"O-Care Premiums to Skyrocket"?

Inelastic market has runaway costs. Government steps in and mandates inelasticity. Inelasticity and runaway costs remain.

Is that supposed to make sense? Free markets are not inelastic, in fact, they are exactly the opposite of inelastic.

:lol:

Demand for health insurance is relatively inelastic for a lot of reasons. Once people have insurance their demand for services is inelastic.

The market is inherently bad at controlling costs even before Obamacare. Obamacare basically confirmed the inelasticity that was already present.

Meanwhile you are going to the old conservitard standby, cry "free market" and derp away.

That's completely wrong. Demand for health insurance is not inelastic, unless you fabricate that "insurance" is monolithic in nature.

It is not. Back in 2006, I had a very simple, very cheap health insurance policy, that was only $67 a month.

It was an independent policy, not connected to any job. Thanks to ObamaCare, now all those plans are gone, because ObamaCrap mandated a minimum coverage, which of course drives up prices.

One of the few free-market incentives to keep plan prices low, was that they had to be low enough that people didn't go for these cheaper plans.

Now those plans are gone. So prices naturally raise on the insurance plans that already existed..

But more than that, ObamaCrap does a various things, that people both inside and outside the insurance business, all said would have no other effect than to drive up costs drastically.

Pre-existing conditions. If you have someone who doesn't have insurance, and refuses to get insurance, and then gets sick or harmed, and then applies and can not be refused for insurance.... who covers that cost?

Well of course the premium payers. That's us.... we pay for it through higher premiums.

Another way, is through the pre-made plans, which cover explicitly defined terms. This is the exact reverse of my first point.

Having government enforced, pre-defined plans, drives up prices by driving out competition.

If you are a small independent car manufacturer, how do you compete with the big companies? How do you compete with Ford, and GM, and Toyota?

There is only one primary way. It's on differentiating your product. People say you compete on price, but that's not really true. You make the product cheaper, and that's how you lower the price. ForTwo. It's a cheaper product, which is why it sells for $13K.

The other way would be the Jaguar XF. In that case, it's a much better product, and that has a higher price.

Now imagine if the government came in and made pre-defined cars. Everyone has to sell the Taurus. Jaguar Taurus, the BMW Taurus, Toyota Taurus.

This is exactly what the government did with insurance. Any company can sell any plan they want, at whatever price they want, provide the fit the pre-defined plans.

Do you think BMW would be selling cars, if they had to follow the Taurus government defined car? Or Jaguar? Or at the other end, Smart?

Smart wouldn't be able to under cut the price, because the minimum standards would be.... Taurus. It would end up being within a thousand to a few hundred in cost. If it almost costs the same, why would anyone not pick the real Ford Taurus?

Jaguar and BMW, wouldn't be able to add any real features, because they have to follow the governments pre-defined plan. Thus they wouldn't be able to sell many at a higher price than the Ford Taurus.

As a result, competition would dry up. The same thing happens in Insurance. Being able to come up with a different insurance plan, allows smaller companies to compete with bigger companies, which drive down cost.

And lastly, and this is almost a bigger issue than the others.

And I don't know why no one else seems to have picked up on this, but one of the largest drivers of increasing cost, is Medicare and Medicaid.

Hospitals, Doctors, and Clinics, all lose money on Medicare and Medicaid. As far as I can tell Medicare rarely ever covers the full cost, and Medicaid has never covered the full cost. As a result, all of the expenses of Medicare and Medicaid patients, are all passed onto Premium payers. That's us.

Well ObamaCrap mandates an increase to both Medicare and Medicaid coverage, and this increase in Medi-Patients is directly driving up costs.

I posted an article by the BBC, which talked about ObamaCrap, and tried to defend it, and yet everywhere the BBC reporter went, she found endless examples of people saying it was terrible, and harming the system. (link below).

ObamaCare is a nightmare. Cause and effect. Economic train wreck. Why people don't grasp that when you mandate more coverage to more people, the natural result is more cost, I don't know. Public education fail? I don't know. I don't get it.
 
Obamacare was never meant to function properly. In fact, it was designed to fail so government could justify a completely government run system.
 
Obamacare was never meant to function properly. In fact, it was designed to fail so government could justify a completely government run system.

You are implying that government politicians are smart enough to design a plan that has enough believable validity to convince all the skeptics it was designed with good intent, and yet bad enough to cause the entire system to fail, but fail in such a way as to not implicate the authors of the system, yet fail just well enough to have the public come to the very people who created the system, and demand more regulation and legislation to fix the problem they created.

While that may in fact be the results of what we are seeing played out..... I honestly do not believe that anyone in government has half the intelligence required to create and implement such a plan, without having it leaked to the public, and a huge backlash to ensue.

More likely, they actually believe in, and support socialism, and simply blame everyone else for when it fails.
 
Of course they weren't that smart. That's why they just lied and told everyone to pass it to find out what's in it.
 
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O-Care premiums to skyrocket | TheHill


Health industry officials say ObamaCare-related premiums will double in some parts of the country, countering claims recently made by the administration.

The expected rate hikes will be announced in the coming months amid an intense election year, when control of the Senate is up for grabs. The sticker shock would likely bolster the GOP’s prospects in November and hamper ObamaCare insurance enrollment efforts in 2015.

The industry complaints come less than a week after Health and Human Services (HHS) Secretary Kathleen Sebelius sought to downplay concerns about rising premiums in the healthcare sector. She told lawmakers rates would increase in 2015 but grow more slowly than in the past.

“The increases are far less significant than what they were prior to the Affordable Care Act,” the secretary said in testimony before the House Ways and Means Committee.

Her comment baffled insurance officials, who said it runs counter to the industry’s consensus about next year.


“It’s pretty shortsighted because I think everybody knows that the way the exchange has rolled out … is going to lead to higher costs,” said one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity.



Here we go.

We'll see, huh?

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Oh, "health industry officials". Who would that be exactly? Oh, it is "one senior insurance executive who requested anonymity".

Wow, there's some powerful, indepth reporting there....
 
I guess we won't have to wait long for the proof. Rates are suppose to be out prior to November? Should be well publicized and obvious what rates will be.
 

I noticed a few things in that article:

1. It looks like an overall increase of 7.5% at this point. Did wages rise 7.5% this year? Seems like that will be a problem.

2. Many of the states didn't report yet (27). That percentage rise is very likely going to go up.

3. California is shown as 0% on the chart, yet the details under the chart indicate a 4.2% weighted average increase.

4. BCBS looks to increase 9%. Do you think they are pricing themselves out of the market? Doubtful.
 

I noticed a few things in that article:

1. It looks like an overall increase of 7.5% at this point. Did wages rise 7.5% this year? Seems like that will be a problem.

2. Many of the states didn't report yet (27). That percentage rise is very likely going to go up.

3. California is shown as 0% on the chart, yet the details under the chart indicate a 4.2% weighted average increase.

4. BCBS looks to increase 9%. Do you think they are pricing themselves out of the market? Doubtful.

7.5% is a hefty increase. Still less than the increases we saw each year leading up to the passage of the ACA. You can bitch about it....but your bitch has nothing to do with the law. The law has ameliorated the problem somewhat.
 
Any increase no matter how slight is going to have the worst effect. The public is already raw. A grain or two of salt is just what the public needs.
 
You are going to see MUCH bigger increases.

We are a non profit and we had to file for a 40% increase.

Not a dime of Risk Corridor money has flowed yet.

Oh yeah! Everyone's premiums will double. Some will triple. It's coming! It's coming!

Meaning you don't have any use for the truth.

LL you are a puke and no more.

OK, chief. I'm a puke and you are a know it all who consistently fails to demonstrate knowledge. Good stuff.
 

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