Obama and the Surge?

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    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcIeoSHTyCI]YouTube - Obama's Iraq Problem: Change That Works For Him[/ame]
     
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    Oh yeah...that surge has worked alright...

    15 July 2008

    At least 35 people have been killed and more than 50 injured in a double suicide bombing north of the Iraqi capital, Baghdad, army sources say.
     
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    'The surge worked' is a myth, but so long as msm is conservative honest assessments of the situation there will not be reported. if the surge worked why are we not leaving would be the simple question.

    "I repeat: the entire war and occupation are immoral. If you criticize the Bush administration on the grounds that it "bungled" the war, this leaves one, and only one, inevitable implication: if they had prosecuted the war and occupation "competently," then you would have no complaints whatsoever. That is: you think the invasion and occupation of Iraq were justified and moral. If that's what you actually think, you belong in the Bush camp. You're arguing over managerial style, and about issues that are entirely trivial."


    paradigm iraq immoral
    Once Upon a Time...: Trapped in the Wrong Paradigm: Three Handy Rules
     
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    if the surge worked.

    why aren't the troops home?
     
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    Wow even Obama now admits the Surge has dramatically improved the situation on the ground. Still you guys can't.

    To rich.
     
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    charlie,

    for the surge to have worked the violence will need to remain reduced after the surge.

    if troop levels continue at the surge level - then it's not a surge it's an escalation

    considering the iraqi government wants us out of there. it's hard to conceive of how the surge has worked.

    but i'm listening.
     
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    Hey the surge succeeded in lowering the violence, That the Iraqis have failed to capitalize on it is not the fault of the surge.

    What I would rather talk about, is how Obama first said that 30k new troops would not improve things and would in fact make them worse, and now he says he always knew 30k more troops would improve things.
     
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    Shogun Free: Mudholes Stomped

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    we'll be talking about "the surge" one year from now when we are still in iraq.


    and the year after that. and the year after that. and the year...
     
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    There were 308 people murdered in New York City between January and June of this year. That averages out to about 52 murders per month....We don't have it much better than Iraq...we just have a different method...
     
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    That's insane to compare the number of Soldier deaths in Iraq with the murder rate of New York. New York City has 8.2 million people living there. Even the Bureau of Justice cites the murder rate per 100,000 people when comparing populations.
     

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