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The Dow would most likely be around 15,000.....maybe higher, if Bush's plan had gone into effect.
No it wouldn't. It would probably only have had a marginal affect.
Having said that, Obama's claim is pretty silly.
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The Dow would most likely be around 15,000.....maybe higher, if Bush's plan had gone into effect.
No, it's not the facts, sorry. Everybody, including government employees and elected members of Congress pay into Social Security.
you'd think, listening to them, that they didn't run things for 8 years.
if their ideas were so good, they wouldn't have crashed the economy.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
and bush used his little veto pen for the first time in his presidency... frequently.... every time the dems tried to do anything.
so you might want to not try to lay the blame on the dems. ultimately, it was the dems who bailed out his butt.
you know what amazes me... that a goodly percentage of the country thinks president obama signed the TARP bill into law.
nutters... apparently Obama was president in october 2008.
you'd think, listening to them, that they didn't run things for 8 years.
if their ideas were so good, they wouldn't have crashed the economy.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
Democrats taking control of Congress in 2007 didn't have a single, solitary thing to do with the economy crashing. That was already in the works and had been a bubble blowing up for years ready to burst. It would have happened even if the Republicans had maintained control.
I see many conservatives deceptively claiming that because the Democrats won Congress in the 2006 elections, that somehow caused the financial crash. That's absolute bullshit and you all know it.
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
Democrats taking control of Congress in 2007 didn't have a single, solitary thing to do with the economy crashing. That was already in the works and had been a bubble blowing up for years ready to burst. It would have happened even if the Republicans had maintained control.
I see many conservatives deceptively claiming that because the Democrats won Congress in the 2006 elections, that somehow caused the financial crash. That's absolute bullshit and you all know it.
Kudos for you honesty
The truth is Democrats have had a monopoly on all government for almost a century, bar a few politicians and Presidents, and why the system is slanted to pro-government policies at the people's expense.
Unfortunate, but true. Some very rich people in this nation now thanks to Democrat policies, which is what it was all about to begin with.
When your enemy is destroying himself, get out of the way. The GOP has a hard time doing that because either they feel pity and try to help them, or get in the way laughing at them.No need for the GOP to destory it. Its headed that way on its own.
The problem with SS is that it is a Ponzi Scheme put in place decades ago. The ratio of tax payers to beneficiaries was 41.9 to 1 when SS was established. We are currently at 3 to 1. Within a couple of decades, the ratio will deteriorate further to 2:1.
The gig is up. The Ponzi Scheme is falling apart due to lack of enough fresh chumps to pay off earlier chumps.
The truth is Democrats have had a monopoly on all government for almost a century, bar a few politicians and Presidents, and why the system is slanted to pro-government policies at the people's expense.
Unfortunate, but true. Some very rich people in this nation now thanks to Democrat policies, which is what it was all about to begin with.
Doohh!! Lets see if that's right.
Reagan 8-years
Bush-1 4-years
Clinton 8-years
Bush-2 8-years
So the GOP had the government for 20 of the last 28 years. The problem is that Big Money calls the shots and simply buys both parties. After all, the top 1% that owns 90% of everything makes the "little people" pay taxes while their money is off-shore.
The truth is Democrats have had a monopoly on all government for almost a century, bar a few politicians and Presidents, and why the system is slanted to pro-government policies at the people's expense.
Unfortunate, but true. Some very rich people in this nation now thanks to Democrat policies, which is what it was all about to begin with.
Doohh!! Lets see if that's right.
Reagan 8-years
Bush-1 4-years
Clinton 8-years
Bush-2 8-years
So the GOP had the government for 20 of the last 28 years. The problem is that Big Money calls the shots and simply buys both parties. After all, the top 1% that owns 90% of everything makes the "little people" pay taxes while their money is off-shore.
The President is such a skewed office. Just because you had a Republican or Democrat in office does not let you know who is controlling policy. It is the majority in Congress and the Senate that make policy. So you get a better feel of who is running things by the Speaker of the House. I really should not be telling anyone this. I am sure you already knew. This is a political message board after all.
Doohh!! Lets see if that's right.
Reagan 8-years
Bush-1 4-years
Clinton 8-years
Bush-2 8-years
So the GOP had the government for 20 of the last 28 years. The problem is that Big Money calls the shots and simply buys both parties. After all, the top 1% that owns 90% of everything makes the "little people" pay taxes while their money is off-shore.
The President is such a skewed office. Just because you had a Republican or Democrat in office does not let you know who is controlling policy. It is the majority in Congress and the Senate that make policy. So you get a better feel of who is running things by the Speaker of the House. I really should not be telling anyone this. I am sure you already knew. This is a political message board after all.
Tell me that the political whores aren't bought-off by lobbyists and anyone with a bag or freezer full of cash? But I'm sure you already knew this....as well as that the Prez has much more power running the government and enforcing/interpreting/not-enforcing laws passed by Congress. The Speaker is a mid-level functionary with no real people under his control, the prez runs the entire Federal Government and nearly all employees.
Obama: GOP trying to destroy Social Security
Obama: GOP trying to destroy Social Security - Politics - White House - msnbc.com
as is the case with obama....yet another lie
because the truth is:
Most Republicans, in fact, are wary of touching that idea, because Social Security is virtually sacrosanct to voters, particularly seniors.
and some democrats support the idea, but leave it to the liar in chief to sling mud and really have the "change" and end partisan bickering....
did you "forget" that the dems controlled congress from 2007 on? you know, when the economy started to tank....
and bush used his little veto pen for the first time in his presidency... frequently.... every time the dems tried to do anything.
so you might want to not try to lay the blame on the dems. ultimately, it was the dems who bailed out his butt.
you know what amazes me... that a goodly percentage of the country thinks president obama signed the TARP bill into law.
nutters... apparently Obama was president in october 2008.
that is not true jillian...his first veto was in 2005
and it is wholly untrue he did it "every time the dems tried to do anything"...i think he had maybe a dozen vetoes...he has the record as having one of hte lowest veto history's for presidents
care to back your claims? i just googled it...i guess it was 2006 according to this link and its only 12
Presidential Vetos - Bills Vetoed by President George W. Bush (2001-2008)
Millions of mostly Democrat federal, state, and local workers and GROWING do not pay into Social Security. How do Democrats say they support Social Security, when millions of them don't even pay into the system??????
And millions more already retired over the decades since SS inception without contributing to the system. The Feds at least partially stopped this injustice when all new employees hired after 1983 had to pay into it.
Step 1 for SS reform, everyone has to pay into the system, even elitist government workers.
After that, fix it.
Not really.Wait. 2,000,000 federal workers don't pay into SocSec? Seriously?