Obama first since Ike to win 51% twice

[Procrustes Stretched]

Jake Starkey, did I tickle a nerve in your funny bone?

Define hypocrite/hypocrisy as you accused me of in your post #112. What did I say or do that was hypocritical??

Is calling classical literature, reminding the clueless that there is a world beyond "American Idol" trolling??

If you met me face to face, fist to fist, you would not call me little.
And certainly would not call me your buddy. As you dared in your post #113.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Jake Starkey, did I tickle a nerve in your funny bone?

Define hypocrite/hypocrisy as you accused me of in your post #112. What did I say or do that was hypocritical??

Is calling classical literature, reminding the clueless that there is a world beyond "American Idol" trolling??

If you met me face to face, fist to fist, you would not call me little.
And certainly would not call me your buddy. As you dared in your post #113.

#113 above, little troll buddy.

Your nonsense remains me of the record of meanness of Thomas More, one time counselor to Henry VIII, who would imprison, torture, and burn a person for his insistence of a mistranslated Greek term or word in the Holy Scriptures.

The mean spiritedness, the hatred, of the ultra right and the libertarian wing are destroying the GOP. You epitomize that wrong headedness.

 

[blackhawk]

I asked the question several pages back exactly what does one have to come out of a election with to have a mandate not one answer from anyone from the right, left, or center to that. So it looks like mandate is one of those words everyone likes to throw around but no one seems to know what it takes to get one.

wrong again Sherlock. It depends on the definition of the term.

Conservative and Republicans always say Reagan had a mandate in both his wins. One was an electoral college(ec) mandate, the other was an ec and a popular mandate.

Then there is a fight over the exact numbers and turn out. There is also the case of what exactly was campaigned on?

Obama campaigned on raising the taxes on the wealthy and his opponents all campaigned on the opposite. In Congress more people voted for Democrats than Republicans

Long winded way of saying you can't answer the question thanks for proving my point.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I asked the question several pages back exactly what does one have to come out of a election with to have a mandate not one answer from anyone from the right, left, or center to that. So it looks like mandate is one of those words everyone likes to throw around but no one seems to know what it takes to get one.

wrong again Sherlock. It depends on the definition of the term.

Conservative and Republicans always say Reagan had a mandate in both his wins. One was an electoral college(ec) mandate, the other was an ec and a popular mandate.

Then there is a fight over the exact numbers and turn out. There is also the case of what exactly was campaigned on?

Obama campaigned on raising the taxes on the wealthy and his opponents all campaigned on the opposite. In Congress more people voted for Democrats than Republicans

Long winded way of saying you can't answer the question thanks for proving my point.

Dante clearly and with example answered the question and made blackhawk look like a stupid troll.

I voted for Reagan twice (though I ended up leaving the service because of Iran-Contra as did so many others), and RR would tell bh to STFU.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I asked the question several pages back exactly what does one have to come out of a election with to have a mandate not one answer from anyone from the right, left, or center to that. So it looks like mandate is one of those words everyone likes to throw around but no one seems to know what it takes to get one.

wrong again Sherlock. It depends on the definition of the term.

Conservative and Republicans always say Reagan had a mandate in both his wins. One was an electoral college(ec) mandate, the other was an ec and a popular mandate.

Then there is a fight over the exact numbers and turn out. There is also the case of what exactly was campaigned on?

Obama campaigned on raising the taxes on the wealthy and his opponents all campaigned on the opposite. In Congress more people voted for Democrats than Republicans

Long winded way of saying you can't answer the question thanks for proving my point.

wrong again Sherlock: 2 for 2

 

[Ringel05]

It all depends on how one defines 'mandate' doesn't it?

The GOP has always claimed a mandate no matter what the numbers involved in a win for them

Seems the Dems have to....... and this is a good thing?

It's neither good nor bad, it's a political argument. There is no golden 'mandate' rule handed down by the gods of democracy or the founders. There is only a political argument to be made in the public arena,

So you're saying you don't mind when the Pubs get upset when the Dems are trying to force a specific agenda down the nation's throat and visa versa......... Or that you're okay with specific agendas being forced down our throats as long as you agree with those agendas...... Uuuummmmmm............

 

[Quantum Windbag]

What does that mean...that the economy was still sluggish, that unemployment was still struggling...it's a wonder to some that Obama was not thrown out of office, yet here we are...

President Obama defied certain odds to win a reelection with what many thought too many strikes against him'


imagine that

Sounds like when Reagan and Clinton ran for reelection, and they both got more votes the second time than the first. What was your point, exactly?

really? What planet are you living on? Obama won with highest unemployment rate of any President since FDR.

The unemployment rate was cited often as the number one reason he would not win.

there are other odds Obama beat. so stop being a dipshit and give the man his due. stop sounding like a right wing loon

You mentioned FDR, wonderful. Did you notice that he actually won his second term with more votes than his first despite the fact that we were in the worst depression before the one Obama inherited?

Seriously dude, Obama made history, celebrate it.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Seems the Dems have to....... and this is a good thing?

It's neither good nor bad, it's a political argument. There is no golden 'mandate' rule handed down by the gods of democracy or the founders. There is only a political argument to be made in the public arena,

So you're saying you don't mind when the Pubs get upset when the Dems are trying to force a specific agenda down the nation's throat and visa versa......... Or that you're okay with specific agendas being forced down our throats as long as you agree with those agendas...... Uuuummmmmm............

The only time I would get upset is when a party or President thinks they have carte blanche to do anything they desire which is outside of what they campaigned on...what the people voted on.

No agenda is forced down the people's throats if they voted for it. That is Tea Party imbecility speaking.

People fought the conservative Contract on America, but there was no denying the conservatives elected on that agenda had an obligation to TRY and enact it. Others were elected to fight it.

btw: Obamacare was not forced down anyone's throat. A duly elected Congress passed it, a duly elected President signed it into law, and a duly appointed Supreme Court ruled it constitutional.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Sounds like when Reagan and Clinton ran for reelection, and they both got more votes the second time than the first. What was your point, exactly?

really? What planet are you living on? Obama won with highest unemployment rate of any President since FDR.

The unemployment rate was cited often as the number one reason he would not win.

there are other odds Obama beat. so stop being a dipshit and give the man his due. stop sounding like a right wing loon

You mentioned FDR, wonderful. Did you notice that he actually won his second term with more votes than his first despite the fact that we were in the worst depression before the one Obama inherited?

Seriously dude, Obama made history, celebrate it.

spin it any way you want it, but the facts remain the same. Not even FOX News can help you with this one.

since FDR, every other President with numbers as bad as Obama's numbers lost.

 

[FJO]

Jake Starkey, did I tickle a nerve in your funny bone?

Define hypocrite/hypocrisy as you accused me of in your post #112. What did I say or do that was hypocritical??

Is calling classical literature, reminding the clueless that there is a world beyond "American Idol" trolling??

If you met me face to face, fist to fist, you would not call me little.
And certainly would not call me your buddy. As you dared in your post #113.

Another (or is it the same??) illiterate who has to resort to using a silly emoticon, because his unionized public school "education" limits his word power?

 

[FJO]

Jake Starkey, did I tickle a nerve in your funny bone?

Define hypocrite/hypocrisy as you accused me of in your post #112. What did I say or do that was hypocritical??

Is calling classical literature, reminding the clueless that there is a world beyond "American Idol" trolling??

If you met me face to face, fist to fist, you would not call me little.
And certainly would not call me your buddy. As you dared in your post #113.

#113 above, little troll buddy.

Your nonsense remains me of the record of meanness of Thomas More, one time counselor to Henry VIII, who would imprison, torture, and burn a person for his insistence of a mistranslated Greek term or word in the Holy Scriptures.

The mean spiritedness, the hatred, of the ultra right and the libertarian wing are destroying the GOP. You epitomize that wrong headedness.

The demise of the GOP, just like the demise of Mark Twain was at the time, is highly over rated and premature.

You and your ilk is more like the counselor of Henry VIII, in modern days known as Barack Hussain Obama.

 

[Meathead]

The demise of the GOP, just like the demise of Mark Twain was at the time, is highly over rated and premature.

I believe Twain's observation was, "The rumours of my death have been greatly exaggerated."

 

[Zoom]

Final Tally Shows Obama First Since

Barack Obama is the first president in more than five decades to win at least 51 percent of the national popular vote twice, according to a revised vote count in New York eight weeks after the Nov. 6 election.

rw's have said President Obama does not have a mandate. That's wishful thinking on their part.

Difference is obamaturd is a socialist pos. He got reelected thanks to the welfare and hispanic vote.

Perfect. You are the perfect right wing nut we need to win again in 2916. Pleased don't change.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

thread killers rule


outta here

 

[Ringel05]

It's neither good nor bad, it's a political argument. There is no golden 'mandate' rule handed down by the gods of democracy or the founders. There is only a political argument to be made in the public arena,

So you're saying you don't mind when the Pubs get upset when the Dems are trying to force a specific agenda down the nation's throat and visa versa......... Or that you're okay with specific agendas being forced down our throats as long as you agree with those agendas...... Uuuummmmmm............

The only time I would get upset is when a party or President thinks they have carte blanche to do anything they desire which is outside of what they campaigned on...what the people voted on.

No agenda is forced down the people's throats if they voted for it. That is Tea Party imbecility speaking.

People fought the conservative Contract on America, but there was no denying the conservatives elected on that agenda had an obligation to TRY and enact it. Others were elected to fight it.

btw: Obamacare was not forced down anyone's throat. A duly elected Congress passed it, a duly elected President signed it into law, and a duly appointed Supreme Court ruled it constitutional.

I thought we were talking mandates here. If almost one half of the country voted against "something" (someone and that politician's specific agenda) and said agenda is ultimately enacted via the typical political maneuvering/conniving then by definition it is a policy that is being rammed down at least half the country's throat, despite your "teaparty" deflection. Oh and I wasn't specifically naming any policy.
Bush and the republicans thought they had carte blanche at the time and now so does Obama and the Dems neither did or do.
As for "Obamacare", that's a whole can of worms that has been discussed elsewhere. (God bless the insurance industry and their mostly successful lobbyists..............)

 

[Meathead]

Obama had a mandate in the 2008 election. He blew it. No mandate this time around, obviously.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

So you're saying you don't mind when the Pubs get upset when the Dems are trying to force a specific agenda down the nation's throat and visa versa......... Or that you're okay with specific agendas being forced down our throats as long as you agree with those agendas...... Uuuummmmmm............

The only time I would get upset is when a party or President thinks they have carte blanche to do anything they desire which is outside of what they campaigned on...what the people voted on.

No agenda is forced down the people's throats if they voted for it. That is Tea Party imbecility speaking.

People fought the conservative Contract on America, but there was no denying the conservatives elected on that agenda had an obligation to TRY and enact it. Others were elected to fight it.

btw: Obamacare was not forced down anyone's throat. A duly elected Congress passed it, a duly elected President signed it into law, and a duly appointed Supreme Court ruled it constitutional.

I thought we were talking mandates here. If almost one half of the country voted against "something" (someone and that politician's specific agenda) and said agenda is Ultimately enacted via the typical political maneuvering/conniving then by definition it is a policy that is being rammed down at least half the country's throat, despite your "teaparty" deflection. Oh and I wasn't specifically naming any policy.
Bush and the republicans thought they had carte blanche at the time and now so does Obama and the Dems.
As for "Obamacare", that's a whole can of worms that has been discussed elsewhere. (God bless the insurance industry and their mostly successful lobbyists..............)

We are talking mandates: 2: : an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people> Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

In a representative democracy we all agree ahead of time, before a vote is taken, that to have the winning side pursue an agenda that was voted on is not a shoving down the throats of people who disagree. We have elections to remedy things. this is similar to calling taxation in a representative democracy, theft...it's imbecilic.

Bush and the GOP said they had 'political capitol' and a mandate to do what they wanted, not do what they ran on.

Obamacare is constitutional and in 2008 most everyone agreed something, almost anything had to be done on the health care issue. Then the misinformation and manipulation of facts and discourse started and we had people talking about death panels and elders and veterans saying stupid things like get the government hands off their government payments.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Obama had a mandate in the 2008 election. He blew it. No mandate this time around, obviously.

What were President Obama's campaign issues, the very ones the GOP ran against...and lost? Higher taxes for the wealthy and....

 

[Meathead]

Obama had a mandate in the 2008 election. He blew it. No mandate this time around, obviously.

What were President Obama's campaign issues, the very ones the GOP ran against...and lost? Higher taxes for the wealthy and....

Even with the realization that you're pretty ditzy, what the hell is your point? Do you honestly think he has a mandate?! Again, in 2008 he did. He no longer does.

Please, spare me the convoluted "percentage of voters..." bit. No one can figure that one out.

 

[Ringel05]

The only time I would get upset is when a party or President thinks they have carte blanche to do anything they desire which is outside of what they campaigned on...what the people voted on.

No agenda is forced down the people's throats if they voted for it. That is Tea Party imbecility speaking.

People fought the conservative Contract on America, but there was no denying the conservatives elected on that agenda had an obligation to TRY and enact it. Others were elected to fight it.

btw: Obamacare was not forced down anyone's throat. A duly elected Congress passed it, a duly elected President signed it into law, and a duly appointed Supreme Court ruled it constitutional.

I thought we were talking mandates here. If almost one half of the country voted against "something" (someone and that politician's specific agenda) and said agenda is Ultimately enacted via the typical political maneuvering/conniving then by definition it is a policy that is being rammed down at least half the country's throat, despite your "teaparty" deflection. Oh and I wasn't specifically naming any policy.
Bush and the republicans thought they had carte blanche at the time and now so does Obama and the Dems.
As for "Obamacare", that's a whole can of worms that has been discussed elsewhere. (God bless the insurance industry and their mostly successful lobbyists..............)

We are talking mandates: 2: : an authorization to act given to a representative <accepted the mandate of the people> Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

In a representative democracy we all agree ahead of time, before a vote is taken, that to have the winning side pursue an agenda that was voted on is not a shoving down the throats of people who disagree. We have elections to remedy things. this is similar to calling taxation in a representative democracy, theft...it's imbecilic.

Bush and the GOP said they had 'political capitol' and a mandate to do what they wanted, not do what they ran on.

Obamacare is constitutional and in 2008 most everyone agreed something, almost anything had to be done on the health care issue. Then the misinformation and manipulation of facts and discourse started and we had people talking about death panels and elders and veterans saying stupid things like get the government hands off their government payments.

Ya left out part of the definition of Mandate, one example:

He won the election so convincingly that he believed he had been given a mandate for change.

Mandate - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Notice the bolded words "so convincingly". (Generally referred to as a landslide win).

And again I wasn't discussing Obamacare, you brought it up, I responded.

Oh, BTW, I'm for higher taxes on the wealthy.