Obamacare Mess!

[Disir]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

 

[007]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

Likewise.

 

[eagle1462010]

What pisses me off is the medical treatment for me but not for thee attitude.

If you had an ambulance service that was owned at the local level by a town or a county and it was sold off to a privately owned company, the cost of an ambulance doubled. Further, they don't have to respond as quickly. So, where was the eyeballing of the contracts at that time? No? So, that's an easy grand right there.

When you walk into the ER that's another how much? In some locations it is necessary to sign yourself in and wait. So, anybody have a recent bill for the pleasure of sitting in the waiting room?

For the ambulance ride, tests and service it was 6k...........yet it was a crowded night so they put her in a wheel chair and carted her into the waiting room...........No Iv's even though she was white as a ghost.........as I already said they couldn't get the iv started in the ambulance.........

We waited 4 hours for service in this condition............

and some of those in front of us had a sprained ankle..........and low and behold a man being arrested was taken in front of us...........with police escort..........he didn't even look sick...........was escorted after being checked out by 2 police officers in hand cuffs.................

The medical service at that hospital sucked..........and the surgery was needed then and there but the Doctor said he had other priorities that night and my wife's surgery even though needed wasn't going to happen.

So, we are still paying 6k for an ambulance ride.............2 iv's , a sonogram............which verified blockage.............and a prescription that we filled for anti biotics on the way home.

 

[Disir]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

The next time you see an 80 year old that is being taken to a hospital in an ambulance. You be sure and tell them that the ambulance increase is because of your fear of communism.

 

[Disir]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

Likewise.

You have nothing but the insane ramblings of someone that has no clue what communism and tyranny is all about.

 

[007]

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

The next time you see an 80 year old that is being taken to a hospital in an ambulance. You be sure and tell them that the ambulance increase is because of your fear of communism.

The next time the government forces you to buy something, you tell everyone you're good with that.

 

[007]

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

Likewise.

You have nothing but the insane ramblings of someone that has no clue what communism and tyranny is all about.

Your pretending obamacare is some sort of across the board miracle for everyone is pure ignorance, stupidity and apathy.

Are you one of the stupid people Gruber is referring to?

 

[Disir]

What pisses me off is the medical treatment for me but not for thee attitude.

If you had an ambulance service that was owned at the local level by a town or a county and it was sold off to a privately owned company, the cost of an ambulance doubled. Further, they don't have to respond as quickly. So, where was the eyeballing of the contracts at that time? No? So, that's an easy grand right there.

When you walk into the ER that's another how much? In some locations it is necessary to sign yourself in and wait. So, anybody have a recent bill for the pleasure of sitting in the waiting room?

For the ambulance ride, tests and service it was 6k...........yet it was a crowded night so they put her in a wheel chair and carted her into the waiting room...........No Iv's even though she was white as a ghost.........as I already said they couldn't get the iv started in the ambulance.........

We waited 4 hours for service in this condition............

and some of those in front of us had a sprained ankle..........and low and behold a man being arrested was taken in front of us...........with police escort..........he didn't even look sick...........was escorted after being checked out by 2 police officers in hand cuffs.................

The medical service at that hospital sucked..........and the surgery was needed then and there but the Doctor said he had other priorities that night and my wife's surgery even though needed wasn't going to happen.

So, we are still paying 6k for an ambulance ride.............2 iv's , a sonogram............which verified blockage.............and a prescription that we filled for anti biotics on the way home.

Yep. My dad just had a heart attack and spent 6 hours waiting

You had ample time to come up with changes. You did not acknowledge the states that opted not to expand medicaid. Nor did you acknowledge the states that came up with their own plan.

I wanted universal health care. I'm guessing you didn't want that either.

What is this "YOU had ample time to come up with changes" HORSE SHIT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the LOCKED DOORS in which obamacare was written behind?

Do you NOT REMEMBER the revisions put forth by republicans that were FLAT REJECTED by DEMOCRATS?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare was passed without the MAJORITY of people even READING IT?

Do you NOT REMEMBER that obamacare pasted with FULL DEMOCRAT SUPPORT, and not ONE REPUBLICAN VOTE?

Now can you say anything more STUPID if you TRY?

For Christ sake, you have to be some kind of absolute fucking MORON... either that a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR.

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

The next time you see an 80 year old that is being taken to a hospital in an ambulance. You be sure and tell them that the ambulance increase is because of your fear of communism.

The next time the government forces you to buy something, you tell everyone you're good with that.

Grow up!

 

[Disir]

Do you remember single payer being taken off the table?

Prior to Obamacare, what was put forth?

I'll wait.

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

Likewise.

You have nothing but the insane ramblings of someone that has no clue what communism and tyranny is all about.

Your pretending obamacare is some sort of miracle is pure ignorance, stupidity and apathyl

Are you one of the stupid people Gruber is referring to?

Go back and read my posts.

 

[007]

Do you know what COMMUNISM IS?

Do you know what TYRANNY IS?

Do you know that the government isn't supposed to be able to FORCE YOU TO BUY SOMETHING, but yet HERE WE ARE?

Do you know that the thanks is all due to DEMOCRATS AND OBAMA?

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

Likewise.

You have nothing but the insane ramblings of someone that has no clue what communism and tyranny is all about.

Your pretending obamacare is some sort of miracle is pure ignorance, stupidity and apathyl

Are you one of the stupid people Gruber is referring to?

Go back and read my posts.

Go back and read mine.

 

[Disir]

I'll take that as a no, you don't know.

Likewise.

You have nothing but the insane ramblings of someone that has no clue what communism and tyranny is all about.

Your pretending obamacare is some sort of miracle is pure ignorance, stupidity and apathyl

Are you one of the stupid people Gruber is referring to?

Go back and read my posts.

Go back and read mine.

Except that your answer is in my prior posts.

 

[Manonthestreet]

For more significant medical needs, such as surgical care, go to a facility that provides up-front ‘package’ pricing for patients paying in cash, like the Surgery Center of Oklahoma and Regency Healthcare. These facilities offer real prices that are typically much less than what most hospitals charge. You can also use a service like MediBid, where doctors bid on providing your treatment. How To Opt Out Of Obamacare

 

[Iceweasel]

The lies won't become fully evidence to the slowly waking masses until next year when premiums get in gear. It was all a parlor trick, you don't get something for nothing. Adding care and bodies is going to cost more, period. It is a wealth redistribution plan more than anything.

 

[007]

The lies won't become fully evidence to the slowly waking masses until next year when premiums get in gear. It was all a parlor trick, you don't get something for nothing. Adding care and bodies is going to cost more, period. It is a wealth redistribution plan more than anything.

Not to mention government taking control over a very large portion of the economy, and no politician loves that more than a socialist, "we have to spread the wealth around," democrat.

 

[Disir]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

 

[eagle1462010]

The lies won't become fully evidence to the slowly waking masses until next year when premiums get in gear. It was all a parlor trick, you don't get something for nothing. Adding care and bodies is going to cost more, period. It is a wealth redistribution plan more than anything.

I have yet to call to get the bronze plan again.......I'm expecting higher rates.....until we call within the next month I will not know the actual increases..................

Should know within a couple of weeks................but I do know that my rates at work went through the roof because of Obamacare and made it impossible to keep..................

Something those promoting it will not really discuss............even when shown how it has hurt millions in this country to rising rates.............

If you like your plan you can keep your plan..................Was a lie.............as it didn't weigh the added costs of keeping it.

We'll save you 2500......a year..........on my current premiums versus old I am saving that amount for a 60/40 plan versus a 80/20 plan ........had I opted for silver..............the plans would have cost the same as my old insurance rates before Obamacare..............but with a 70/30 plan instead of an 80/20 plan..................YET the out of pocket is the same as the BRONZE PLAN...............6250 deduct per person....per year........max at 12,500 a year...............Deducts way higher than my old plan......................

So what have they suceeded at by passing it in my situation.........lower rates for HIGH DEDUCTS.......High Risk insurance.......more out of pocket for service.................

What has that really fixed......................and to pay for the new laws companies are raising rates across the board.

 

[AtticusF]

I work in medical billing so I see the end result of Obamacare. People did not read the fine print. Deductibles are running anywhere from $2,500 to $6,000. Because the deductibles are so high, patients are being made to pay for their MRIs, CTs and bloodwork up front so patients aren't getting their ordered tests and aren't returning for followup visits when they need them. Federal employees have the best healthcare available through Federal Blueshield. No deductibles! Low or no copays! Everyone in DC who composed Obamacare does not have to participate in it! I could not believe it when it passed! Doctors and diagnostic facilities have no choice but to collect all of their money up front because the patients are not going to pay their bills! It is forcing many doctorst to retire early. My healtcare plan does not have any coverage for preventative care! No annual GYN visit. No checkup, no preventative bloodwork screening! They will give me coverage for a stroke, heart attack or cancer treatments once they develop. I just can't check to see if I have a problem developing! Wake up America! I agree for their needs to be change but not this. EVERYONE SHOULD BE MADE TO PARTICIPATE IN OBAMACARE, INCLUDING OBAMA! They are our REPRESENTATIVES and should not be treated any differently than the general population. Gruber knew exactly what he was doing and should be made to participate in it as well. If an illegal alien goes into a hospital, their bill is written off as "charity". A legal, tax paying citizen of the U.S. will be made to pay their deductible and balance on their hospital bill or be sent to collections! Prisoners get their healthcare for free! Many who are getting insurance for free have no intention of returning to work! And remember America, your taxes are due on April 15th or the IRS is coming after you with penalties! If you are illegal, you don't have to pay any taxes or penalties!

Yep, the GOP -- who are now in control -- should act immediately to remove high deductibles/copays for lower income individuals. But instead of improving Obamacare for the majority of citizens, they will try to repeal it. And, yes we can afford it.

As to "illegals" -- quickest way to solve that problem is make those who have been here awhile working hard, "legal." That's what Obama is proposing, but the white wingers won't have it.

 

[Manonthestreet]

Case you havent noticed regulating something has no meaning anymore, I give you the banking and financial industry. Regulated to the max none of it enforced.

 

[Iceweasel]

Taking control=regulating an industry that bankrupts people and denies treatment.

That can't deny treatment if it's in the contract.

 

[Manonthestreet]

ITs going to come down to Americans refusing to participate in this