NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Desecrating its Gods

[Pogo]

Haven't seen this posted yet but I find this psychologically revealing:
This happened at a gun buy-back organized in Tucson last week on the second anniversary of the shooting that wounded Gabrielle Giffords and seventeen other people...

NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Destroying Guns

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in." That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' " Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

"Illegal to destroy guns".... your own guns that you just bought... just letting that sink in...

I've been noting for months that what we have is a national gun fetish and that what got Bob Costas so much blowback was that he committed the sin of blasphemy; that he dared to question the divinity of Almighty Gun. Well, here it is, writ large. If threatening to sue the city for the blasphemy of desecrating Almighty Gun doesn't amount to a fetish, then I just don't know enough about sexual perversion.

What say ye?

 

[BallsBrunswick]

What do you expect from "men" that use guns as a penis substitute?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Haven't seen this posted yet but I find this psychologically revealing:
This happened at a gun buy-back organized in Tucson last week on the second anniversary of the shooting that wounded Gabrielle Giffords and seventeen other people...

NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Destroying Guns

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in." That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' " Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

"Illegal to destroy guns".... your own guns that you just bought... just letting that sink in...

I've been noting for months that what we have is a national gun fetish and that what got Bob Costas so much blowback was that he committed the sin of blasphemy; that he dared to question the divinity of Almighty Gun. Well, here it is, writ large. If threatening to sue the city for the blasphemy of desecrating Almighty Gun doesn't amount to a fetish, then I just don't know enough about sexual perversion.

What say ye?

So much for the conservative principle of the sanctity of ‘property rights.’

 

[CaféAuLait]

He was speaking about the law as he understood it ( which he may have misread) in the state that says they are supposed to be used by LE or sold and used by the states general fund.

B. NOTWITHSTANDING SUBSECTION A OF THIS SECTION, IF THE PROPERTY IS A
13 FIREARM, THE COURT SHALL ORDER THE FIREARM TO BE SOLD TO ANY BUSINESS THAT IS
14 AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE AND DISPOSE OF THE FIREARM UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE LAW
15 AND THAT SHALL SELL THE FIREARM TO THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO FEDERAL AND STATE
16 LAW, UNLESS THE FIREARM IS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED FROM BEING SOLD UNDER FEDERAL
17 AND STATE LAW. A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY TRADE A FIREARM THAT IT HAS
18 RETAINED TO A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSED BUSINESS FOR AMMUNITION, WEAPONS,
19 EQUIPMENT OR OTHER MATERIALS TO BE EXCLUSIVELY USED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
20 PURPOSES.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/2r/bills/sb1241s.pdf

http://www.salon.com/2013/01/15/nras_threats_over_gun_buyback_tied_to_alec_legislation/

 

[Pogo]

The culmination of the story I didn't paste:

Rathner says the NRA will ask for an accounting of every weapon turned in and then go to court to stop the firearms from being destroyed. If that doesn't work, Rathner says they'll change the law.

"We just go back and we tweak it and tune it up, and we work with our friends in the Legislature and fix it so they can't do it," Rathner adds.

Epilogue: Steve Kozachik, the Tucson City Councilman who organized this buy-back event, has just abandoned the Republican Party and switched to the Democrats, citing the RP as "ideological outliers".

Kozachik: Why I'm Switching
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[tjvh]

What do you expect from "men" that use guns as a penis substitute?

It occurs to me you must have been with a guy who thought to himself... "If he were to buy a gun, then he would have a great excuse to get as far away from this bitch as humanly possible... Honey, I'm going hunting... See you in a week or two."

 

[OKTexas]

The question is whos money are the using in the "buy back", which is a BS term, because you can only buy back something you sold in the first place. If they use tax money they should be obligated to get as much money in return for the guns as they can. There is no harm in selling them to dealers or collectors to recoup their expenses.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

What do you expect from "men" that use guns as a penis substitute?

It occurs to me you must have been with a guy who thought to himself... "If he were to buy a gun, then he would have a great excuse to get as far away from this bitch as humanly possible... Honey, I'm going hunting... See you in a week or two."

 

[JFK_USA]

The question is whos money are the using in the "buy back", which is a BS term, because you can only buy back something you sold in the first place. If they use tax money they should be obligated to get as much money in return for the guns as they can. There is no harm in selling them to dealers or collectors to recoup their expenses.

No, the whole point is to have less guns on the street. Less guns equal less violence. Some places use gift cards and other tax ride offs. Then they melt it down so it can't fall in the wrong hands.

The lady in the article mention she had 4 rifles that she doesn't use at all and isn't a good shot. Someone can rob her house to take those 4 guns and now they are out on the street.

The point is to keep guns off the street to make it safer for police officers.

 

[OKTexas]

The question is whos money are the using in the "buy back", which is a BS term, because you can only buy back something you sold in the first place. If they use tax money they should be obligated to get as much money in return for the guns as they can. There is no harm in selling them to dealers or collectors to recoup their expenses.

No, the whole point is to have less guns on the street. Less guns equal less violence. Some places use gift cards and other tax ride offs. Then they melt it down so it can't fall in the wrong hands.

The lady in the article mention she had 4 rifles that she doesn't use at all and isn't a good shot. Someone can rob her house to take those 4 guns and now they are out on the street.

The point is to keep guns off the street to make it safer for police officers.

And selling them to responsible people who can pass a background check couldn't accomplish the same thing and make some money in the process? Law abiding citizens are no threat to the police, hell AZ has open carry.

 

[Bfgrn]

Haven't seen this posted yet but I find this psychologically revealing:
This happened at a gun buy-back organized in Tucson last week on the second anniversary of the shooting that wounded Gabrielle Giffords and seventeen other people...

NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Destroying Guns

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in." That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' " Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

"Illegal to destroy guns".... your own guns that you just bought... just letting that sink in...

I've been noting for months that what we have is a national gun fetish and that what got Bob Costas so much blowback was that he committed the sin of blasphemy; that he dared to question the divinity of Almighty Gun. Well, here it is, writ large. If threatening to sue the city for the blasphemy of desecrating Almighty Gun doesn't amount to a fetish, then I just don't know enough about sexual perversion.

What say ye?

So much for the conservative principle of the sanctity of ‘property rights.’

As far as the NRA is concerned, gun rights trump property rights.

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

 

[OKTexas]

Haven't seen this posted yet but I find this psychologically revealing:
This happened at a gun buy-back organized in Tucson last week on the second anniversary of the shooting that wounded Gabrielle Giffords and seventeen other people...

NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Destroying Guns

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in." That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' " Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

"Illegal to destroy guns".... your own guns that you just bought... just letting that sink in...

I've been noting for months that what we have is a national gun fetish and that what got Bob Costas so much blowback was that he committed the sin of blasphemy; that he dared to question the divinity of Almighty Gun. Well, here it is, writ large. If threatening to sue the city for the blasphemy of desecrating Almighty Gun doesn't amount to a fetish, then I just don't know enough about sexual perversion.

What say ye?

So much for the conservative principle of the sanctity of ‘property rights.’

As far as the NRA is concerned, gun rights trump property rights.

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

An opinion piece written by a dude that can't even get his facts right. Notice he puts in a quote without attributing it to anyone, not what you call credible. A lawyer should know better.

 

[Stephanie]

Haven't seen this posted yet but I find this psychologically revealing:
This happened at a gun buy-back organized in Tucson last week on the second anniversary of the shooting that wounded Gabrielle Giffords and seventeen other people...

NRA Vows To Stop Tucson From Destroying Guns

Anna Jolivet had four old rifles she didn't want: "They belonged to my husband, and he passed away four years ago, and I haven't had any success in having someone take them off of me since then. So I thought this is a good time to turn them in." That's exactly what Republican Tucson City Councilman Steve Kozachik expected when he asked the police to do the buyback. What he didn't expect was the response after he announced the event.

"I've been getting threats," Kozachik says. "I've been getting emails. I've been getting phone calls in the office trying to shut this thing down or 'We're going to sue you' or 'Who do you think you are?' " Todd Rathner, an Arizona lobbyist and a national board member of the NRA, may sue. He has no problem with the gun buyback, but he does have a problem with the fate of the guns once police take possession of them.

"We do believe that it is illegal for them to destroy those guns," he says.

"Illegal to destroy guns".... your own guns that you just bought... just letting that sink in...

I've been noting for months that what we have is a national gun fetish and that what got Bob Costas so much blowback was that he committed the sin of blasphemy; that he dared to question the divinity of Almighty Gun. Well, here it is, writ large. If threatening to sue the city for the blasphemy of desecrating Almighty Gun doesn't amount to a fetish, then I just don't know enough about sexual perversion.

What say ye?

So much for the conservative principle of the sanctity of ‘property rights.’

As far as the NRA is concerned, gun rights trump property rights.

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

You must be thinking about Unions

 

[Inthemiddle]

What do you expect from "men" that use guns as a penis substitute?

I presume you'll be changing your avatar immediately, hmmm?

 

[Bfgrn]

So much for the conservative principle of the sanctity of ‘property rights.’

As far as the NRA is concerned, gun rights trump property rights.

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

An opinion piece written by a dude that can't even get his facts right. Notice he puts in a quote without attributing it to anyone, not what you call credible. A lawyer should know better.

Yea, let's focus on punctuation and ignore what this former chief ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush is saying.

Quotation marks can be used to set apart statements or words, adding a loud emphasis to whatever they surround.

 

[buckeye45_73]

The culmination of the story I didn't paste:

Rathner says the NRA will ask for an accounting of every weapon turned in and then go to court to stop the firearms from being destroyed. If that doesn't work, Rathner says they'll change the law.

"We just go back and we tweak it and tune it up, and we work with our friends in the Legislature and fix it so they can't do it," Rathner adds.

Epilogue: Steve Kozachik, the Tucson City Councilman who organized this buy-back event, has just abandoned the Republican Party and switched to the Democrats, citing the RP as "ideological outliers".

Kozachik: Why I'm Switching
,
,
,

Wow liberal tactics used by republicans, and now liberals bitch...the next thing liberals will whine about their own being called out for racist speech.....oh wait.....

 

[bigrebnc1775]

As far as the NRA is concerned, gun rights trump property rights.

The N.R.A. Protection Racket
By RICHARD W. PAINTER


The most blatant protection racket is orchestrated by the National Rifle Association, which is ruthless against candidates who are tempted to stray from its view that all gun regulations are pure evil. Debra Maggart, a Republican leader in the Tennessee House of Representatives, was one of its most recent victims. The N.R.A. spent around $100,000 to defeat her in the primary, because she would not support a bill that would have allowed people to keep guns locked in their cars on private property without the property owner’s consent.

The message to Republicans is clear: “We will help you get elected and protect your seat from Democrats. We will spend millions on ads that make your opponent look worse than the average holdup man robbing a liquor store. In return, we expect you to oppose any laws that regulate guns. These include laws requiring handgun registration, meaningful background checks on purchasers, limiting the right to carry concealed weapons, limiting access to semiautomatic weapons or anything else that would diminish the firepower available to anybody who wants it. And if you don’t comply, we will load our weapons and direct everything in our arsenal at you in the next Republican primary.”

NYTimes

Richard W. Painter, a professor of law at the University of Minnesota, was the chief White House ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush from 2005 to 2007.

An opinion piece written by a dude that can't even get his facts right. Notice he puts in a quote without attributing it to anyone, not what you call credible. A lawyer should know better.

Yea, let's focus on punctuation and ignore what this former chief ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush is saying.

Quotation marks can be used to set apart statements or words, adding a loud emphasis to whatever they surround.

Was he one of those lawyers that told bush water boarding wasn't torture? Or since you think someone from the bush camp agrees with you you think all is OK using bush?
Using bush to defend obama is not a good defense for an argument.

 

[Stephanie]

so Npr has become a National enquire..

how lovely

we need to cut off all funding for that station..They turn around and use it AGAINST US PEOPLE

 

[The Infidel]

He was speaking about the law as he understood it ( which he may have misread) in the state that says they are supposed to be used by LE or sold and used by the states general fund.

B. NOTWITHSTANDING SUBSECTION A OF THIS SECTION, IF THE PROPERTY IS A
13 FIREARM, THE COURT SHALL ORDER THE FIREARM TO BE SOLD TO ANY BUSINESS THAT IS
14 AUTHORIZED TO RECEIVE AND DISPOSE OF THE FIREARM UNDER FEDERAL AND STATE LAW
15 AND THAT SHALL SELL THE FIREARM TO THE PUBLIC ACCORDING TO FEDERAL AND STATE
16 LAW, UNLESS THE FIREARM IS OTHERWISE PROHIBITED FROM BEING SOLD UNDER FEDERAL
17 AND STATE LAW. A LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCY MAY TRADE A FIREARM THAT IT HAS
18 RETAINED TO A FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSED BUSINESS FOR AMMUNITION, WEAPONS,
19 EQUIPMENT OR OTHER MATERIALS TO BE EXCLUSIVELY USED FOR LAW ENFORCEMENT
20 PURPOSES.

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/50leg/2r/bills/sb1241s.pdf

NRA?s threats over gun buyback tied to ALEC legislation - Salon.com

The question is whos money are the using in the "buy back", which is a BS term, because you can only buy back something you sold in the first place. If they use tax money they should be obligated to get as much money in return for the guns as they can. There is no harm in selling them to dealers or collectors to recoup their expenses.

Lets not let the truth get in the way of a good circle jerk.

Lefties just CAN NOT tell the truth. Especially not on this issue.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

An opinion piece written by a dude that can't even get his facts right. Notice he puts in a quote without attributing it to anyone, not what you call credible. A lawyer should know better.

Yea, let's focus on punctuation and ignore what this former chief ethics lawyer for President George W. Bush is saying.

Quotation marks can be used to set apart statements or words, adding a loud emphasis to whatever they surround.

Was he one of those lawyers that told bush water boarding wasn't torture? Or since you think someone from the bush camp agrees with you you think all is OK using bush?
Using bush to defend obama is not a good defense for an argument.

I have a feeling this question will go unanswered.