Obama was wrong - 14,000 people do not lose Health Insurance every day

[Old Rocks]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt

Reading for comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it.


That says promote, not provide.

Of course the government does not provide health care, military budgets, or Social Security. We, the tax payers provide all of those things with the taxes we pay. The government promotes the structure that collects the taxes and provide the disbursement of the money to the sytems that we, as a representative government, have put into place.

 

[Oddball]

You really ought to be more careful about stealing the words of others and attributing them to yourself.

As soon as you can name the federal program that has delivered what it promised for what it was projected to cost, I'm all ears.....But you can't.

Really Dude? Show me where I attributed them to myself? I was merely stating my opinion with a phrase that I had attributed to P.J before I changed my signature. Also, I didn't know anyone had an ownership of words. Is it the Government? If so, Communism!

Oh, Oh, I got one! The Post Office!

It's not your thought, and you were barely off your momma's tit when both Reagan and O'Rourke said what they did, so "your thoughts" are in fact not your own.

And if the best example you can come up with as evidence of "efficiency" is the post office, that exists as proof of both how ignorant and desperate you are.

Care to attempt to come up with something just a little more contemporary??

 

[Oddball]

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union,
establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common
defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to
ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the
United States of America.

http://www.usconstitution.net/const.txt

Reading for comprehension really isn't your strong suit, is it.


That says promote, not provide.

Of course the government does not provide health care, military budgets, or Social Security. We, the tax payers provide all of those things with the taxes we pay. The government promotes the structure that collects the taxes and provide the disbursement of the money to the sytems that we, as a representative government, have put into place.

The most amusing thing about that steaming heap of linguistic bullshit is that you actually believe it.

Somewhere, both Orwell and Rand are giggling their asses off.

 

[Modbert]

It's not your thought, and you were barely off your momma's tit when both Reagan and O'Rourke said what they did, so "your thoughts" are in fact not your own.

And if the best example you can come up with as evidence of "efficiency" is the post office, that exists as proof of both how ignorant and desperate you are.

Care to attempt to come up with something just a little more contemporary??

Who are you? The thought police? Honestly, are you stupid? You really think Reagan and O'Rourke were the first ones to come up with those ideas? You don't think they got them from someone else?

And I said the post office with a laugh as a joke, I guess being on the right kills your sense of humor huh?

 

[garyd]

Okay ever check out what Cobra covers? Hint it isn't just major medical. If you are in the 25 to 40 range you can get major medical for a hell of a lot less than 260 a month. Major medical would be like cancer or a heart attack and not much else. It's the only health insurance anyone making above about 60 grand a year really needs.

My insurance at work is mandated by law to cover a whole host of service I will never use. Viagra, birth control pills, sex reassignmnet surgery you name it's likely in their somewhere. That's why between what I pay out of pocket and what my employer pays the total is well over a grand a year.

Oh and Robert you do not promote the general welfare by taking from one and giving to another. You penalize one and profit the other.

 

[Modbert]

I know Obama signed something to help make COBRA more affordable back in February. However, one of the major problems with COBRA always has been the cost of paying for the full premium.

It never made much sense to me to be honest. You just lost your job, a lot of the time your only form of income, how are you going to pay for the full cost of premiums?

 

[Oddball]

It's not your thought, and you were barely off your momma's tit when both Reagan and O'Rourke said what they did, so "your thoughts" are in fact not your own.

And if the best example you can come up with as evidence of "efficiency" is the post office, that exists as proof of both how ignorant and desperate you are.

Care to attempt to come up with something just a little more contemporary??

Who are you? The thought police? Honestly, are you stupid? You really think Reagan and O'Rourke were the first ones to come up with those ideas? You don't think they got them from someone else?

And I said the post office with a laugh as a joke, I guess being on the right kills your sense of humor huh?

I know when the quotes were uttered and written.....In fact, I've been a fan of O'Rourke since before you were a gleam in the milkman's eye.

If you have some evidence that they plagiarized the quotes attributed them, I'd love to see it.

I agree with you that the post office is a joke....Now, come up with a supposed success story of a federal program, to justify your horribly misguided faith in those who don't deserve it.

 

[Modbert]

I know when the quotes were uttered and written.....In fact, I've been a fan of O'Rourke since before you were a gleam in the milkman's eye.

If you have some evidence that they plagiarized the quotes attributed them, I'd love to see it.

I agree with you that the post office is a joke....Now, come up with a supposed success story of a federal program, to justify your horribly misguided faith in those who don't deserve it.

Gee Dude, it must pain you to even think about going through a post without a single personal insult huh? I think I should start calling you Bitter Dude.

I wasn't talking about the actual quotes, I was referring to the ideas behind the quotes. Honestly, you seem so eager to pick a fight that you're trying to argue with me over quotes.

Dude, the reason I'm treating your post as pretty much a joke in some way is because you really need to get that stick wedged up your ass out. I'm sure someone will let you borrow some grease or something if you don't have any.

 

[Oddball]

You have zero wiggle room to go around squawking about others' lobbing of personal insults, little dude.

You seem to have a desire to be taken seriously...I'd suggest you start acting like it.

You can start by naming the federal program that had delivered the goods for less than it was claimed to cost.

P.S....You'll be the first here to attempt it....Don't fuck it up.

 

[Modbert]

You have zero wiggle room to go around squawking about others' lobbing of personal insults, little dude.

You seem to have a desire to be taken seriously...I'd suggest you start acting like it.

You can start by naming the federal program that had delivered the goods for less than it was claimed to cost.

P.S....You'll be the first here to attempt it....Don't fuck it up.

I'm serious when I need to be. This is you trying to play thought police, going into my head though huh? I already showed you my ID. You going to arrest me for disorderly conduct?

You also seem to keep changing what you want from me, make up your mind bitter dude.

This:

As soon as you can name the federal program that has delivered what it promised for what it was projected to cost, I'm all ears.....But you can't.

And this:

You can start by naming the federal program that had delivered the goods for less than it was claimed to cost.

Are two different things. You can't even keep your pestering questions correctly because you're so repressed.

I got a couple Federal Programs that delivered what they promised as it's projected cost:

United States Forest Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mine Safety and Health Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

United States Census Bureau - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

That's three, so I win! Tell me what I won Johnny!

I can keep listing them if you like.

 

[Oddball]

What this is is you projecting what you think I'm trying to do.

I'll let you in on a little secret...You're not the first 18-year old know-it-all in the history of man. Do yourself a big favor and disabuse yourself the notion that you are.

As for your models of supposed political/bureaucratic efficiency and efficacy....You can't possibly be serious.

The census??...Absurd.

The Forest Service??...As someone who has spent an extensive period of his life in and around forest/ranch land....Laughable.

MSHA??...Definitely arguable....At best.

Still, taking your examples at face value, what makes those bureaucracies relevant models, in terms of a 15+% takeover of American GDP and 300MM lives??

 

[Modbert]

My oh my, as I begin to write this post, Dude hasn't even begun writing a response. Did I finally shut him up on something?

Well if those three aren't good enough Dude:

Federal Bureau of Prisons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Federal Witness Protection Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Marshals Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Bureau of Reclamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I got even more if you like!

 

[DiveCon]

My oh my, as I begin to write this post, Dude hasn't even begun writing a response. Did I finally shut him up on something?

Well if those three aren't good enough Dude:

Federal Bureau of Prisons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Federal Witness Protection Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Marshals Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Bureau of Reclamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I got even more if you like!

and all of those keep costing more than they were projected to

and dont even dare to attempt to bring those costs under control

 

[Oddball]

My oh my, as I begin to write this post, Dude hasn't even begun writing a response. Did I finally shut him up on something?

Well if those three aren't good enough Dude:

Federal Bureau of Prisons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Federal Witness Protection Program - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Marshals Service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
United States Bureau of Reclamation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I got even more if you like!

Check your premise.

Are you really so conceited and arrogant to think that I'm hanging on your every post??

 

[Modbert]

Oh looks like our nation's forests aren't important enough for bitter dude.

Well here's some more:

(Here's hoping he finds our water and prison system important enough)

Federal Aviation Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Airplanes, that important enough for you Dude?

Federal Railroad Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Trains, that not important at all?

Institute of Museum and Library Services - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Library, free books for our future of the nation to read, and for us. Sounds pretty important to me.

Though Dude, I hope this isn't one of those things where I prove you wrong, and you keep changing the rules of your silly game in order to try and say you're still right. You wanted a Federal Program that does what it's suppose to and sticks to it's budget. I've given NUMEROUS examples. Therefore, you LOSE. YOU LOSE.

Despite the backlog due to the numerous new ideas from our fellow wonderful American Citizens:

United States Patent and Trademark Office - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I would say Patents are pretty important, don't you think?

OH! Here's a kicker!

Small Business Administration - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The SBA has directly or indirectly helped nearly 20 million businesses and currently holds a portfolio of roughly 219,000 loans worth more than $45 billion making it the largest single financial backer of businesses in the United States.[3]

Gee Whiz Mr. Bitter Dude! That sounds awfully important don't it?!

Want to keep this going? Or do you finally want to admit you lost like a man?

 

[Modbert]

and all of those keep costing more than they were projected to

and dont even dare to attempt to bring those costs under control

Really, I'd love to see evidence of that. Especially for the 2nd and 4th one.

 

[DiveCon]

and all of those keep costing more than they were projected to

and dont even dare to attempt to bring those costs under control

Really, I'd love to see evidence of that. Especially for the 2nd and 4th one.

well, you'd have to go back to when they were first started and see what they were projected to cost

and most of those were so far back i doubt you can find that info online

 

[DiveCon]

robert, you have left the original premise
not that the program does a valid job, but that it costs more to run than it was projected to

 

[Modbert]

well, you'd have to go back to when they were first started and see what they were projected to cost

and most of those were so far back i doubt you can find that info online

Are you fucking kidding me? This is about the current budget costs. You'd be ignoring inflation among so many other factors if you're going to estimate the projected cost when some of these programs first started.

Come on DiveCon, get off those drugs.

 

[Modbert]

robert, you have left the original premise
not that the program does a valid job, but that it costs more to run than it was projected to

Look at my post above. Honestly, if you're going by THAT projected cost, that is totally dishonest and such bullshit.

Especially since no PUBLIC or PRIVATE program would go under the projected cost yearly when it starts back decades if not hundreds of years ago if you're going by the projected numbers when it first started.

Also, partly what Dude was that the PROGRAM DOES A VALID JOB.