52ndStreet
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Remember everybody, Guns don't kill, people Kill.!!
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Remember everybody, Guns don't kill, people Kill.!!
It is so funny to me how pissed off all you fuckers get about me wanting to take away your guns.
Police and military can have guns, no one else.
The manufacturing of guns should be completely halted and only produced on-demand when soldiers or police officers need new ones to replace old ones.
You want to hunt, use traps or a bow and arrow, something that takes years of practice to perfect, and much manlier too.
You want to shoot recreationaly, join the military or become a cop, otherwise....tough shit!
Guns make it easier to commit crime period.
Even when regulating sales, they are still manufactured and thus fair game for potential criminals to steal.
If you disagree i can laugh at you when Barack HUSSEIN!!!!!!!! Obama becomes the next president.
Game on.Honestly you two, I could do this all day.
Not to cast aspersion on the MArines, but I sense the root of some notion of cozy comfort in the authority always being right.I am 25 years old and reside in Los Angeles, CA. Both of my parents are retired marines and they live in Dallas, TX. They are both for anti-gun laws to the fullest extent...no more civilian guns...period.
How would this prevent guns being stolen? How would this prevent criminals in the government from selling guns to other criminals? How would this prevent criminals from getting guns?Oh they would get into the country anyway? How about ACTUALLY inspecting the other 95% of the cargo coming into this country?
There is certainly a profit margin advantage to be gained by manufaturing in a nation with a lesser expectations from their entitlement to extortion.Why do you think that all those gun manufacturers are now producing guns out of state when almost all of them started here to begin with?
The Government does; and fails for patently obvious reasons.Who regulates the sales of firearms and makes sure that the buyers are legitimate?
Yes.Ever seen the movie "Lord of War"(based on a true story)?
Tell me; if I accept this as valid, how do I argue that the legal aquisition, ownership and use of guns makes things worse?The fact is that if guns are made, they end up in the wrong hands, even when so called "law-abiding citizens" like you responsibly use your firearms for personal enjoyment.
Nor would there be reasons for retards to cry about (and extort compensation for) the inherent injustices of a reality where "anything" can be misused.If you could guarentee that "anything" potentially dangerous could be used responsibly without any possibility of misuse, there wouldn't be child proof lighters or medicine bottles.
What idiots like yourself are basically saying is this:What you idioits are basically saying is this:
If you could save hundreds and thousands of lives by throwing away your gun and supporting anti-gun laws, you WOULDNT do it. Your excuse, cars kill people, ban cars, tape kills people, ban tape, but thats not the point. Cars and tape are rarely if ever used as "murder" weapons. Key word being MURDER.
I think I need to go fuck my hot intelligent girlfriend now so we can procreate more intelligent people because im begining to think that the retards are outnumbering the genius.
i.e. Bush's 2nd Term... Goodnight fuck-tards, i'll be back in the morning to see what other mindless asshole banter you can come up with.
you must at least agree that organizations like the NRA and the US Govt. should spend more time trying to curb the worldwide production of "assault" rifles not bound for legitimate "non-confict" zones?
Would you be willing to allow electronic "location-finder" chips, just like the ones in the cell phones of billions of people, to aid security efforts in tracking illegal gun possession so you dont have to defend yourself against them?
ok im back again! yay! you guys get something to with your sunday now!
Since we have had no REAL gun control laws until the past 30 or so years, the use and proliferation of guns has become unimaginably rampant throughout the World. There are damn near more guns on the planet than their are people. There is, in essence, no reason for a NEW gun to even be made! If you want me to support your "responsible" use of guns for "safe" recreation and protection from hardened criminals, you must at least agree that organizations like the NRA and the US Govt. should spend more time trying to curb the worldwide production of "assault" rifles not bound for legitimate "non-confict" zones? Can't you agree that it would be more productive to heavily FUND and support neighborhood watch programs which have "proven" to be more effective against rural and suburban crime than personal gun possession? Would you be willing to allow electronic "location-finder" chips, just like the ones in the cell phones of billions of people, to aid security efforts in tracking illegal gun possession so you dont have to defend yourself against them?
My point is that not enough is being done to "control" guns so that people like you all can use them safely and responsibly like our constitution says you can. Yes, there are measures in place that have been effective in recent years, but its not enough. And people like all of you spend more time defening yourself from the dipshit media than supporting programs that can and will make gun possession safer and more practical in a criminally charged society such as the US. Toss this around for a while, I can be serious too...
OutsidetheBox24
The United States has the highest rate of gun death of any Western country.
Proliferation is rrelevent to the discussion. Besides, U.S. gun control laws have no jurisdiction throughout the world. Gun control laws in the U.S. and other nations succeed only in being barriers to regular folks obtaining guns, do nothing about criminally violent governments misusing guns, and motivate ordinary violent criminals to steal guns.Since we have had no REAL gun control laws until the past 30 or so years, the use and proliferation of guns has become unimaginably rampant throughout the World.
Irrelevent.There are damn near more guns on the planet than their are people.
Wrong.There is, in essence, no reason for a NEW gun to even be made!
I do not, because safe and responsible use is not a bargaining chip to cash in to stop the irresponsible and criminal use of guns by thugs and governments. If you want me to support your bullshit gun-control laws then you have to first make sure that neither violent criminals or governments have any guns, for any purposes.If you want me to support your "responsible" use of guns for "safe" recreation and protection from hardened criminals, you must at least agree that organizations like the NRA and the US Govt. should spend more time trying to curb the worldwide production of "assault" rifles not bound for legitimate "non-confict" zones?
No. Though I'll admit that I have no problem with neighborhood watch, I just don't accept "proof", I only accept actual proof, and there's no reason that funding neighborhood watch should have any bearing what-so-ever on gunownership.Can't you agree that it would be more productive to heavily FUND and support neighborhood watch programs which have "proven" to be more effective against rural and suburban crime than personal gun possession?
Would you be willing to allow electronic "location-finder" chips, just like the ones in the cell phones of billions of people, to aid security efforts in tracking illegal gun possession so you dont have to defend yourself against them?
There is plenty being done to try to control guns--the fact of the matter is the gun-control paradigm of making guns illegal does not work because it CANNOT work--it operates from a fudamentally flawed premise.My point is that not enough is being done to "control" guns so that people like you all can use them safely and responsibly like our constitution says you can.
Really, such as..., and effective at what, exactly?Yes, there are measures in place that have been effective in recent years, but its not enough.
For the same reasons that compulsory sex education, and compulsory drug education, and compulsory race/ethnicity/culture education for all children from elementary school through high school is effective at dispelling harmful myths, and curbing the tragic consequences of dangerous sex, the abuse of drugs, and racism, I fully support compulsory gun safety and handling education for children. Once we returned to the days when guns were consiered more often to be a familiar tool for hunting and self defense, rather than some mystical object of self-empowerment by which you could excersize your will over others, I would support a bring you gun to school day, so everyone could learn aboutthe history of oldler guns that have been passed through generations, and the technological advances in performance and safety incorporated in new guns.And people like all of you spend more time defening yourself from the dipshit media than supporting programs that can and will make gun possession safer and more practical in a criminally charged society such as the US. Toss this around for a while, I can be serious too...
OutsidetheBox24
I'm sure that China has the highest rate of rickshaw deaths in the East, but no-one would consider that a rickshaw problem. I'm sure that France has the highest rate of soft cheese death of any Western country, but I'm sure no-one would consider that to be a soft-cheese problem.The United States has the highest rate of gun death of any Western country.
I'm sure that China has the highest rate of rickshaw deaths in the East, but no-one would consider that a rickshaw problem. I'm sure that France has the highest rate of soft cheese death of any Western country, but I'm sure no-one would consider that to be a soft-cheese problem.
Obama said that he is not going to try to take our guns, that he believes in the second amendment, but I think he is lying. He is so far to the left he might as well be a communist.
Fact: People who own guns are more likely to have bought one because of the socialization of guns within their communities growing up. (i.e. hunting, military, law-enforcement)
Fact: The amount of personal gun ownership within a community significantly drops when serious neighborhood watch programs are initiated.
Fact: The majority of gun-related death in the US and abroad is from "stolen" or illegaly sold firearms.
Fact: Most of the stolen firearms came from security guards, police officers, and registered "legal" owners homes, cars, and trucks...NOT smuggled ones.
Now of course all you fucktards are gonna say ban food cuz it kills more people, cars kill more people ban cars, alcohol, cigarettes, etc. BUT Gangsters, drug-dealers, and organized criminals aren't attacking or threatening people with cheesebugers and beer. They use guns. Stolen guns that were easily available to them because of our current gun-control laws being too weak. You may THINK that a gun can protect you, but anyone with a knife and enough courage can take your gun away in a heartbeat and use it against someone else. Most gun owners dont have the proper permits to carry and conceal their weapons, and so most stolen guns come from homes and trucks when YOU arent around. It is an undeniable fact that guns CAUSE more crime than they prevent, but I will agree that getting rid of guns wont get rid of crime. However, large groups of protective neighbors staying organized have PROVEN over and over to be far more effective against crime than gun ownership.
All this being said, the original topic for this post was:
"Obama is anti-gun and assault rifle."
Yes he is. But more importantly....
type "Obama on Gun Control" into a google search for proof.
Obama supports the 2nd ammendment BUT he does call for much heavier regulations on guns and their manufacturers. He also supports the right for state and local governments to make their own laws on handgun and assault rifles, just like cities and states go around property rights for zoning ordinances.
So at the end of the day, you all are basically fucking nuts for spending as much time as you have on all my comments regardless of there context because not one of them actually addressed the thread. We all have our opinions and obviously we arent changing eachothers any time soon. I think all of you are idiots, and you all think Im an idiot. Im voting for Obama, you are all probably voting for McCain or not at all. Lets let the politicians do the fighting and we'll see who gets their way come voting day...
I dare you to find anybody killed by soft cheese. Anywhere. Of course the sole purpose of cheesemakers is to kill people, unlike guns, whose sole reason for being manufactured is to bring peace and enlightenment to the world (oh, and for those scared of their own widdle shadows to feel safe at night)...