Obama Strong Arm Tactics: Cease and Desist Letter

[Navy1960]

A media outlet is a business. It exists to make money. Anything that exists that may affect the ability of a media business to make money is a risk. Risk has to be analysed and then managed. A potential law suit for defamation could mean a lot of money paid out by the business as damages to the plaintiff. This would affect the bottom line of the media business. It doesn't matter in which financial year it occurs in, if the risk is that it will occur then it should be managed. The best way to manage this particular risk is to avoid it. To avoid it then it's necessary to not publish defamatory articles.

Obama knows the meaning of strategy. This is strategy. It's actuallly a very clever strategy.

I think that tort law is in the hands of the states in the US. If so then the tactics that support this strategy will vary from state to state I would think. But this is a great start.

Oh I completely agree it's a strategy and as I said in the shotgun approach if he gets any of the stations to pull the add thats money well spent on his part. The two things that you look at in this though as far as litigation go is the cost and thats on both sides of the issue. On the Obama side, you have to finanace a campaign and to get involved in costly litigation with perhaps dozens of media outlets over this issue would draw funds from a campaign that need to get his message out in other ways. The second thing is, that when you start talking about "Freedom of the Press issues" media outlets tend to dig in their collective heels . So its my opinion this is just a tactic, to call attention to the matter and if enough attention is brought upon the outlet then perhaps they reduce the ad exposure. Cheap way to take someones ad off the air and get free press.

 

[Diuretic]

Oh I completely agree it's a strategy and as I said in the shotgun approach if he gets any of the stations to pull the add thats money well spent on his part. The two things that you look at in this though as far as litigation go is the cost and thats on both sides of the issue. On the Obama side, you have to finanace a campaign and to get involved in costly litigation with perhaps dozens of media outlets over this issue would draw funds from a campaign that need to get his message out in other ways. The second thing is, that when you start talking about "Freedom of the Press issues" media outlets tend to dig in their collective heels . So its my opinion this is just a tactic, to call attention to the matter and if enough attention is brought upon the outlet then perhaps they reduce the ad exposure. Cheap way to take someones ad off the air and get free press.

Good points. I think perhaps that if there were any actions by the Obama camp that they would be withdrawn (regardless of the result of the election) before formal hearings. I would think that if he were elected that he would have to be above taking legal action for things that were written/said in a campaign. If he lost then it would look like he was being financially carnivorous in the wake of his loss and would damage him for another attempt. But if he can get the media to stop publishing what are allegedly lies about him then he has a win. He won't win the hardnuts but the uncommitted voter might see the point.

 

[OohRah Mama]

What I am for is Freedom of Speech. Period.

But only if it's speech by the people you agree with, huh? Pretty selective about who has the rights?

Yes, the NRA has a right to speak. What they don't have is the right to be protected to defame Obama's character by that lie. In a visual ad campaign, with that defamation of character is slander. Hence the "cease & desist" demand. That letter is freedom of speech and it is also proper legal action.

 

[HoleInTheVoid]

No I meant that your post sounded like Kerry had told you why he had made such a serious tactical error.

And I was noting it would have been suicide to fight in court when he's made comments that are bald-faced untruths.

Ditto the whole Winter Soldier thing which was the prime motivator of the SBVT's.

 

[Diuretic]

And I was noting it would have been suicide to fight in court when he's made comments that are bald-faced untruths.

Ditto the whole Winter Soldier thing which was the prime motivator of the SBVT's.

He could have perhaps obtained an injunction (don't know if you have them there though) and had the Swiftboaters restrained until after the election. I said it was bad tactics at the time and I say it again. It doesn't matter if they're lying or telling the truth, the damage will be done regardless. If they're lying then it's too late to clean them up AFTER you've lost the election where their lies hurt you (he doesn't need the money so damages are irrelevant). If they're telling the truth then no-one is going to know that until after they've been tested in court and that could be couple of years after the election.

Either way it's a weak tactic to take it in silence. It might look noble from the inside but from the outside it can only look bad because all and any allegations have to be fought and fought hard. Not taking on your critics make you look like you're scared of them or they're right. Either way will kill a campaign stone dead. They must be fought.

 

[oreo]

Obama has done another flip-flop to get to his dream of becoming POTUS. Once elected, he will be against any type of gun--including hunting-pistols, etc. Hillary Clinton brought his stance up in one of the primaries, & I didn't hear him back of off prior fire-arm policies that much.

Obama is just a Whiner!

 

[WillowTree]

Typical liberal democrat tactics:
1. Use lawyers to sue the opposition to try and shut them up;
2. Instead of going after the NRA, which has the resources to defend itself, go after the radio station, which likely does not.

whiny assed little shits aren't they?

 

[oreo]

BTW--When is it O.K. with you liberals that Sarah Palin can put out a cease & desist order--to stop the wild & wooly accusations that have been launched at her?

 

[WillowTree]

i have to watch these stupid NRA ads in PA, and they are completely misrepresenting obama's stances. they are making it sound like obama wants to seize everyone's guns, which is not the case. they should be stopped, as it is no way to behave in something as important as a presidential election.

and im not surprised allie is fine with lying to win an election. the scums are these idiots who are lying to scare people to vote for mccain

Are the stations in PA getting these stupid letters?

 

[WillowTree]

BTW--When is it O.K. with you liberals that Sarah Palin can put out a cease & desist order--to stop the wild & wooly accusations that have been launched at her?

well now, that's another matter entirely. notice you got crickets???

 

[Diuretic]

BTW--When is it O.K. with you liberals that Sarah Palin can put out a cease & desist order--to stop the wild & wooly accusations that have been launched at her?

Fine by me. It's a valid response.

 

[Diuretic]

well now, that's another matter entirely. notice you got crickets???

*Chirrup*.....*chirrup*

 

[frazzledgear]

strong arm tactics?

it's called having the law on your side. the NRA are purposefully misleading the public with their ad. You might agree with this tactic but it's against the law and I'm thrilled the Obama is using the law to stop these 'swiftboat" type of tactics.

If Moveon.org or some other liberal medium came out with an ad that completely misrepresented McCain wouldn't you want his attorney's to take action? if you say no then you're not very smart.

Of course you are "thrilled" -you are a liberal. Liberals never believe in the right of free speech or freedom of the press except for themselves ONLY. If McCain were to send this kind of letter, YOU would be among the first to being having hysterics over it and everyone here knows it. McCain wouldn't do it, but if he did ANYTHING attempting to control the free press and political ads by means of the court system -the left AND leftwing media would be writhing on the ground as if stuck by hot pokers. This is NOTHING but a blatant attempt to silence ANY critics and hoping they are so fearful they will only report "good" reports about Obama. I don't know why Obama has bothered since the media is in his tank anyway. The few that aren't must just scare the crap out of the guy, huh?

This tactic of using the courts to try and control the media and how to force it to only report "good" reports about a particular candidate and their agenda -is straight from the playbook of the communist manifesto. Almost word for word in the way this "complaint" was filed. I'm sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Obama's longtime associates have been nothing but communists, domestic terrorists and anarchists -and no one who has any faith in OUR system of government. I could puke.

Never a good idea for us though when ANY candidate tries to subvert the courts to take an anti-free speech stance in favor of a particular side or agenda. If you don't know why that is -go back to high school and take World History again.

 

[Diuretic]

Fraz this is "Won't Get Fooled Again!" by the Democratic Party. It is nothing more nor nothing less than a refusal to be strung up by lies.

 

[DiveCon]

slander isn't covered under Freedome of speech in case you missed that....

lying purposefully about someone to change the perception of that individual isn't allowed and is actionable in court.



oh yes........those hunters need that ammo that can pierce a bullet proof vest....cuz you know... those animals are getting smarter by the minute

uh, no one uses armor piercing ammo to deer hunt

 

[Diuretic]

uh, no one uses armor piercing ammo to deer hunt

Call me picky!

Armour piercing ammo isn't necessary to punch through a ballistic vest.

The comment was, oh yes........those hunters need that ammo that can pierce a bullet proof vest....cuz you know... those animals are getting smarter by the minute

You probably know that various calibres can defeat various ballistic vests depending on their threat level rating.

Body Armour - Threat Level Information

(careful it makes a loud noise when you open it, if it's early morning or late at night it might cause embarrassment if you have speakers on - I'm not being funny, there is a loud rifle crack noise when it opens)

 

[eots]

uh, no one uses armor piercing ammo to deer hunt

I wouldn't say no one..I'm sure deer have been killed by some good ol boy at sometime.. with bozzokas..ak-47s..big sticks..pick up trucks..all manner weaponry and devices...in fact.. I am reasonably certain I saw Obama kill a pig in Mexico.. hopped up on peyote..and using armour piercing shells..

 

[RetiredGySgt]

i have to watch these stupid NRA ads in PA, and they are completely misrepresenting obama's stances. they are making it sound like obama wants to seize everyone's guns, which is not the case. they should be stopped, as it is no way to behave in something as important as a presidential election.

and im not surprised allie is fine with lying to win an election. the scums are these idiots who are lying to scare people to vote for mccain

The reality is he DOES want to disarm us. He just knows saying that outright will cost him big time. His actions and his stances HAVE made it clear. He wants the american people disarmed as soon as he can figure out how to do it.

Ammunition is one link, and been tried before. When the libs couldn't get stricter gun control laws in the 70's they got caught trying to ban or out law ammo claiming that the 2nd amendment did not promise any protection for ammo. He is at that again.

Obama is a socialist liberal turd and he would love to disarm us if he could.

 

[busara]

The reality is he DOES want to disarm us. He just knows saying that outright will cost him big time. His actions and his stances HAVE made it clear. He wants the american people disarmed as soon as he can figure out how to do it.

Ammunition is one link, and been tried before. When the libs couldn't get stricter gun control laws in the 70's they got caught trying to ban or out law ammo claiming that the 2nd amendment did not promise any protection for ammo. He is at that again.

Obama is a socialist liberal turd and he would love to disarm us if he could.

do you have information that shows he wants to disarm us? how is he at it again?

Obama is a socialist liberal turd and he would love to disarm us if he could

how could he go directly against the 2nd? the pres doesnt have to order the seizure of everyones guns or bullets

 

[glockmail]

whiny assed little shits aren't they?

They should all be tried for treason.