Obama solicitor general: If you don't like mandate, EARN LESS MONEY

[The Rabbi]

So if Rabbi has never been to the hospital, that means no one has. This is where you want to go? Really? LOL.

I didnt skirt a thing. I told you what it was for, you just didn't like the answer.

So everyone is going to the hospital. That's your argument, really?
You never answered what the tax was a tax on. Income tax is a tax on income. Capital gains tax is a tax on capital gains. Gasoline tax is a tax on gasoline.
So what is Obamacare's tax a tax on?

"Free" health care.

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

 

[AllieBaba]

That's what the neonuts say about mandated car insurance. " you don't have to drive".

And that is true. You don't have to drive. I await the explanation as to how one avoids being born.

As an American, we have the right to 'pursue happiness', and if that means monetary wealth, that is our right. No one has the right to penalize someone for earning money. Fucking socialists and their obsessional and irrational hatred of other people's money is embarrassing for decent Americans.

And before pursuing happiness, there is that word Life that you conveniently skipped over. If you don't want to live in a society that supports one another, you're free to live in another country that better suits your needs. Your hatred for your fellow Americans is quite sad.

Life does not equal "supporting one another". Those are two different things.

 

[AllieBaba]

I'm 49 years old and have never been in the hospital, much less the emergency room.
Remind me why I need to pay a tax on something I've never done and may never do.
You've skirted the question of what this is a tax on. You cannot tax non-activity.

So if Rabbi has never been to the hospital, that means no one has. This is where you want to go? Really? LOL.

I didnt skirt a thing. I told you what it was for, you just didn't like the answer.

So everyone is going to the hospital. That's your argument, really?
You never answered what the tax was a tax on. Income tax is a tax on income. Capital gains tax is a tax on capital gains. Gasoline tax is a tax on gasoline.
So what is Obamacare's tax a tax on?

We're all human..there should be a human tax. A tax on our humanity. We'd pay taxes on ourselves by the pound.

 

[AllieBaba]

It's starting to sound like soylent green....or logan's run....

 

[RDD_1210]

So everyone is going to the hospital. That's your argument, really?
You never answered what the tax was a tax on. Income tax is a tax on income. Capital gains tax is a tax on capital gains. Gasoline tax is a tax on gasoline.
So what is Obamacare's tax a tax on?

"Free" health care.

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

 

[boedicca]

So if Rabbi has never been to the hospital, that means no one has. This is where you want to go? Really? LOL.

I didnt skirt a thing. I told you what it was for, you just didn't like the answer.

So everyone is going to the hospital. That's your argument, really?
You never answered what the tax was a tax on. Income tax is a tax on income. Capital gains tax is a tax on capital gains. Gasoline tax is a tax on gasoline.
So what is Obamacare's tax a tax on?

We're all human..there should be a human tax. A tax on our humanity. We'd pay taxes on ourselves by the pound.

That's what Cap & Tax is for. Our breath is taxed.

 

[boedicca]

"Free" health care.

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Everyone NEEDS food.

Everyone NEEDS clothes.

Everyone NEEDS shelter.

Needs are endless. Resources aren't. What you are advocating is a government system which decides which person's needs are more important than another's needs.

The road to that is a destruction of living standards for everyone, except those who are in control of the rationing process.

 

[RDD_1210]

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Everyone NEEDS food.

Everyone NEEDS clothes.

Everyone NEEDS shelter.

Needs are endless. Resources aren't. What you are advocating is a government system which decides which person's needs are more important than another's needs.

The road to that is a destruction of living standards for everyone, except those who are in control of the rationing process.

I am advocating no such thing. Health care for all does not discriminate.

 

[The Rabbi]

"Free" health care.

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Not necessarily.
But they ought to pay for it when they use it. Not before.

Everyone will need to be buried or have their remains disposed of. Do you propose a body tax?

What you are proposing is not a tax at all but an insurance premium. That is exactly what an insurance premium is: a payment in anticipation of future need.
The gov't is not authorized to collect mandatory insurance payments on its citizens.

 

[The Rabbi]

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Everyone NEEDS food.

Everyone NEEDS clothes.

Everyone NEEDS shelter.

Needs are endless. Resources aren't. What you are advocating is a government system which decides which person's needs are more important than another's needs.

The road to that is a destruction of living standards for everyone, except those who are in control of the rationing process.

I am advocating no such thing. Health care for all does not discriminate.

Providing unlimited "free" health care will bankrupt the system faster than anything. No society can afford that.

 

[RDD_1210]

Everyone NEEDS food.

Everyone NEEDS clothes.

Everyone NEEDS shelter.

Needs are endless. Resources aren't. What you are advocating is a government system which decides which person's needs are more important than another's needs.

The road to that is a destruction of living standards for everyone, except those who are in control of the rationing process.

I am advocating no such thing. Health care for all does not discriminate.

Providing unlimited "free" health care will bankrupt the system faster than anything. No society can afford that.

Thats why everyone should be purchasing insurance. Thank you. Case Closed.

 

[RDD_1210]

If you never use health care you still have to pay the money.
FAIL.

Everyone eventually needs health care. Everyone.

Not necessarily.
But they ought to pay for it when they use it. Not before.

Everyone will need to be buried or have their remains disposed of. Do you propose a body tax?

What you are proposing is not a tax at all but an insurance premium. That is exactly what an insurance premium is: a payment in anticipation of future need.
The gov't is not authorized to collect mandatory insurance payments on its citizens.

Yes necessarily.

And if you don't purchase it until you need it, it ceases to be insurance. Do you understand how insurance works? Doesnt look like it.

 

[boedicca]

I am advocating no such thing. Health care for all does not discriminate.

Providing unlimited "free" health care will bankrupt the system faster than anything. No society can afford that.

Thats why everyone should be purchasing insurance. Thank you. Case Closed.

Insurance is Not Health Care.

 

[The Rabbi]

I am advocating no such thing. Health care for all does not discriminate.

Providing unlimited "free" health care will bankrupt the system faster than anything. No society can afford that.

Thats why everyone should be purchasing insurance. Thank you. Case Closed.

Youve confused "should" and "must." Thereby proving you are an illiterate idiot. Like there was any doubt.

 

[dblack]

Insurance is Not Health Care.

That's the whole issue in a nutshell. Some people think insurance is a good way to finance health care. I think it's demonstrably idiotic. The statist view is that we we should pick one solution and mandate it on everyone. Well, thanks, but no thanks. You wanna join a pyramid scam to pay for your health care? Fine, have it it. Just just leave me out of it.

And underneath it all is the seething irony that it's virulent anti-capitalists that are most excited about subjugating us all to the insurance corporations. I don't know how they can maintain any pretense of integrity.

 

[RDD_1210]

Providing unlimited "free" health care will bankrupt the system faster than anything. No society can afford that.

Thats why everyone should be purchasing insurance. Thank you. Case Closed.

Insurance is Not Health Care.

I'd ask if you have a point, but I already know the answer.

 

[The T]

That's what the neonuts say about mandated car insurance. " you don't have to drive".

Number one, that's STATES giving that mandate, and they have the right under the 10th Amendment (moron).

Number 2, driving is not a right, it's a privilege given to you by your sundry state.

NOT EVEN CLOSE to the FEDERAL GOVERMENT forcing a healthcare MANDATE on us in violation of the Constitution.

But thank you for illustrating how little liberals understand the Constitution.

Statists understand the Constitution...really...they do. So they craft law that circumvents it. The Constitution is a damned nuscience to these people...this is why they pass law...cross their fingers HOPE no one challanges it...and when it is challanged?

Too much time has passed then their argument is that too many have become ensconsed, and we cannot abolish whatever law they crafted...

They are about to find out different on many fronts.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Sure they do. They have the power to levy taxes as needed. Again, where are nuclear weapons permissible in the constitution, specifically?

How is mandating we buy insurance, a tax?

Because, if you will remember Obama insisted his healthcare was NOT a new tax.

Are you admitting now that it is?

Where are nuclear weapons barred?

TROLL!

Do you even know how the mandate will operate?

Nice attempt at deflection, but that tries to get by the 500 lb gorilla in the room, which is, IS IT A MANDATE?

It IS a mandate? Oh, then CONGRESS DOES NOT HAVE THE POWER TO FORCE US TO BUY IT!

What will you troll us with now?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Based on your non-answer I'll assume I hit the nail on the head. Thanks for "mooching"

This is what liberals do when they are losing and a tactic doesn't work. THEY DOUBLE DOWN and try hopes the second time it will work.

Notice, I don't ask any personal questions of you? That's because I don't have to. I have the facts on my side.

Nice try troll!

Holy crap, I was kidding before to make a point. But you actually don't have health insurance, do you??? The irony is amazing. WOW.

Oh, you're "kidding" but now you TRIPLE DOWN on the same tactic!

Hilarious!

Again, notice I'm not asking for personal information from YOU! I don't need to, to defeat you on this issue.

The fact that you are trying this lame tactic, betrays that you are simply trolling and getting more and more desperate to deflect from the main issue.

You are truly laugahble.

 

[teapartysamurai]

I did a search on that text and "nuclear" was nowhere to be found. Could you kindly point that out to me. I mean, you all want to say that General Welfare doesn't include ensuring health care for our citizens because it doesn't explicitly state it, right? So where does it explicitly state nuclear weapons? I'll wait...

God you are an idiot.

You have no idea what the Constitution means and was designed to accomplish.

I hope you are too stoned to vote in 2012.

LOL, tell us about your degree since you are a constitutional scholar. In the last thread you were a business expert and in another thread you were a healthcare expert. You must have had a lot of schooling to be such an authority on so many topics.

Did they teach you how to neg rep in school? You're pretty good at that.

In this thread, the only thing you are is a troll expert!