Obama and the Surge?

[jreeves]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcIeoSHTyCI]YouTube - Obama's Iraq Problem: Change That Works For Him[/ame]

 

[editec]

Oh yeah...that surge has worked alright...

15 July 2008

At least 35 people have been killed and more than 50 injured in a double suicide bombing north of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, army sources say.

 

[midcan5]

'The surge worked' is a myth, but so long as msm is conservative honest assessments of the situation there will not be reported. if the surge worked why are we not leaving would be the simple question.

"I repeat: the entire war and occupation are immoral. If you criticize the Bush administration on the grounds that it "bungled" the war, this leaves one, and only one, inevitable implication: if they had prosecuted the war and occupation "competently," then you would have no complaints whatsoever. That is: you think the invasion and occupation of Iraq were justified and moral. If that's what you actually think, you belong in the Bush camp. You're arguing over managerial style, and about issues that are entirely trivial."


paradigm iraq immoral
Once Upon a Time...: Trapped in the Wrong Paradigm: Three Handy Rules

 

[doeton]

if the surge worked.

why aren't the troops home?

 

[Charles_Main]

Wow even Obama now admits the Surge has dramatically improved the situation on the ground. Still you guys can't.

To rich.

 

[doeton]

charlie,

for the surge to have worked the violence will need to remain reduced after the surge.

if troop levels continue at the surge level - then it's not a surge it's an escalation

considering the iraqi government wants us out of there. it's hard to conceive of how the surge has worked.

but i'm listening.

 

[Charles_Main]

charlie,

for the surge to have worked the violence will need to remain reduced after the surge.

if troop levels continue at the surge level - then it's not a surge it's an escalation

considering the iraqi government wants us out of there. it's hard to conceive of how the surge has worked.

but i'm listening.

Hey the surge succeeded in lowering the violence, That the Iraqis have failed to capitalize on it is not the fault of the surge.

What I would rather talk about, is how Obama first said that 30k new troops would not improve things and would in fact make them worse, and now he says he always knew 30k more troops would improve things.

 

[Shogun]

we'll be talking about "the surge" one year from now when we are still in iraq.


and the year after that. and the year after that. and the year...

 

[BrianH]

Oh yeah...that surge has worked alright...

15 July 2008

At least 35 people have been killed and more than 50 injured in a double suicide bombing north of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, army sources say.

There were 308 people murdered in New York City between January and June of this year. That averages out to about 52 murders per month....We don't have it much better than Iraq...we just have a different method...

 

[Dirt McGirt]

There were 308 people murdered in New York City between January and June of this year. That averages out to about 52 murders per month....We don't have it much better than Iraq...we just have a different method...

That's insane to compare the number of Soldier deaths in Iraq with the murder rate of New York. New York City has 8.2 million people living there. Even the Bureau of Justice cites the murder rate per 100,000 people when comparing populations.

 

[jreeves]

Oh yeah...that surge has worked alright...

15 July 2008

At least 35 people have been killed and more than 50 injured in a double suicide bombing north of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, army sources say.

Violence in Iraq down significantly, US report says | World news | guardian.co.uk
Violence in Iraq has dropped considerably in recent months, as Iraqi military cooperation and a willingness among Iraqis to settle differences without violence have led to a broad decrease in civilian deaths, according to a report issued by the US military today.

In a quarterly report to the US Congress, the department of defence said civilian deaths are down more than 80% from the height of sectarian violence in November 2006.
Total "security incidents" have declined to the lowest level in four years, the report states.
The report acknowledges that "high-profile" suicide attacks continue, but said the decreasing violence suggests the bloodshed no longer sparks rounds of ethnic recrimination.


Lmao....take one incident and translate to the result of the 'Surge'....
You would have to blindfolded if you didn't realize an 80% drop in violence is a dramatic drop....
Of course you are, by partisanship.

 

[jreeves]

charlie,

for the surge to have worked the violence will need to remain reduced after the surge.

if troop levels continue at the surge level - then it's not a surge it's an escalation

considering the iraqi government wants us out of there. it's hard to conceive of how the surge has worked.

but i'm listening.

In Iraq, the U.S. is withdrawing the last of its five "surge" brigades: those sent to Iraq in 2007 to bolster U.S. forces there.

Pentagon looks at cuts in Iraq, additions in Afghanistan - CNN.com

Hmmm....That puts us at where we were before the surge correct?

 

[Charles_Main]

In Iraq, the U.S. is withdrawing the last of its five "surge" brigades: those sent to Iraq in 2007 to bolster U.S. forces there.

Pentagon looks at cuts in Iraq, additions in Afghanistan - CNN.com

Hmmm....That puts us at where we were before the surge correct?

Umm sure, only with more time past in which to prepare the Iraqis to fill the role.

 

[jreeves]

Umm sure, only with more time past in which to prepare the Iraqis to fill the role.

That was my point, also with 80% less violence.

 

[BrianH]

That's insane to compare the number of Soldier deaths in Iraq with the murder rate of New York. New York City has 8.2 million people living there. Even the Bureau of Justice cites the murder rate per 100,000 people when comparing populations.

Why? There is approx. 7 million people in Baghdad... What does it matter what the method is of killing people? Where criminals over there prefer to blow people up, the people of New York choose different methods.

What I'm saying, is that people flip out over this crap because the media jumps all over any little incident and paints it as a picture of chaos all over Iraq. If CNN covered every murder in New York every day, we'd think New York was just as violent....and wonder why the police even bother.

It's not insane at all to compare the two. Did you know the Texas border is just as dangerous as Iraq is? The media doesn't harp on it like they do every little incident in Iraq. If they did, you'd be hearing about incidents every day.

 

[Wow]

To prove Obama is the typical wacko Liberal hack, he says Iraq is a disaster and Chicago (Which has a gun ban) is more violent than Bagdad.

Obama is an international imbecile!

 

[CharlestonChad]

Why? There is approx. 7 million people in Baghdad... What does it matter what the method is of killing people? Where criminals over there prefer to blow people up, the people of New York choose different methods.

What I'm saying, is that people flip out over this crap because the media jumps all over any little incident and paints it as a picture of chaos all over Iraq. If CNN covered every murder in New York every day, we'd think New York was just as violent....and wonder why the police even bother.

It's not insane at all to compare the two. Did you know the Texas border is just as dangerous as Iraq is? The media doesn't harp on it like they do every little incident in Iraq. If they did, you'd be hearing about incidents every day.

Maybe if we poured billions upon billions upon billions of $ into NewYorks police force and brought in our military, and still had those numbers, then we could make a comparison.