NRA opposes Fla move to raise age for rifles to 21, the same age for other firearms.

[Cecilie1200]

It's a useless change in the law that will accomplish nothing. It's security theater and nothing more.

If you don't want schools to be shot up with an AR15 type weapon, then don't sell them. It's that simple.

Actually, I kinda want schools not to be shot up with ANY weapon, but since disarming law-abiding people won't accomplish that, your demands are not helpful.

 

[kaz]

Nice. Rick Scott may veto even that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.427311f7f858

Leftists just love creating laws. And you hate enforcing them.

There was every ability to have had this kid locked up as a psycho. The system failed.

Leftists running the schools cracked down on reporting crimes on campus by 2/3. The system failed.

In what possible universe does it make sense to skip by why our already existing laws aren't working and start enacting new laws?

 

[kaz]

Nice. Rick Scott may veto even that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.427311f7f858

I am opposed to it as well unless you change the legal age of being an adult to 21, remove voting rights, military service rights, and everything else that comes when one turns 18 and move it all to 21.

We should have one age of majority in this country. When you hit that age, you can buy booze, join the military, vote, ...

This three year phase in period is BS.

I'd propose 19 because 18 is a bad idea having legal adults in high school. But whatever age it is, let's pick one.

 

[kaz]

It's a useless change in the law that will accomplish nothing. It's security theater and nothing more.

If you don't want schools to be shot up with an AR15 type weapon, then don't sell them. It's that simple.

Actually, I kinda want schools not to be shot up with ANY weapon, but since disarming law-abiding people won't accomplish that, your demands are not helpful.

Leftists are so naive. You don't sell certain guns and poof! No one can get them! You know, like drugs! Idiots

 

[Rigby5]

It's time to begin isolating the NRA...

We see the serious beginnings of this with Enterprise, Symantec, the First National Bank of Omaha, and SimpliSafe, today...

Gotta love it, when the Big Boys begin shunning the Obstructionists and standing alongside The Children's Crusade that now unfolding...

The NRA is being repositioned as a Toxic Brand...

And we may finally have reached a tipping point...

Good...

It's about time...

This is delusional, and a bit scary...

It is not delusional in the slightest, although I'm glad you find it scary.

...What does the NRA have to do with the Parkland school shooting?...

Your Honor, the Prosecution rests.

...The NRA has been urging stronger security in schools for years...

Locking the barn door after the horses have bolted.

...Is it the NRA's fault that the FBI and the local police failed to follow up on clear leads and red flags that should have prevented the shooting many times over?...

Nope.

It is the NRA's fault that they bribed legislators to allow continued access to assault weapons by those under 21.

... And what if Cruz had used a car? Would you be saying it's about time we isolate the AAA auto club and all car makers?

Kinda difficult to get a car into a classroom or up a set of stairs or to quickly move from room to room in the opening seconds of any such attack.

So you don't think that all people should be treated equally under the eyes of the law?
Some should have more rights than others, that rights are not inherent, and that government can arbitrarily deny rights to any group of citizens it wants? How about if that group someone decides is "dangerous", is Jewish, Black, women, etc.?
How are you then not also justifying the attempt by someone else to implement the Holocaust, slavery, etc.?

By what authority could anyone simply deny those from 18 to 21 their rights?
There is no such laws or authority to draw on.
Government would have to just make it up out of thin air, so that what is to prevent them from making up whatever they want, whenever they want?

Please read the definition of an authoritarian regime:

{...
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability under an authoritarian regime.[1] Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:

1. Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;
2. A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;
3. Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;
4. Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]

...}

Gun control in general, and arbitrary age restrictions specifically, fit all the descriptions of an illegal authoritarian regime.

 

[Vastator]

It's time to begin isolating the NRA...

We see the serious beginnings of this with Enterprise, Symantec, the First National Bank of Omaha, and SimpliSafe, today...

Gotta love it, when the Big Boys begin shunning the Obstructionists and standing alongside The Children's Crusade that now unfolding...

The NRA is being repositioned as a Toxic Brand...

And we may finally have reached a tipping point...

Good...

It's about time...

This is delusional, and a bit scary...

It is not delusional in the slightest, although I'm glad you find it scary.

...What does the NRA have to do with the Parkland school shooting?...

Your Honor, the Prosecution rests.

...The NRA has been urging stronger security in schools for years...

Locking the barn door after the horses have bolted.

...Is it the NRA's fault that the FBI and the local police failed to follow up on clear leads and red flags that should have prevented the shooting many times over?...

Nope.

It is the NRA's fault that they bribed legislators to allow continued access to assault weapons by those under 21.

... And what if Cruz had used a car? Would you be saying it's about time we isolate the AAA auto club and all car makers?

Kinda difficult to get a car into a classroom or up a set of stairs or to quickly move from room to room in the opening seconds of any such attack.

So you don't think that all people should be treated equally under the eyes of the law?
Some should have more rights than others, that rights are not inherent, and that government can arbitrarily deny rights to any group of citizens it wants? How about if that group someone decides is "dangerous", is Jewish, Black, women, etc.?
How are you then not also justifying the attempt by someone else to implement the Holocaust, slavery, etc.?

By what authority could anyone simply deny those from 18 to 21 their rights?
There is no such laws or authority to draw on.
Government would have to just make it up out of thin air, so that what is to prevent them from making up whatever they want, whenever they want?

Please read the definition of an authoritarian regime:

{...
Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms. Individual freedoms are subordinate to the state and there is no constitutional accountability under an authoritarian regime.[1] Juan Linz's influential 1964 description of authoritarianism[2] characterized authoritarian political systems by four qualities:

1. Limited political pluralism, that is such regimes place constraints on political institutions and groups like legislatures, political parties and interest groups;
2. A basis for legitimacy based on emotion, especially the identification of the regime as a necessary evil to combat "easily recognizable societal problems" such as underdevelopment or insurgency;
3. Minimal social mobilization most often caused by constraints on the public such as suppression of political opponents and anti-regime activity;
4. Informally defined executive power with often vague and shifting powers.[3]

...}

Gun control in general, and arbitrary age restrictions specifically, fit all the descriptions of an illegal authoritarian regime.

For at least 85% of these leftists who push for “gun control”; the issue is less about guns, and more about control.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

It's a useless change in the law that will accomplish nothing. It's security theater and nothing more.

then so what ?

if thats what it takes and doesnt make a shit either way, then change the law and make "whoever" happy and quit fighting over nothing.

sheeeeeesh

What is the point in making laws that accomplish nothing useful? All that any unnecessary law will accomplish is to increase the burden of government, and make us all less free.

 

[2aguy]

2004 assault weapons ban expired ... the GOP did not renew it..Why because the NRA is lining their pockets ..This alone could have stopped someone like the mentally ill shooter.

Provisions of the 1994 ban. The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act (the Federal AssaultWeapons Ban) was enacted as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. The prohibitions expired on September 13, 2004.

Actually, they let it expire because it was useless. And no, it wouldn't have stopped the shooter. At most, it might have changed his choice of weapon. The gun didn't make his crazy and violent.

His gun killed 18 in minutes...if he used a rifle or regular gun he would not have killed so many.. I disagree with your comment..

.

obviously making a comment like that shows your ignorance

Did that not happen? A mentally ill kid with an assault weapon.

First of all, it did not take just minutes.
Cruz went to several different floors, so probably too more than 10 minutes.

Second is that regular guns are absolutely no different at all from an AR in terms of rate of fire. You still have to aim and pull the trigger once for each separate shot.
And in fact, the first and most popular assault weapons used by the police and military, is the shotgun, because it can kill several people with each pull of the trigger.
And pistols would be able to easily kill about 4 times as many people, because there is even less recoil, and you could have one in each hand.

You should be glad this kid was dumb enough to try to use a rifle when other weapons are much more deadly at such close ranges.

The Virginia Tech shooter murdered 32 people with 2 pistols...

 

[Bob Blaylock]

To expect anyone with concealed carry to tackle a suicidal maniac with an AR15 is just fantasy.

 

[Muhammed]

Nice. Rick Scott may veto even that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.427311f7f858

Only scumbags want young women to be defenseless against rapists.

 

[2aguy]

2004 assault weapons ban expired ... the GOP did not renew it..Why because the NRA is lining their pockets ..This alone could have stopped someone like the mentally ill shooter.

Provisions of the 1994 ban. The Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Act (the Federal AssaultWeapons Ban) was enacted as part of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994. The prohibitions expired on September 13, 2004.

Actually, they let it expire because it was useless. And no, it wouldn't have stopped the shooter. At most, it might have changed his choice of weapon. The gun didn't make his crazy and violent.

His gun killed 18 in minutes...if he used a rifle or regular gun he would not have killed so many.. I disagree with your comment..

.

obviously making a comment like that shows your ignorance

Did that not happen? A mentally ill kid with an assault weapon.

First of all, it did not take just minutes.
Cruz went to several different floors, so probably too more than 10 minutes.

Second is that regular guns are absolutely no different at all from an AR in terms of rate of fire. You still have to aim and pull the trigger once for each separate shot.
And in fact, the first and most popular assault weapons used by the police and military, is the shotgun, because it can kill several people with each pull of the trigger.
And pistols would be able to easily kill about 4 times as many people, because there is even less recoil, and you could have one in each hand.

You should be glad this kid was dumb enough to try to use a rifle when other weapons are much more deadly at such close ranges.

this shooter murdered 17 with a rifle.

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 with a rental truck in 5 minutes....

 

[Rigby5]

It's time to begin isolating the NRA...

We see the serious beginnings of this with Enterprise, Symantec, the First National Bank of Omaha, and SimpliSafe, today...

Gotta love it, when the Big Boys begin shunning the Obstructionists and standing alongside The Children's Crusade that now unfolding...

The NRA is being repositioned as a Toxic Brand...

And we may finally have reached a tipping point...

Good...

It's about time...

This is delusional, and a bit scary...

It is not delusional in the slightest, although I'm glad you find it scary.

...What does the NRA have to do with the Parkland school shooting?...

Your Honor, the Prosecution rests.

...The NRA has been urging stronger security in schools for years...

Locking the barn door after the horses have bolted.

...Is it the NRA's fault that the FBI and the local police failed to follow up on clear leads and red flags that should have prevented the shooting many times over?...

Nope.

It is the NRA's fault that they bribed legislators to allow continued access to assault weapons by those under 21.

... And what if Cruz had used a car? Would you be saying it's about time we isolate the AAA auto club and all car makers?

Kinda difficult to get a car into a classroom or up a set of stairs or to quickly move from room to room in the opening seconds of any such attack.

That is silly because the NRA has nothing to do with the question of weapons rights clearly being inherent to each individual under the Constitution and the SCOTUS precedents.
Bringing the NRA into the discussion shows a strong personal emotional bias not based on and contrary to the principles of law.

However, it is clearly true that this shooting occurred because of insufficient school security, and would have also happened just as easily if AR rifles never existed. Anyone could easily have killed far more with the usual firearms used in most crimes, which are pistols or shotguns.

What should be most clear of all is that it is anyone who would try to reduce rights for ANY group of the population that is against the democratic principle of equality in a republic. And that is a clear and present danger not just to a few, but to the whole democratic republic.

 

[2aguy]

It's a useless change in the law that will accomplish nothing. It's security theater and nothing more.

then so what ?

if thats what it takes and doesnt make a shit either way, then change the law and make "whoever" happy and quit fighting over nothing.

sheeeeeesh

What is the point in making laws that accomplish nothing useful? All that any unnecessary law will accomplish is to increase the burden of government, and make us all less free.

It will also make law abiding gun owners criminals, if they keep those guns....the point is to make just the mere act of buying a gun so costly and legally dangerous, that normal people will stop doing it....

 

[2aguy]

It's a useless change in the law that will accomplish nothing. It's security theater and nothing more.

If you don't want schools to be shot up with an AR15 type weapon, then don't sell them. It's that simple.

Actually, I kinda want schools not to be shot up with ANY weapon, but since disarming law-abiding people won't accomplish that, your demands are not helpful.

Leftists are so naive. You don't sell certain guns and poof! No one can get them! You know, like drugs! Idiots

The Mexican drug gangs, with their Mexican police and army allies are putting up gun factories in the areas they control...they are making fully automatic rifles all on their own.....no serial numbers are on these weapons.......just across our border....

 

[jon_berzerk]

Actually, they let it expire because it was useless. And no, it wouldn't have stopped the shooter. At most, it might have changed his choice of weapon. The gun didn't make his crazy and violent.

His gun killed 18 in minutes...if he used a rifle or regular gun he would not have killed so many.. I disagree with your comment..

.

obviously making a comment like that shows your ignorance

Did that not happen? A mentally ill kid with an assault weapon.

First of all, it did not take just minutes.
Cruz went to several different floors, so probably too more than 10 minutes.

Second is that regular guns are absolutely no different at all from an AR in terms of rate of fire. You still have to aim and pull the trigger once for each separate shot.
And in fact, the first and most popular assault weapons used by the police and military, is the shotgun, because it can kill several people with each pull of the trigger.
And pistols would be able to easily kill about 4 times as many people, because there is even less recoil, and you could have one in each hand.

You should be glad this kid was dumb enough to try to use a rifle when other weapons are much more deadly at such close ranges.

The Virginia Tech shooter murdered 32 people with 2 pistols...

and had all the time in the world to reload as needed

 

[Uncensored2008]

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this shooter murdered 17 with a rifle.

The muslim terrorist in Nice, France murdered 86 with a rental truck in 5 minutes....

Yeah, but that's different, the left LOVES Islam and want's to help it crush the Christians the democrats hate.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Nice. Rick Scott may veto even that.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...d4d462a1921_story.html?utm_term=.427311f7f858

I am opposed to it as well unless you change the legal age of being an adult to 21, remove voting rights, military service rights, and everything else that comes when one turns 18 and move it all to 21.

We should have one age of majority in this country. When you hit that age, you can buy booze, join the military, vote, ...

This three year phase in period is BS.

I'd propose 19 because 18 is a bad idea having legal adults in high school. But whatever age it is, let's pick one.

I agree totally! I could live with 19, I think 21 is bullshit.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You’re assuming they didn’t know. Every kid in our family gets their first gun at 12. What’s your new law going to do about that?

My wife has a 20-gauge shotgun that her parents gave her as a Christmas present when she was eight years old.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's a useless change in the law that will accomplish nothing. It's security theater and nothing more.

And Republicans excel at useless change that will accomplish nothing.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

People drive over the speed limits every day. That's not a good argument for abolishing all speed limit laws.

I would disagree, actually.

In a free society, it is very specifically the duty of government to represent and uphold the collective will of the governed.

If you have a stretch of highway where the posted speed limit is, say, 65 MPH, and the vast majority of the traffic is going 70-80 MPH, then right there is prima facie proof that the posted speed limit does not reflect the will of those who use that highway, and that government is committing malfeasance by imposing a rule which the vast majority of those affected by that rule do not agree with.