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Well, logic would say that it would be as you say above....at least I would have thought the murder rate, as an example would be lower in texas or florida or the other death penalty states, because the death penalty should be a deterrent....BUT statistics show otherwise.The philosopher Ron White said:
Message to take from this:Im from Texas. In Texas we have the death penalty. And we USE it.
Thats right, if you come to Texas and kill somebody, we will kill you back. Thats our policy.
Theyre trying to pass a bill right now through the Texas Legislature that will speed up the process of execution in heinous crimes where theres more than three credible eye witnesses. If more than three people saw you do what you did, you dont sit on death row for 15 years, Jack, you go straight to the front of the line.
Other states are trying to abolish the death penalty my states puttin in an express lane.
If you plan on raping and killing 16 year old girls, don't do it in Texas.
Try California instead...
Murder Rates Nationally and By State | Death Penalty Information CenterFor 2009, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 4.9, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 2.8
For 2008, the average Murder Rate of Death Penalty States was 5.2, while the average Murder Rate of States without the Death Penalty was 3.3
WHAT?!?!
If they did that, the SCOTUS has lost its collective mind.
Treaties are the law of the LAND.
The states do not get to parce out what parts of a treaty they like.
And not only that, I heard that the 16 year old was asking for it.
Have you been talking to sunniman?
Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.Congress can always pass the law and posthumously name it the Humberto Lela Mexican Rapist and Murderer Memorial Law
I meant the Vienna Convention.Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.
You are indeed an ignorant one. that's not an insult, just a fact. The Geneva convention does not cover Americans traveling abroad. You are a hate filled liberal, and it must be bad if you would take the side of a rapist of any race or nationality.
Again, according to all the witnesses, Leal arrived at the party AFTER the gang rape. You are obviously a hate filled CON$ervative who defends white rapists and blames their rape on foreigners that you hate no matter how much evidence exists that foreigners you hate didn't do the raping.
Sucks to be you.
This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
The Constitution says nothing about rights only applying to American citizens. It talks about the rights of the accused and has always applied to all people who are accused of a crime whether a citizen or not
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
The Constitution says nothing about rights only applying to American citizens. It talks about the rights of the accused and has always applied to all people who are accused of a crime whether a citizen or not
True dat. What the issue here is that he was not deprived of anything that had any effect on his case. It was the equivalent of not getting a phone call.
The Constitution says nothing about rights only applying to American citizens. It talks about the rights of the accused and has always applied to all people who are accused of a crime whether a citizen or not
True dat. What the issue here is that he was not deprived of anything that had any effect on his case. It was the equivalent of not getting a phone call.
Then let's let it play it out in the courts and make sure everything os right before we kill him. That is what civilized societies do
This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
Never figured you the type to stick up for those who commit crimes against Women.
Notice how that paper leaves out the fact that the girl was gang raped at the party before Leal arrived and was put in his car. Also left out was the fact that the "blood" in the car was never tested to see if it was human blood, let alone the girl's blood. The "blood" was sprayed with Luminal, which can give false positives as well as positives for animal blood and the father testified that he used the car to transport the deer he hunts. Most courts rule out Luminal evidence without a test for blood, but not this court. The father also said he found the blouse by the road and put it in a pile of other clothes to be donated. Furthermore the "bite marks" were never tested for DNA and forensic science calls bite mark evidence "junk science." Leal had frontal lobe brain damage and tested as mildly retarded, an easy mark for cops to manipulate a confession from, especially since he was denied his consular representation.Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.Congress can always pass the law and posthumously name it the Humberto Lela Mexican Rapist and Murderer Memorial Law
FACTS OF THE CRIME
On May 20, 1994, sixteen-year-old Adria Sauceda and Humberto Leal were at a party. At some point, an intoxicated but conscious Sauceda was placed in Leals car, and Leal got in the vehicle and drove away.
About thirty minutes later, Leals brother arrived at the party and yelled that Leal had come home with blood on him saying he had killed a girl.
Several of the party members went looking for Sauceda in the same general area where the party was held. They called police after they found her nude body on a dirt road. They noticed Saucedas head had been bashed in and it was bleeding.
When the police arrived, they saw the nude Sauceda lying on her back. There was a 30- to 40 pound chunk of asphalt lying partially on Sauceda's left arm. Blood was underneath this rock. A smaller rock with blood on it was located near Saucedas right thigh. Saucedas head was splattered with blood. There was a bloody and broken stick protruding from Saucedas vagina.
Later that day, police questioned Leal and searched his house. Police seized a blouse belonging to Sauceda that contained several blood stains, hair and fibers. The police also confiscated Leals clothing from the night of the murder. Blood and other bodily fluid were found on Leals underwear. Police found blood stains on the passenger door and seat of Leals car. Police later arrested Leal at his home.
A medical examiner testified that Sauceda died from blows to the head and that based on the injuries to her head, she would had to have been struck with the rock two or three times. The medical examiner said Saucedas neck also contained injuries consistent with manual strangulation and that she had three bite marks on her body that matched dental impressions of Leals teeth.
Leal admitted at his trial that as he was taking Sauceda from the party he turned in the opposite direction from the way she had directed him to drive and when she attempted to get out of his car he refused to allow her to do so. He testified that when Sauceda finally did exit his car, he attempted to pull her back, but said she began hitting, pushing, and scratching his face. He testified that when Sauceda scratched him, he pushed her, felt something wet on the back of her head, shook her in an unsuccessful attempt to wake her, and then fled in fear when he saw bubbles coming out of her nose.
HUMBERTO LEAL SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION - TheCypressTimes
Humberto Leal, Hero of the American Left.
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
Never figured you the type to stick up for those who commit crimes against Women.
Sticking up for those who commit crimes against women? You seriously said that? No wonder you support Lynch Mob mentality....you make stuff up, you manufacture outrage, and then you get the rope.
I bet you thought Henry Fonda played the bad guy in The Oxbow Incident.
"WASHINGTON The Obama administration took the unusual step Friday of asking the Supreme Court to stop Texas from executing a Mexican citizen convicted of raping and killing a 16-year-old girl.
The administration said the court should delay the planned July 7 execution of Humberto Leal for up to six months to give Congress time to consider legislation that would directly affect Leal's case.
The 38-year-old native of Monterrey wasn't told he could contact the Mexican Consulate after his arrest in the murder of Adria Sauceda. His lawyers say police violated an international treaty by not telling Leal he could have consular assistance.
Legislation pending in the Senate would allow federal courts to review cases of condemned foreign nationals to determine if the lack of consular help made a significant difference in the outcome of their cases. Last week, a federal judge refused to delay the execution.
The Supreme Court has previously ruled that states can't be forced to comply with the provisions of treaties without some intervening federal legislation."
Read more: Obama administration calls for halt to Texas execution | Houston & Texas News | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
I am not sure the Feds can stop it. A Federal court cannot stay a State court. Looks like another trip and fall for the Obama administration and a chance for Perry to give Obama the finger.
Notice how that paper leaves out the fact that the girl was gang raped at the party before Leal arrived and was put in his car. Also left out was the fact that the "blood" in the car was never tested to see if it was human blood, let alone the girl's blood. The "blood" was sprayed with Luminal, which can give false positives as well as positives for animal blood and the father testified that he used the car to transport the deer he hunts. Most courts rule out Luminal evidence without a test for blood, but not this court. The father also said he found the blouse by the road and put it in a pile of other clothes to be donated. Furthermore the "bite marks" were never tested for DNA and forensic science calls bite mark evidence "junk science." Leal had frontal lobe brain damage and tested as mildly retarded, an easy mark for cops to manipulate a confession from, especially since he was denied his consular representation.Again, it doesn't matter to hate filled CON$ that Leal did not arrive at the "party" until AFTER the gang rape, he's a Mexican therefore he raped her.
FACTS OF THE CRIME
On May 20, 1994, sixteen-year-old Adria Sauceda and Humberto Leal were at a party. At some point, an intoxicated but conscious Sauceda was placed in Leals car, and Leal got in the vehicle and drove away.
About thirty minutes later, Leals brother arrived at the party and yelled that Leal had come home with blood on him saying he had killed a girl.
Several of the party members went looking for Sauceda in the same general area where the party was held. They called police after they found her nude body on a dirt road. They noticed Saucedas head had been bashed in and it was bleeding.
When the police arrived, they saw the nude Sauceda lying on her back. There was a 30- to 40 pound chunk of asphalt lying partially on Sauceda's left arm. Blood was underneath this rock. A smaller rock with blood on it was located near Saucedas right thigh. Saucedas head was splattered with blood. There was a bloody and broken stick protruding from Saucedas vagina.
Later that day, police questioned Leal and searched his house. Police seized a blouse belonging to Sauceda that contained several blood stains, hair and fibers. The police also confiscated Leals clothing from the night of the murder. Blood and other bodily fluid were found on Leals underwear. Police found blood stains on the passenger door and seat of Leals car. Police later arrested Leal at his home.
A medical examiner testified that Sauceda died from blows to the head and that based on the injuries to her head, she would had to have been struck with the rock two or three times. The medical examiner said Saucedas neck also contained injuries consistent with manual strangulation and that she had three bite marks on her body that matched dental impressions of Leals teeth.
Leal admitted at his trial that as he was taking Sauceda from the party he turned in the opposite direction from the way she had directed him to drive and when she attempted to get out of his car he refused to allow her to do so. He testified that when Sauceda finally did exit his car, he attempted to pull her back, but said she began hitting, pushing, and scratching his face. He testified that when Sauceda scratched him, he pushed her, felt something wet on the back of her head, shook her in an unsuccessful attempt to wake her, and then fled in fear when he saw bubbles coming out of her nose.
HUMBERTO LEAL SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION - TheCypressTimes
Humberto Leal, Hero of the American Left.
The police found tire tread marks at the scene circling the girl's body and they did NOT match the tires of Leal's car. The rapists were seen at the party with the girl's purse and with blood on them. The rapists were never questioned or tested for DNA.
This SOB should never have gotten a trial. He's not an American citizen. The rights of American citizens to counsel, trial, etc.... DO NOT APPLY TO HIM. They should have executed his ass 30 seconds after they caught him.
Sure....we can emulate other countries and the old lynch mobs....bravo.
Oh...we ARE talking Texas here....carry on.
The Constitution says nothing about rights only applying to American citizens. It talks about the rights of the accused and has always applied to all people who are accused of a crime whether a citizen or not
The states own witnesses threw some of the darkest shadows over the case, claiming that the severely intoxicated victim was taken to the backyard and repeatedly assaulted before Leal arrived. One of the states witnesses even heard one of the men crudely encouraging partygoers to stick a bottle, or some other object, inside the victimNotice how that paper leaves out the fact that the girl was gang raped at the party before Leal arrived and was put in his car. Also left out was the fact that the "blood" in the car was never tested to see if it was human blood, let alone the girl's blood. The "blood" was sprayed with Luminal, which can give false positives as well as positives for animal blood and the father testified that he used the car to transport the deer he hunts. Most courts rule out Luminal evidence without a test for blood, but not this court. The father also said he found the blouse by the road and put it in a pile of other clothes to be donated. Furthermore the "bite marks" were never tested for DNA and forensic science calls bite mark evidence "junk science." Leal had frontal lobe brain damage and tested as mildly retarded, an easy mark for cops to manipulate a confession from, especially since he was denied his consular representation.FACTS OF THE CRIME
On May 20, 1994, sixteen-year-old Adria Sauceda and Humberto Leal were at a party. At some point, an intoxicated but conscious Sauceda was placed in Leals car, and Leal got in the vehicle and drove away.
About thirty minutes later, Leals brother arrived at the party and yelled that Leal had come home with blood on him saying he had killed a girl.
Several of the party members went looking for Sauceda in the same general area where the party was held. They called police after they found her nude body on a dirt road. They noticed Saucedas head had been bashed in and it was bleeding.
When the police arrived, they saw the nude Sauceda lying on her back. There was a 30- to 40 pound chunk of asphalt lying partially on Sauceda's left arm. Blood was underneath this rock. A smaller rock with blood on it was located near Saucedas right thigh. Saucedas head was splattered with blood. There was a bloody and broken stick protruding from Saucedas vagina.
Later that day, police questioned Leal and searched his house. Police seized a blouse belonging to Sauceda that contained several blood stains, hair and fibers. The police also confiscated Leals clothing from the night of the murder. Blood and other bodily fluid were found on Leals underwear. Police found blood stains on the passenger door and seat of Leals car. Police later arrested Leal at his home.
A medical examiner testified that Sauceda died from blows to the head and that based on the injuries to her head, she would had to have been struck with the rock two or three times. The medical examiner said Saucedas neck also contained injuries consistent with manual strangulation and that she had three bite marks on her body that matched dental impressions of Leals teeth.
Leal admitted at his trial that as he was taking Sauceda from the party he turned in the opposite direction from the way she had directed him to drive and when she attempted to get out of his car he refused to allow her to do so. He testified that when Sauceda finally did exit his car, he attempted to pull her back, but said she began hitting, pushing, and scratching his face. He testified that when Sauceda scratched him, he pushed her, felt something wet on the back of her head, shook her in an unsuccessful attempt to wake her, and then fled in fear when he saw bubbles coming out of her nose.
HUMBERTO LEAL SCHEDULED FOR EXECUTION - TheCypressTimes
Humberto Leal, Hero of the American Left.
The police found tire tread marks at the scene circling the girl's body and they did NOT match the tires of Leal's car. The rapists were seen at the party with the girl's purse and with blood on them. The rapists were never questioned or tested for DNA.
Right. She left the party with a stick in her vagina. That's the rape charge against him, Dear.
Humberto Leal, Hero of the American Left
