next month I will not know the actual increases..................

Should know within a couple of weeks................but I do know that my rates at work went through the roof because of Obamacare and made it impossible to keep..................

Something those promoting it will not really discuss............even when shown how it has hurt millions in this country to rising rates.............

If you like your plan you can keep your plan..................Was a lie.............as it didn't weigh the added costs of keeping it.

We'll save you 2500......a year..........on my current premiums versus old I am saving that amount for a 60/40 plan versus a 80/20 plan ........had I opted for silver..............the plans would have cost the same as my old insurance rates before Obamacare..............but with a 70/30 plan instead of an 80/20 plan..................YET the out of pocket is the same as the BRONZE PLAN...............6250 deduct per person....per year........max at 12,500 a year...............Deducts way higher than my old plan......................

So what have they suceeded at by passing it in my situation.........lower rates for HIGH DEDUCTS.......High Risk insurance.......more out of pocket for service.................

What has that really fixed......................and to pay for the new laws companies are raising rates across the board.

Uh..........it was discussed a few years ago. There was to be an increase and then leveled off.

Leveled off at what. Mount Everest.................as I told you my rates went up over 60%............forcing me out.......................

Small company, so the rate increases are not the same as a bigger one........but you ignored that damage and even ignore it now...........

It has raised rates across the board for all already.............while they are probably half the increase as mine people are paying a price for it............

Uh.......that was also discussed a few years ago as well...........

as was the 30 hour rule.........Uh...........

and now in a few weeks I'll get to find out my new rates of Obamacare............rumor has it I'll be paying more for less again............but wait........I could pay my old rates for SILVER................SILVER IS PRETTY and considered valuable.................Kind of like going to the Olympics............going for GOLD under Obamacare.........like we are competing for medals..........

BUT UH..............the DEDUCTS are the same for each person covered per year to GET THE SILVER MEDAL................$6250 per person per year...............the thresh hold when it kicks being a little lower for basic service.................

Uh...........that was dicussed a few years ago.

My deductible is extremely high as well. I live in an area with piss poor health care as it is. And your reason for not going for universal health care is.........?

 

[Manonthestreet]

Wont fix anything how bout that.....more of the same

 

[RKMBrown]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

I wanted POS democrats like you to LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. I'm guessing you didn't want to LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE because you need to take the food off my children's table to make your way in life.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz

I'm not a democrat. Try again. Do you have anything more than insane rants?

If not a democrat, what? A communist?

 

[Disir]

Wont fix anything how bout that.....more of the same

Won't fix what?

 

[Disir]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

I wanted POS democrats like you to LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE. I'm guessing you didn't want to LEAVE ME THE HELL ALONE because you need to take the food off my children's table to make your way in life.

ZZZZZZZZZZZZZzz

I'm not a democrat. Try again. Do you have anything more than insane rants?

If not a democrat, what? A communist?

Wrong answer. Try again.

 

[Manonthestreet]

right answer try being honest

 

[eagle1462010]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

taking control = higher premiums across the spectrum causing people to drop coverage

taking control = paying nearly the same for high risk coverage when you used to have lower deduct plans

taking control = forced to take these insurance plans with high deducts or not have insurance at all

taking control = no service if you don't have the cash up front for the poor. again, would they have had the 6k?

Obamacare addresses problems, and ignores others................It has done damage, and has done good...........it my case it damaged me and then helped me making me wonder if it helped or hurt me.............either way my insurance is much worse than I had before.................while I may save over the year if I need it I basically pay for a lot of my doctors bill under it.............so until you reach the thresh hold at the Doctors office where bronze kicks in it's on you.............prescription drugs are about the same under Obamacare......I know because it does pay there..............and on x-rays and tests it pays before the deduct...............

But on basic visits.......it's on me now............I pay for the doctors visits...........How would I know this.........because when my daughter went for having a bad cold.........I paid it all. Except for prescriptions.........................

So in my situation..............should I be happy about it..............If I was a DEM..............I'd SAY RAH RAH WE SAVED YOU................In a way you'd be right...........as without the insurance I'd be on the verge of bankruptcy right now If I'd have had to pay for it all....................but it IGNORES that I LOST INSURANCE even at the higher rates.............................

You can't swing a two edged sword without cutting both ways............Should I thank someone for stabbing me in the back and then saving me from bleeding to death.................Obamacare CUT ME BOTH WAYS...............

and that's the deal.

And the reason that you are against universal health care is.....?

TAKE 2 VA problems and get back to me in the morning..............working real well there isn't it..............People dying to get care..........................and have been for a long time..................

and it leads to what you really want..........and Obamacare was to get the foot in the door.............to IGNORE the damage it does..............To later propose the only way to fix it.............is Universal Care.......................

Riddle me this................My wife is disabled.............we haven't applied...............even though it would help us financially...........and even though all of her doctors are saying to do it.....................why would I not do it then.....................

We have contemplated it again..............but but but...........We don't get to keep our current doctor under Medicare if we get it..............We must choose new Doctors.............and god forbid a new surgeon if she needs more surgery...........HOPEFULLY NOT.............but we didn't want to have to go to a select list of DOCS for this........we wanted the best...........because we know others who have used him...............

Not available under Medicare...............because he only does Surgery at one hospital...........and that is not allowed under Medicaid..............if we go the Disability route....................

That is a form of Universal Care...........Where it limits who you can see already.............before Obamacare was even around.................

So for now...........we weigh our options and OPT OUT of DISABILITY.........yet it is still on the table..............

These are the things you IGNORE UNDER UNIVERSAL CARE..............as you IGNORE THE DAMAGING SIDE OF OBAMACARE............

 

[Disir]

right answer try being honest

The right answer is that outside of your socialism response-you have nothing. The biggest argument that you can come up with is um communism. Thanks for playing. Have a great day.

 

[RKMBrown]

right answer try being honest

The right answer is that outside of your socialism response-you have nothing. The biggest argument that you can come up with is um communism. Thanks for playing. Have a great day.

Marxism? You pick the word, but don't pretend it's some form of free market capitalism, cause it's not.

 

[Disir]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

taking control = higher premiums across the spectrum causing people to drop coverage

taking control = paying nearly the same for high risk coverage when you used to have lower deduct plans

taking control = forced to take these insurance plans with high deducts or not have insurance at all

taking control = no service if you don't have the cash up front for the poor. again, would they have had the 6k?

Obamacare addresses problems, and ignores others................It has done damage, and has done good...........it my case it damaged me and then helped me making me wonder if it helped or hurt me.............either way my insurance is much worse than I had before.................while I may save over the year if I need it I basically pay for a lot of my doctors bill under it.............so until you reach the thresh hold at the Doctors office where bronze kicks in it's on you.............prescription drugs are about the same under Obamacare......I know because it does pay there..............and on x-rays and tests it pays before the deduct...............

But on basic visits.......it's on me now............I pay for the doctors visits...........How would I know this.........because when my daughter went for having a bad cold.........I paid it all. Except for prescriptions.........................

So in my situation..............should I be happy about it..............If I was a DEM..............I'd SAY RAH RAH WE SAVED YOU................In a way you'd be right...........as without the insurance I'd be on the verge of bankruptcy right now If I'd have had to pay for it all....................but it IGNORES that I LOST INSURANCE even at the higher rates.............................

You can't swing a two edged sword without cutting both ways............Should I thank someone for stabbing me in the back and then saving me from bleeding to death.................Obamacare CUT ME BOTH WAYS...............

and that's the deal.

And the reason that you are against universal health care is.....?

TAKE 2 VA problems and get back to me in the morning..............working real well there isn't it..............People dying to get care..........................and have been for a long time..................

and it leads to what you really want..........and Obamacare was to get the foot in the door.............to IGNORE the damage it does..............To later propose the only way to fix it.............is Universal Care.......................

Riddle me this................My wife is disabled.............we haven't applied...............even though it would help us financially...........and even though all of her doctors are saying to do it.....................why would I not do it then.....................

We have contemplated it again..............but but but...........We don't get to keep our current doctor under Medicare if we get it..............We must choose new Doctors.............and god forbid a new surgeon if she needs more surgery...........HOPEFULLY NOT.............but we didn't want to have to go to a select list of DOCS for this........we wanted the best...........because we know others who have used him...............

Not available under Medicare...............because he only does Surgery at one hospital...........and that is not allowed under Medicaid..............if we go the Disability route....................

That is a form of Universal Care...........Where it limits who you can see already.............before Obamacare was even around.................

So for now...........we weigh our options and OPT OUT of DISABILITY.........yet it is still on the table..............

These are the things you IGNORE UNDER UNIVERSAL CARE..............as you IGNORE THE DAMAGING SIDE OF OBAMACARE............

My dad is a vet. Try again. That isn't an answer.

 

[Disir]

right answer try being honest

The right answer is that outside of your socialism response-you have nothing. The biggest argument that you can come up with is um communism. Thanks for playing. Have a great day.

Marxism? You pick the word, but don't pretend it's some form of free market capitalism, cause it's not.

What else do you have?

 

[Manonthestreet]

right answer try being honest

The right answer is that outside of your socialism response-you have nothing. The biggest argument that you can come up with is um communism. Thanks for playing. Have a great day.

Talk about one trick pony........standard dis ....ummmm ummm wrong try again.......pathetic

 

[eagle1462010]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

taking control = higher premiums across the spectrum causing people to drop coverage

taking control = paying nearly the same for high risk coverage when you used to have lower deduct plans

taking control = forced to take these insurance plans with high deducts or not have insurance at all

taking control = no service if you don't have the cash up front for the poor. again, would they have had the 6k?

Obamacare addresses problems, and ignores others................It has done damage, and has done good...........it my case it damaged me and then helped me making me wonder if it helped or hurt me.............either way my insurance is much worse than I had before.................while I may save over the year if I need it I basically pay for a lot of my doctors bill under it.............so until you reach the thresh hold at the Doctors office where bronze kicks in it's on you.............prescription drugs are about the same under Obamacare......I know because it does pay there..............and on x-rays and tests it pays before the deduct...............

But on basic visits.......it's on me now............I pay for the doctors visits...........How would I know this.........because when my daughter went for having a bad cold.........I paid it all. Except for prescriptions.........................

So in my situation..............should I be happy about it..............If I was a DEM..............I'd SAY RAH RAH WE SAVED YOU................In a way you'd be right...........as without the insurance I'd be on the verge of bankruptcy right now If I'd have had to pay for it all....................but it IGNORES that I LOST INSURANCE even at the higher rates.............................

You can't swing a two edged sword without cutting both ways............Should I thank someone for stabbing me in the back and then saving me from bleeding to death.................Obamacare CUT ME BOTH WAYS...............

and that's the deal.

And the reason that you are against universal health care is.....?

TAKE 2 VA problems and get back to me in the morning..............working real well there isn't it..............People dying to get care..........................and have been for a long time..................

and it leads to what you really want..........and Obamacare was to get the foot in the door.............to IGNORE the damage it does..............To later propose the only way to fix it.............is Universal Care.......................

Riddle me this................My wife is disabled.............we haven't applied...............even though it would help us financially...........and even though all of her doctors are saying to do it.....................why would I not do it then.....................

We have contemplated it again..............but but but...........We don't get to keep our current doctor under Medicare if we get it..............We must choose new Doctors.............and god forbid a new surgeon if she needs more surgery...........HOPEFULLY NOT.............but we didn't want to have to go to a select list of DOCS for this........we wanted the best...........because we know others who have used him...............

Not available under Medicare...............because he only does Surgery at one hospital...........and that is not allowed under Medicaid..............if we go the Disability route....................

That is a form of Universal Care...........Where it limits who you can see already.............before Obamacare was even around.................

So for now...........we weigh our options and OPT OUT of DISABILITY.........yet it is still on the table..............

These are the things you IGNORE UNDER UNIVERSAL CARE..............as you IGNORE THE DAMAGING SIDE OF OBAMACARE............

My dad is a vet. Try again. That isn't an answer.

I'm a Vet......My son's a Vet.........and guess what..........after getting out he applied for the programmed health Insurance under the veterans insurance plan for member who got out during the War..........Under that plan he got FREE INSURANCE...........Yep............FREE.................

He needed it once............he kicked a stump and broke his small toe................so he got out the numbers and called the VA and asked what to do..................Can I see a DOCTOR for my possible broken toe..............

They said they could schedule an appointment for him a month down the road..........but he said I think it's broken...............so they said...........go to the VA HOSPITAL 3 hours away from where we live................

and check in and if they are not crowded they may or may not see you.................THAT IS WHAT THE VA SAID DSIR............

Do you want to know what I said DSIR...............Fuck the VA...........I took him to our doctor and paid for it...........He had a clean small break and they taped the toe together..............Went back a couple of weeks later to re xray and the break was healing clean by taping it together...............

It wasn't worth the drive to go to the VA hospital and wait forever, TO MAYBE GET SEEN as told to my son by the VA..............

So rather than deal with that BS we went down the road and dealt with it ourself...................

He has to date not used this insurance whatsoever.

 

[eagle1462010]

Veterans Eligibility - Health Benefits

• Were discharged from the military because of a disability (not preexisting), early out, or hardship.

• Previous years' household income is below VA's National Income or Geographical-Adjusted Thresholds.

 

[eagle1462010]

Riddle me this....................Will DSIR own up to the damage done by Obamacare????????????????

Will she OWN UP to knowing that it has major flaws even though her own side knows it??????????

What needs to be fixed with it DSIR????????????? or is it just dandy as it is??????????

Uh...........your only answer at ignoring the damage is Universal Care or European style health care..............

 

[eagle1462010]

Intermission music as DSIR refuses to acknowledge the damage done..........