Obama, Piven and Free Enterprise

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    “The genius of America is the free-enterprise system, and freedom …"

    Read more: Romney, Obama, sharply disagree on role of government | The Daily Caller

    Yup...that came out of the mouth of President Obama in the debate.....
    ....no...really!


    The "You didn't build that" guy!!!



    This Obama:

    1. “On the afternoon of April 1, 1983, Barack Obama, then a senior at Columbia University, made his way into the Great Hall of Manhattan’s Cooper Union to attend a “Socialist Scholars Conference.” There Obama discovered his vocation as a community organizer, as well as a political program to guide him throughout his life.

    2. … it was there that a demoralized and frustrated socialist movement largely set aside strategies of nationalization and turned increasingly to local organizing as a way around the Reagan presidency —

    a. … the archived files of the Democratic Socialists of America (DSA), which include Obama’s name on a conference registration list…. The 1983 Cooper Union Conference, billed as a tribute to Marx, was precisely when Obama discovered his vocation for community organizing.” Obama



    3. The strategies and model discussed at the Socialist Scholars Conferences were based on moderation in pursuit of radical goals, of “boring from within the system” in order to undermine it. These were the tactics devised by European Marxists such as Andre Gorz, a main theorist in the New Left movement. The ‘reforms’ were designed to weaken the capitalist system.


    4. American Marxists Richard Cloward and Francis Fox Piven advanced a theory of “breaking the bank” by overloading the welfare rolls. They stated that many Americans who were eligible for welfare were not receiving benefits, and that a welfare enrollment drive would strain local budgets, precipitating a crisis at the state and local levels that would be a wake-up call for the federal government, particularly the Democratic Party, thus forcing it to implement a national solution to poverty. Cloward and Piven wrote that “the ultimate objective of this strategy [would be] to wipe out poverty by establishing a guaranteed annual income...”
    The Weight of the Poor: A Strategy to End Poverty | Common Dreams




    Did Obama plan on imposing said tactics on Ameria? Watch this:

    a.….the dramatically larger increase also suggests that part of the [welfare] program’s growth is due to conscious policy choices by this administration to ease eligibility rules and expand caseloads….income limits for eligibility have risen twice as fast as inflation since 2007 and are now roughly 10 percent higher than they were when Obama took office. Study: More Than Half a Trillion Dollars Spent on Welfare But Poverty Levels Unaffected | CNSNews.com




    5. “On the evening of January 11, 1996, while Mitt Romney was in the final years of his run as the head of Bain Capital, Barack Obama formally joined the New Party, which was deeply hostile to the mainstream of the Democratic party and even to American capitalism….Minutes of the meeting on January 11, 1996, of the New Party’s Chicago chapter read as follows:

    a. “Barack Obama, candidate for State Senate in the 13th Legislative District, gave a statement to the membership and answered questions. He signed the New Party “Candidate Contract” and requested an endorsement from the New Party. He also joined the New Party.”

    b. …the meeting at which Obama joined the party opened with the announcement of a forthcoming event featuring the prominent socialist activist Frances Fox Piven. “Obama’s Third-Party History - Stanley Kurtz - National Review Online



    “The genius of America is the free-enterprise system, and freedom …"

    He said that????
     
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    Isn't it positively stupefying that the GOP is not ahead of a loser America-hating commie like Obama by miles and miles and miles?

    It should be! That should be a wake up call.

    Just how incompetent do you have to be to be in a dead heat with a guy like that?

    Too bad the GOP doesn't have superior ideas and superior spokespeople with which to kick his ass over the moon.



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    Really?

    Have a prob with the following?

    1. Look, the right course for America's government, we were talking about the role of government, is not to become the economic player, picking winners and losers, telling people what kind of health treatment they can receive, taking over the health care system that has existed in this country for a long, long time and has produced the best health records in the world.

    The right answer for government is say, How do we make the private sector become more efficient and more effective? How do we get schools to be more competitive? Let's grade them. I propose we grade our schools so parents know which schools are succeeding and failing, so they can take their child to a -- to a school that he's being more successful.


    2. The role of government: Look behind us. The Constitution and the Declaration of Independence. The role of government is to promote and protect the principles of those documents.
    First, life and liberty. We have a responsibility to protect the lives and liberties of our people, and that means a military second to none. I do not believe in cutting our military. I believe in maintaining the strength of America's military.

    Second, in that line that says we are endowed by our creator with our rights, I believe we must maintain our commitment to religious tolerance and freedom in this country. That statement also says that we are endowed by our creator with the right to pursue happiness as we choose. I interpret that as, one, making sure that those people who are less fortunate and can't care for themselves are cared by -- by one another.

    We're a nation that believes that we're all children of the same god and we care for those that have difficulties, those that are elderly and have problems and challenges, those that are disabled. We care for them. And we -- we look for discovery and innovation, all these things desired out of the American heart to provide the pursuit of happiness for our citizens.

    But we also believe in maintaining for individuals the right to pursue their dreams and not to have the government substitute itself for the rights of free individuals. And what we're seeing right now is, in my view, a -- a trickle-down government approach, which has government thinking it can do a better job than free people pursuing their dreams. And it's not working.
    http://www.cnn.com/2012/10/03/politics/debate-transcript/index.html

    Sounds conservative to me.
     
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    i dont think this is the case at all, I think the lefts lies have taken effect, I think the people really are confused about how Congress runs, how economics runs and the systems we have in this country. I think all of us could stand to learn how mroe things work and how philosophies are working in our country and where people need to stand for their own sake and where they can have their differences in a better manner.

    I feel the conduct of this country is horrid. I think the media has more power than even it understood. I think each facet is just hammering hammering hammering, and not really informing people.

    I think this country is juggling way to many things and americans dont have enough of the informative conversations they should be talking about. I love chatting football and women, but i love to chat politics and how things work and people dont want to engage in that and I feel its really hurting them when people tell me congress is the senate and not the house of "over there" and that it really serves no purpose since the senate is more powerful" YEs i have heard that.
     
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    This board is a microcosm of the political electorate, and that electorate has the intellectual bandwidth of a bumper sticker.

    Partisans make shit up on the fly, willfully lie. They set a behavioral bar and then hypocritically ignore it when their heroes violate it. The greatest exertions they ever make are to copy and paste from an email or a blog or a video clip and post it.

    No one reads legislation that is under debate. They take their cues from their favorite partisan media outlet instead. If some ditz says "Death panels", they parrot it without thinking. "Death panels" fits on a bumper sticker.

    They actually whine about how long a piece of legislation is!

    tl/dnr lol

    Don't use "media bias" as your scapegoat. That's a cop-out. A superior idea can blast through any untruths.

    You get the government you deserve.

    Enjoy Obama. You earned him.



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    "A superior idea can blast through any untruths."

    Who controls the methods of dissemination of information?


    1. The radicals of the sixties did not remain within the universities…They realized that the apocalypse never materialized. “…they were dropping off into environmentalism and consumerism and fatalism…I watched many of my old comrades apply to graduate school in universities they had failed to burn down, so they could get advanced degrees and spread the ideas that had been discredited in the streets under an academic cover.” Collier and Horowitz, “Destructive Generation: Second Thoughts About The Sixties,” p. 294-295.


    2. “The radicals were not likely to go into business or the conventional practice of the professions. They were part of the chattering class, talkers interested in policy, politics, culture. They went into politics, print and electronic journalism, church bureaucracies, foundation staffs, Hollywood careers, public interest organizations, anywhere attitudes and opinions could be influenced. And they are exerting influence.” Robert H. Bork, “Slouching Toward Gomorrah,” p. 51


    3. “The youthful radicals propelled a new set of values from the fringes to the midst of contemporary social conflict.”
    Rothman and Lichter, “Roots of Radicalism: Jews, Christians, and the New Left,” p. 392-394
    Thus the themes and traits of the New Left have become prominent in today’s culture, and everything has become, ultimately, political.
     

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