Obama not going to compromise

[ItsjustmeIthink]

So President Obama isn't doing exactly as the Republicans demand, therefore he's "not compromising".

Same old story.

lol.....seems you arent paying attention.

What Obama wants is ONLY HIS way first....and then he is willing to CONSIDER compromising.

In other woirds...he is saying...give me what I want in writing, and you have my word I will consider what you want down the road.

You call that compromising?

Reminds me of the gang of six, you know.. when six dems and six reps proposed a plan that both sides could agree on, a plan the president accepted and the republicans revoked.
Was that what you were referring to when you said Obama only wants his way first?

 

[Darkwind]

You all realize that Obama can't do jack without the House of Representatives?

Failure to compromise with the GOP will be loudly and prominantly displayed to the American people. Obama is on record as saying he wants to work with the GOP.

This is proof he does not.

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Shut down government and save America!

 

[Mr. Shaman]

Why should Obama compromise?

He holds all the cards

If he does nothing the Bush tax cuts expire and we get automatic spending cuts across the board. More revenue in and less money spent...that is how you balance a budget

Obama has already offered a tax compromise to save tax cuts for the middle class

If Republicans want to save some of their cherished programs, they had better be prepared to compromise

 

[ScienceRocks]

You do realize that the rich will dodge the taxes? They aren't Americans but globalist.

100 years ago you could of done it, but today no way.

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

You all realize that Obama can't do jack without the House of Representatives?

Failure to compromise with the GOP will be loudly and prominantly displayed to the American people. Obama is on record as saying he wants to work with the GOP.

This is proof he does not.

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Shut down government and save America!

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Exactly! Why would the GOP actually try to do something good for the country when Obama would get the credit as he is the president?

Legislative inaction = best the GOP could think of in an effort to make the Dems look bad, discredit Obama, and get the GOP back to majorities. Of course the GOP will work this angle as hard as they can because if they fail...OH EM GE they gonna have to overhaul the party in order to stay relevant.

IMO, the GOP can stay on this path and face a number of backlashes in the coming years or back away from their corrupt version conservatism, begin to integrate more facts into their platform and ultimately reform their positions on...just about everything. Personally, I pray they'll do the latter, mainly because I've been waiting for years now for an effective alternative to Obamacare but the GOP has simply been too busy enacting cloture motions to come up with a decent and comprehensive plan (voucher system would have never worked).

 

[Darkwind]

You all realize that Obama can't do jack without the House of Representatives?

Failure to compromise with the GOP will be loudly and prominantly displayed to the American people. Obama is on record as saying he wants to work with the GOP.

This is proof he does not.

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Shut down government and save America!

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Exactly! Why would the GOP actually try to do something good for the country when Obama would get the credit as he is the president?

Legislative inaction = best the GOP could think of in an effort to make the Dems look bad, discredit Obama, and get the GOP back to majorities. Of course the GOP will work this angle as hard as they can because if they fail...OH EM GE they gonna have to overhaul the party in order to stay relevant.

IMO, the GOP can stay on this path and face a number of backlashes in the coming years or back away from their corrupt version conservatism, begin to integrate more facts into their platform and ultimately reform their positions on...just about everything. Personally, I pray they'll do the latter, mainly because I've been waiting for years now for an effective alternative to Obamacare but the GOP has simply been too busy enacting cloture motions to come up with a decent and comprehensive plan (voucher system would have never worked).

the problem is that people think that the congress and the government should be doing things to make the lives of the citizenry easier.

It has no authority to do that.

You want your life to be easier? Work for it. The GOP controls the only portion of the government that can actually legislate spending.

Simply stop giving the executive any money to do anything until it comes forward with a compromise on the fiscal problems this country has.

 

[rightwinger]

You all realize that Obama can't do jack without the House of Representatives?

Failure to compromise with the GOP will be loudly and prominantly displayed to the American people. Obama is on record as saying he wants to work with the GOP.

This is proof he does not.

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Shut down government and save America!

Sure he can

The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year. Sequestration spending cuts also take effect. If he does nothing...that already happens

Obama is ready with pen in hand to sign a bill that extends tax cuts to the middle class. If Republicans refuse to extend the cuts they will face the wrath of the voters

What's it going to be Republicans?

 

[Mr. Shaman]

You all realize that Obama can't do jack without the House of Representatives?

Failure to compromise with the GOP will be loudly and prominantly displayed to the American people. Obama is on record as saying he wants to work with the GOP.

This is proof he does not.

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Shut down government and save America!

Sure he can

The Bush tax cuts expire at the end of the year. Sequestration spending cuts also take effect. If he does nothing...that already happens

Obama is ready with pen in hand to sign a bill that extends tax cuts to the middle class. If Republicans refuse to extend the cuts they will face the wrath of the voters

What's it going to be Republicans?

 

[ItsjustmeIthink]

You all realize that Obama can't do jack without the House of Representatives?

Failure to compromise with the GOP will be loudly and prominantly displayed to the American people. Obama is on record as saying he wants to work with the GOP.

This is proof he does not.

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Shut down government and save America!

Why should the GOP work with the President on anything?

Exactly! Why would the GOP actually try to do something good for the country when Obama would get the credit as he is the president?

Legislative inaction = best the GOP could think of in an effort to make the Dems look bad, discredit Obama, and get the GOP back to majorities. Of course the GOP will work this angle as hard as they can because if they fail...OH EM GE they gonna have to overhaul the party in order to stay relevant.

IMO, the GOP can stay on this path and face a number of backlashes in the coming years or back away from their corrupt version conservatism, begin to integrate more facts into their platform and ultimately reform their positions on...just about everything. Personally, I pray they'll do the latter, mainly because I've been waiting for years now for an effective alternative to Obamacare but the GOP has simply been too busy enacting cloture motions to come up with a decent and comprehensive plan (voucher system would have never worked).

the problem is that people think that the congress and the government should be doing things to make the lives of the citizenry easier.

It has no authority to do that.

You want your life to be easier? Work for it. The GOP controls the only portion of the government that can actually legislate spending.

Simply stop giving the executive any money to do anything until it comes forward with a compromise on the fiscal problems this country has.

IMo, Gov't role is to preserve our rights, sovereignty, and economic stability. Obviously those 3 encompass a great many things but that is what I think gov't primary objective should be.

As for life, I don't give a damn if its easy or not, I just want to be able to die with a minimal amount of regret.

And for the executive branch, I'd like to see the legislative branch streamlined, checks and balances reformed, and have the executive branch assimilated into the legislative one.

Simply stop giving the executive any money to do anything until it comes forward with a compromise on the fiscal problems this country has.

I'd agree only if you removed the word "executive" and used the word "congress" in its place.

 

[Staidhup]

I can't agree more, if Obama and the democrats wish to play financial Russian roulette, with a loaded gun, then remove spending cuts from the discussion, permit AMT to expand deeper into the middle class, tax cuts expire, and mandatory cuts imposed, then so be it. We now enter an era of international financial markets dictating our future, devaluing our currency, removing the dollar as the international trade currency, interest rate increases and everyone singing kum bah ya around the camp fire. The progressive Messiah can blame Bush the GOP, play some more golf and shoot hoops with his buds. Better to have him on the golf course and court then in the office behind a desk.

 

[GuyPinestra]

Fuck it!! Let the tax cuts expire for EVERYBODY! Let the sequestration happen, 10% ACROSS THE BOARD!

Then we should introduce legislation that reduces Congressional pay to the US median income and revokes Congressional health and retirement benefits, forcing them to live with Social Insecurity and Mediscare.

Close 100 or more overseas military bases, bring home a couple hundred thousand troops and close AT LEAST 4 Cabinet-level Federal Departments.

In the 2 years it will take for the smoke to clear, cut ANOTHER 10% of Federal spending.

We'll STILL be in the red but we'll be a LOT closer to fiscal sanity than we are today.

 

[P@triot]

Why should Obama compromise?

He holds all the cards

If he does nothing the Bush tax cuts expire and we get automatic spending cuts across the board. More revenue in and less money spent...that is how you balance a budget

Obama has already offered a tax compromise to save tax cuts for the middle class

If Republicans want to save some of their cherished programs, they had better be prepared to compromise

Both of which (the automatic cuts and the tax increase) will send the entire economy over the fiscal cliff and straight to total collapse (just like Greece).

But, I say, HELL YES!!! Let's collapse this thing and watch the faces of the idiot liberal dumbocrats who worshipped Obama, kept handing over power to the federal government, and supported spending more than what you have.

Let's burn this entire bitch to the ground. If we're not going to adhere to the Constitution as we are legally bound to (but don't thanks to the idiot liberal dumbocrat), then lets have our second Civil War and get it over with. We'll rebuild it again (and I'm sure the perpetual stupidity of the idiot liberal dumbocrat will burn it back to the ground again in another 100+ years). As Thomas Jefferson so astutely recoginized, "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Let the blood start spilling...

 

[P@triot]

Fuck it!! Let the tax cuts expire for EVERYBODY! Let the sequestration happen, 10% ACROSS THE BOARD!

Then we should introduce legislation that reduces Congressional pay to the US median income and revokes Congressional health and retirement benefits, forcing them to live with Social Insecurity and Mediscare.

Close 100 or more overseas military bases, bring home a couple hundred thousand troops and close AT LEAST 4 Cabinet-level Federal Departments.

In the 2 years it will take for the smoke to clear, cut ANOTHER 10% of Federal spending.

We'll STILL be in the red but we'll be a LOT closer to fiscal sanity than we are today.

You're dead on - except one HUGE problem. Who in the hell is going to "introduce" the legislation that you are so right on? Only Congress can do that, and they sure as HELL aren't going to (right, left, or otherwise). Sadly, this problem only gets solved with bloodshed. It's going to take a second Civil War since the left has become so radical and hijacked by Communists/Marxists/Socialists and the federal government has cashed in on that by consolidating power they are not authorized by the Constitution to have.

 

[P@triot]

If Republicans refuse to extend the cuts they will face the wrath of the voters

You can't seriously be this stupid, can you?

Tell me, what voters are going to impose their "wrath" on the GOP? The right will vote right, not matter what they do, and the left will vote left, no matter what they do.

If you really haven't figured that out yet, God help you son....

 

[rightwinger]

Why should Obama compromise?

He holds all the cards

If he does nothing the Bush tax cuts expire and we get automatic spending cuts across the board. More revenue in and less money spent...that is how you balance a budget

Obama has already offered a tax compromise to save tax cuts for the middle class

If Republicans want to save some of their cherished programs, they had better be prepared to compromise

Both of which (the automatic cuts and the tax increase) will send the entire economy over the fiscal cliff and straight to total collapse (just like Greece).

But, I say, HELL YES!!! Let's collapse this thing and watch the faces of the idiot liberal dumbocrats who worshipped Obama, kept handing over power to the federal government, and supported spending more than what you have.

Let's burn this entire bitch to the ground. If we're not going to adhere to the Constitution as we are legally bound to (but don't thanks to the idiot liberal dumbocrat), then lets have our second Civil War and get it over with. We'll rebuild it again (and I'm sure the perpetual stupidity of the idiot liberal dumbocrat will burn it back to the ground again in another 100+ years). As Thomas Jefferson so astutely recoginized, "the tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants". Let the blood start spilling...

You are mixing your metaphores

Greece went bankrupt because taxes were too low and benefits were too high. How does increasing our tax revenue and cutting spending make us....."Like Greece"?

You want to spill blood over a 4% tax increase and 10% spending cut? What a pussy

 

[Jarhead]

Fuck it!! Let the tax cuts expire for EVERYBODY! Let the sequestration happen, 10% ACROSS THE BOARD!

Then we should introduce legislation that reduces Congressional pay to the US median income and revokes Congressional health and retirement benefits, forcing them to live with Social Insecurity and Mediscare.

Close 100 or more overseas military bases, bring home a couple hundred thousand troops and close AT LEAST 4 Cabinet-level Federal Departments.

In the 2 years it will take for the smoke to clear, cut ANOTHER 10% of Federal spending.

We'll STILL be in the red but we'll be a LOT closer to fiscal sanity than we are today.

Sooner or later, a generation is going to have to suffer the coinsequences of our actions for the past 20 years. I agree...let our generation be the one who suffers....nip the problem in the bud......raising a mere 80 billion dollars more a year in revenue is going to do nothing to help our increasing debt. All it will do will result in a trillion dollar a year increase in the debt as opposed to a 1.1 trillion dollar increase....big freaking deal.

Time for us all to suffer.....so future generations dont have to.

 

[rightwinger]

If Republicans refuse to extend the cuts they will face the wrath of the voters

You can't seriously be this stupid, can you?

Tell me, what voters are going to impose their "wrath" on the GOP? The right will vote right, not matter what they do, and the left will vote left, no matter what they do.

If you really haven't figured that out yet, God help you son....

Yea...but its that god damned middle who decides elections

 

[rightwinger]

Fuck it!! Let the tax cuts expire for EVERYBODY! Let the sequestration happen, 10% ACROSS THE BOARD!

Then we should introduce legislation that reduces Congressional pay to the US median income and revokes Congressional health and retirement benefits, forcing them to live with Social Insecurity and Mediscare.

Close 100 or more overseas military bases, bring home a couple hundred thousand troops and close AT LEAST 4 Cabinet-level Federal Departments.

In the 2 years it will take for the smoke to clear, cut ANOTHER 10% of Federal spending.

We'll STILL be in the red but we'll be a LOT closer to fiscal sanity than we are today.

Sooner or later, a generation is going to have to suffer the coinsequences of our actions for the past 20 years. I agree...let our generation be the one who suffers....nip the problem in the bud......raising a mere 80 billion dollars more a year in revenue is going to do nothing to help our increasing debt. All it will do will result in a trillion dollar a year increase in the debt as opposed to a 1.1 trillion dollar increase....big freaking deal.

Time for us all to suffer.....so future generations dont have to.

I agree

Americans are lazy and don't want to make sacrifices unless other people are making sacrifices. Lets go austerity for ten years. Higher taxes for everyone, redefine the role of our military, cut welfare, cut pensions, get out of the wars

 

[P@triot]

One of the great things that has come out of the 4 year depression created by Obama is that the left has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they truly are ignorant. They are ignorant of the facts. They are ignorant of reality. They eschew all of that for their ideology.

In his first two years, Obama had full dictatorial powers. He had a super majority in both the House and the Senate, and as such, he got 100% of the bills he wanted. That's right, 100%. Not one was shot down. Lets just take a very short, quick recap on liberal failure at its "finest":

Obama claims that healthcare is to blame for our economy. Says that we can't keep pace with the rising costs and that too many are uninsured, causing even higher prices. Enter......Obamacare! Obama and the dumbocrats "promise" it will cost $900 billion. The latest projections by the CBO now have it at a staggering $2.6 trillion. The only thing rising more than healthcare costs is unconstitutional government spending. Furthermore, because of the costs created by the idiot dumbocrats like Obama, millions and millions who were previously insured are now losing their insurance. He said we needed this because so many were uninsured. Instead of solving that, he created more uninsured (typical of the dumbocrats).

Next, Obama claims that we are at the cusp of an economic crisis, and only his "stimulus package" can solve the issue. After unconstitutionally tossing around nearly a $1 trillion in waste and fraud, and after promising this package would ensure that unemployment would never reach 8%, it actually skyrockets to nearly 11% thanks to incompetent leadership. How could anyone have projections that were so shockingly inaccurate? How can anyone be off by 30 million people?!?

After that, rather than studying the data, accepting fact, and changing course based on reality, Obama doubles-down on his (ignorant) ideology and gives us....the Omnibus bill! Yeah for more debt and unconstitutional spending, which does nothing!

Sadly, after that failed, Obama once again ignored facts and reality for ideology, and tripled-down on his stupidity with a THIRD round of stimulus spending.

Next, Obama said that the economy would never really be fixed until we regulated the issues on Wall Street (which he falsely claimed were the cause..... well, that and of course...Bush!). So we ended up with the "brilliant" Dodd–Frank Wall Street Reform and Consumer Protection Act (I just LOVE that name - "Consumer PROTECTION"... riiiiiiiiight. Because I need government to "protect" me from my own purchases). And, just like Obamacare, instead of solving the problem he claimed existed, he actually created the problem. Before the Dodd-Frank nightmare, we had free checking. Now, thanks to the government telling banks they may no longer charge certain fees, the banks have been forced to make up that gap by charging for bank accounts. Oh, except (of course) if you carry a very large balance, such as a Bill Gates. So the people who can easily afford it, don't get hit by the fees. While the minimum wage worker he can't afford it, gets hit with the fees. And Obama & the dumbocrats claim they are for the little person?

These (and many more) glaring illustrations of economic incompetence have clearly illustrated the left's complete and total ignorance of basic economics. They have no plan for the economy, just a plan to redistrubute wealth and implement communism. They have no policies which further the growth of the economy, just policies to punish the wealthy workers and reward the lazy through marxism.

And don't forget kids, despite having 100% of his bills passed which he swore would "fix" the economy, when asked what happened, just be sure to blame......BUSH (I know, it makes no sense, but just go with it - just because we've had 4 years of every bill which Obama swore would solve our problems, doesn't mean we should hold him responsible).

 

[P@triot]

If Republicans refuse to extend the cuts they will face the wrath of the voters

You can't seriously be this stupid, can you?

Tell me, what voters are going to impose their "wrath" on the GOP? The right will vote right, not matter what they do, and the left will vote left, no matter what they do.

If you really haven't figured that out yet, God help you son....

Yea...but its that god damned middle who decides elections

And in case you haven't noticed, the majority of those are "gun clinching, bible toting" (to paraphrase 'ole Barack Hussein) conservatives...

The left is made up of the greedy, uber wealthy (leer jet, limousine Hollywood liberals) and the greedy, uber lazy, uber poor lower class.