Obamacare Kicks In and American Life Expectancy...DROPS

[GaryDog]

Have you considered the drug epidemic among the poor and the lost souls who now look to Donald as their savior? These are the people dying. Excerpt from 'Hillbilly Elegy.'

"We can't trust the evening news. We can't trust our politicians. Our universities, the gateway to a better life, are rigged against us. We can't get jobs. You can't believe these things and participate meaningfully in society. Social psychologists have shown that group belief is a powerful motivator in performance. When groups perceive that it's in their interest to work hard and achieve things, members of that group outperform other similarly situated individuals. It's obvious why: If you believe that hard work pays off, then you work hard; if you think it's hard to get ahead even when you try, then why try at all?

Similarly, when people do fail, this mind-set allows them to look outward. I once ran into an old acquaintance at a Middletown bar who told me that he had recently quit his job because he was sick of waking up early. I later saw him complaining on Facebook about the "Obama economy" and how it had affected his life. I don't doubt that the Obama economy has affected many, but this man is assuredly not among them. His status in life is directly attributable to the choices he's made, and his life will improve only through better decisions. But for him to make better choices, he needs to live in an environment that forces him to ask tough questions about himself There is a cultural movement in the white working class to blame problems on society or the government, and that movement gains adherents by the day.

Here is where the rhetoric of modern conservatives (and I say this as one of them) fails to meet the real challenges of their biggest constituents. Instead of encouraging engagement, conservatives increasingly foment the kind of detachment that has sapped the ambition of so many of my peers. I have watched some friends blossom into successful adults and others fall victim to the worst of Middletown's temptations-premature parenthood, drugs, incarceration. What separates the successful from the unsuccessful are the expectations that they had for their own lives. Yet the message of the right is increasingly: It's not your fault that you're a loser; it's the government's fault."

And for the readers this Christmas and Holiday.

'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
'Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right' by Jane Mayer
'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Isenberg
'Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis' by J. D. Vance

Don't forget the black community. They're killing each other over drugs & car rims & Nikes

Actually, black people's life expectancy rose.

 

[GaryDog]

This is hardly new.

When Obamacare was forced on us, suddenly people had to pay out of pocket for ALL exams, procedures, etc., until they had paid out a LOT of money. Then Obamacare payments would finally start trickling out.

The result was that, although more people "had coverage" (as Obama was quick to brag), the fact is that most of them stopped using it, and started refusing procedures their doctor recommended. So they got LESS overall care, and some started dying earlier.

There's ZERO evidence to support this theory.

Here's the actual cause:
Why Are So Many Middle-Aged White Americans Dying?

The authors of that study attributed the trend to what we called “despair deaths:” mainly suicides, drug overdoses, and alcohol-related liver disease.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

Have you considered the drug epidemic among the poor and the lost souls who now look to Donald as their savior? These are the people dying. Excerpt from 'Hillbilly Elegy.'

"We can't trust the evening news. We can't trust our politicians. Our universities, the gateway to a better life, are rigged against us. We can't get jobs. You can't believe these things and participate meaningfully in society. Social psychologists have shown that group belief is a powerful motivator in performance. When groups perceive that it's in their interest to work hard and achieve things, members of that group outperform other similarly situated individuals. It's obvious why: If you believe that hard work pays off, then you work hard; if you think it's hard to get ahead even when you try, then why try at all?

Similarly, when people do fail, this mind-set allows them to look outward. I once ran into an old acquaintance at a Middletown bar who told me that he had recently quit his job because he was sick of waking up early. I later saw him complaining on Facebook about the "Obama economy" and how it had affected his life. I don't doubt that the Obama economy has affected many, but this man is assuredly not among them. His status in life is directly attributable to the choices he's made, and his life will improve only through better decisions. But for him to make better choices, he needs to live in an environment that forces him to ask tough questions about himself There is a cultural movement in the white working class to blame problems on society or the government, and that movement gains adherents by the day.

Here is where the rhetoric of modern conservatives (and I say this as one of them) fails to meet the real challenges of their biggest constituents. Instead of encouraging engagement, conservatives increasingly foment the kind of detachment that has sapped the ambition of so many of my peers. I have watched some friends blossom into successful adults and others fall victim to the worst of Middletown's temptations-premature parenthood, drugs, incarceration. What separates the successful from the unsuccessful are the expectations that they had for their own lives. Yet the message of the right is increasingly: It's not your fault that you're a loser; it's the government's fault."

And for the readers this Christmas and Holiday.

'Invisible Hands: The Businessmen's Crusade Against the New Deal' Kim Phillips-Fein
'Dark Money: The Hidden History of the Billionaires Behind the Rise of the Radical Right' by Jane Mayer
'White Trash: The 400-Year Untold History of Class in America' by Nancy Isenberg
'Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis' by J. D. Vance

Don't forget the black community. They're killing each other over drugs & car rims & Nikes

Actually, black people's life expectancy rose.

As did their murder rate.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

This is hardly new.

When Obamacare was forced on us, suddenly people had to pay out of pocket for ALL exams, procedures, etc., until they had paid out a LOT of money. Then Obamacare payments would finally start trickling out.

The result was that, although more people "had coverage" (as Obama was quick to brag), the fact is that most of them stopped using it, and started refusing procedures their doctor recommended. So they got LESS overall care, and some started dying earlier.

There's ZERO evidence to support this theory.

Here's the actual cause:
Why Are So Many Middle-Aged White Americans Dying?

The authors of that study attributed the trend to what we called “despair deaths:” mainly suicides, drug overdoses, and alcohol-related liver disease.

From your referenced "source":

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."


Sounds just like one of them thar Hellary gonna win polls.

 

[Remodeling Maidiac]

This is hardly new.

When Obamacare was forced on us, suddenly people had to pay out of pocket for ALL exams, procedures, etc., until they had paid out a LOT of money. Then Obamacare payments would finally start trickling out.

The result was that, although more people "had coverage" (as Obama was quick to brag), the fact is that most of them stopped using it, and started refusing procedures their doctor recommended. So they got LESS overall care, and some started dying earlier.

There's ZERO evidence to support this theory.

Here's the actual cause:
Why Are So Many Middle-Aged White Americans Dying?

The authors of that study attributed the trend to what we called “despair deaths:” mainly suicides, drug overdoses, and alcohol-related liver disease.

From your referenced "source":

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."


Sounds just like one of them thar Hellary gonna win polls.

Lol

REKT

 

[Coyote]

Another high end democRATic success story.

That's right, ratz. Another failure for you...and you only...not a single Republican vote.

U.S. life expectancy declines for the first time since 1993

It's important people understand that the results of, if not the goal of socialism, is to reduce everyone to the lowest common denominator. Life expectancy is not an exception to the rule.

Actually, it's important for people to understand that life expectancy is altered by events playing out over a long period of time - not a short term change like ACA which has yet to affect that particular statistic.

But...goodness, let's keep up the false narrative.

 

[TheDude]

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."

]Tough to told the truth, puppy.

In English please?

 

[JakeStarkey]

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."

Tough to told the truth, puppy.

And Churchill never said that. TheDude said that.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."

Tough to told the truth, puppy.

And Churchill never said that. TheDude said that.

Quoting sources that refuse to be competently reviewed and refuse to release the data is not providing proof. Much like your typical protestations.

 

[Coyote]

This is hardly new.

When Obamacare was forced on us, suddenly people had to pay out of pocket for ALL exams, procedures, etc., until they had paid out a LOT of money. Then Obamacare payments would finally start trickling out.

The result was that, although more people "had coverage" (as Obama was quick to brag), the fact is that most of them stopped using it, and started refusing procedures their doctor recommended. So they got LESS overall care, and some started dying earlier.

There is no evidence to support that.

US life expectancy falls, as many kinds of death increase

It was led by an unusual upturn in the death rate from the nation's leading killer, heart disease. Death rates also increased for chronic lower lung disease, accidental injuries, stroke, Alzheimer's disease, diabetes, kidney disease and suicide.

The only clear drop was in cancer, the nation's No. 2 killer.

Experts aren't sure what's behind the stall. Some, like Olshansky, suspect obesity, an underlying factor in some of the largest causes of death, particularly heart disease.

But there's also the impact of rising drug overdoses and suicides, he noted. "There are a lot of things happening at the same time," he said.​

Also, this might be a blip not a trend, though it's important to pay attention to it:

Now, there's a chance that the latest data, from 2015, could be just a one-time blip. In fact, a preliminary analysis from the first two quarters of 2016 suggests that may be the case, says Robert Anderson, chief of the mortality statistics branch at the National Center for Health Statistics, which released the new report.

..."When you see increases in so many of the leading causes of death, it's difficult to pinpoint one particular cause as the culprit," Anderson says.



The obesity epidemic could be playing a role in the increase in deaths from heart disease, strokes, diabetes and possibly Alzheimer's. It could also be that doctors have reached the limit of what they can do to fight heart disease with current treatments.


The epidemic of prescription opioid painkillers and heroin abuse is probably fueling the increase in unintentional injuries, Arun Hendi, a demographer at Duke University, wrote in an email. The rise in drug abuse and suicide could be due to economic factors causing despair.


"Clearly, that could be related to the economic circumstances that many Americans have experienced in the last eight years, or so, since the recession," says Irma Elo, a sociologist at the University of Pennsylvania.​

What is happening is we are starting to see the long term effects of obesity on our younger population since many of those illness are influenced by obesity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."

Tough to told the truth, puppy.

And Churchill never said that. TheDude said that.

Quoting sources that refuse to be competently reviewed and refuse to release the data is not providing proof. Much like your typical protestations.

Nonsense. He who makes the assertion has to provide the proof. The report was not peer-reviewed. Winston Churchill did not say it. Your assertion is meaningless, as is almost all Alt Right and Far Right propaganda.

 

[guno]

Another high end democRATic success story.

That's right, ratz. Another failure for you...and you only...not a single Republican vote.

U.S. life expectancy declines for the first time since 1993

Nope, the only group dying off is uneducated white people , for the past few decades. Everyone else are doing fine

The Dying Republican Base

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

"The report was not published in a peer-reviewed journal, and its raw data was not made available."

Tough to told the truth, puppy.

And Churchill never said that. TheDude said that.

Quoting sources that refuse to be competently reviewed and refuse to release the data is not providing proof. Much like your typical protestations.

Nonsense. He who makes the assertion has to provide the proof. The report was not peer-reviewed. Winston Churchill did not say it. Your assertion is meaningless, as is almost all Alt Right and Far Right propaganda.

I'm not even talking about Sir Winston, you brainless Snowflake. Focus...Hellary and the rest of you got kicked to the curb.

 

[JakeStarkey]

]

I'm not even talking about Sir Winston, you brainless Snowflake. Focus...Hellary and the rest of you got kicked to the curb.

See, you brainless Snowflake, you can't address any of the OP and various points. Trump must satisfy the will of the great majority, which rejected him, or they will Nixonize him.

 

[ZZ PUPPS]

]

I'm not even talking about Sir Winston, you brainless Snowflake. Focus...Hellary and the rest of you got kicked to the curb.

See, you brainless Snowflake, you can't address any of the OP and various points. Trump must satisfy the will of the great majority, which rejected him, or they will Nixonize him.

PUPPS IS THE OP you ignorant clod snowflake.

ROFLMAO

 

[Coyote]

Kids....*cough*....let's stay on topic here...

 

[JakeStarkey]

]

I'm not even talking about Sir Winston, you brainless Snowflake. Focus...Hellary and the rest of you got kicked to the curb.

See, you brainless Snowflake, you can't address any of the OP and various points. Trump must satisfy the will of the great majority, which rejected him, or they will Nixonize him.

PUPPS IS THE OP you ignorant clod snowflake.

ROFLMAO

You are such a Foolish Child. OP also stands Opening Premise. And that sucks badly.

 

[Coyote]

]

I'm not even talking about Sir Winston, you brainless Snowflake. Focus...Hellary and the rest of you got kicked to the curb.

See, you brainless Snowflake, you can't address any of the OP and various points. Trump must satisfy the will of the great majority, which rejected him, or they will Nixonize him.

PUPPS IS THE OP you ignorant clod snowflake.

ROFLMAO

You are such a Foolish Child. OP also stands Opening Premise. And that sucks badly.

*cough* Jakie...it also stands for Opening Poster

 

[Meathead]

Another high end democRATic success story.

That's right, ratz. Another failure for you...and you only...not a single Republican vote.

U.S. life expectancy declines for the first time since 1993

It truly does beg the question as to why life expectancy has dropped. Why would Obamacare do that?