Now white conservatives can understand how Blacks feel about the justice system.

[JoeB131]

Whoa!!! Little CowardLiar Joe is back!!!! Wonderful. Now I'll get to tell everyone reading this thread about you! Thank you, Joe!!!

REported again...

You are just determined to get yourself banned, aren't you?

 

[JoeB131]

That's no doubt why white racists don't want true history taught. But CRT is not teaching 'true history' it's teaching a particular interpretation of history. Some things will be emphasized, others left out or downplayed.

It's not possible to write a history that just recites the facts -- some facts will be chosen to be included, others not. This won't happen randomly, but according to how the historian sees the world.

So not seeing what your complaint is, Fake Hippy Doug. The problem is that you should never feel "Good" about reading history. If you feel good, you aren't reading history, you are reading Propaganda.

So let's break it down. Most kids learn about slavery, you can't really avoid that particular stain. But they don't hear as much about sharecropping, debt peonage, sundown laws, miscengation laws, poll taxes, literacy tests, the various incarnation of the KKK (which by the 1920's, was a nation-wide organization with substantial political power). In short, they don't hear about how we have had a long history of putting a boot on the neck of black people in this country, and when some racist twit tries to blame "illegitimacy" or a poor work ethic for continuing poverty.... white people immediately accept that "those people are like that". If you see the effect of a policy without seeing the cause, it's easy to get the wrong impression.

I'm all in favor of teaching 'true history', in the sense of not teaching falsehoods, although human history is so bloody, with so much cruelty, that it needs to be introduced to children slowly -- and in fact, the really awful parts will simply be left out. And as for interpretation -- a true interpretation will not show any particular race or nation or ethnicity in a very good light. Which is why we'll never teach 'true history' in our schools.

So you want to teach propaganda. Got it.

At best, we'll teach a bare bones set of facts, without the horrible details. And even those bare bones will be selected so as not to offend the multiplicity of ethnic and other identity groups in the US.

But this is the problem. The cries about CRT (which actually is a college level discipline, not being taught at the grammar school level) is that it makes white children feel bad about themselves, and they are going home crying to their mommies that they were called oppressors and told they had "privilege".

I'd be all in favor of high school students seeing a video'd debate between the fellow who wrote Lies My Teacher Taught Me: Everything Your American History Textbook Got Wrong, [ https:// amazon.com/Lies-My-Teacher-Told-Everything/dp/1620973928 ] and a competent debater from my side. (The students aren't going to read the book, or any book. But they would listen to, say, an hour-long video debate.)

How would that debate benefit them if they don't have the context of what they are talking about?

I recently saw a very interesting video on Debt Peonage, something despite having a college degree in history I wasn't terribly aware of. (I mean, I knew it existed, had no idea of the extent.)

In short, after the Civil War, a lot of the states in the South imposed debt peonage, where you arrest a black person for a petty offense, then require them to work until they've paid off their fine. Except the fine keeps getting compounded by charging them for room and board, so it take them years to get out of debt. Charges that would often cause such arrests were "vagrancy" and "walking along the railroad tracks", which were against the law.

Debt peonage ended* by federal mandate in 1942, and ONLY then because going into World War II, it was kind of hard for us to rip on the Axis Powers for racial genocide when we had a policy like this still in place.

(* one could argue the Prison-Industrial Complex is just an extension of Debt Peonage. Today we have more black men in prison than college, and we lock up more people than any country in the world, including Communist China.)

 

[airplanemechanic]

REported again...

You are just determined to get yourself banned, aren't you?

Typical fucking pussy liberal. Someone calls you on your bullshit and you want to try to run to the mods.

He won't get banned for calling a lying liberal shitbag a lying liberal shitbag.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Doug. That's as white a name as they come.

What's the picture you're using, it looks like a tree next to a big rock?

 

[Lisa558]

Is that why racist don't want CRT taught, there are thousands of us that know what life was like before the CRA.

We know already. That’s not what is behind CRT.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

We know already. That’s not what is behind CRT.

What is CRT?

 

[Lisa558]

What is CRT?

CRT is a theory that claims blacks are oppressed and whites are racist.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

CRT is a theory that claims blacks are oppressed and whites are racist.

You don't have a clue, I don't understand how a white Jewish woman became so racist against black folks.

 

[norwegen]

What's the picture you're using, it looks like a tree next to a big rock?

It is.

Pilot Rock. A glacial boulder in Iowa.

 

[Lisa558]

You don't have a clue, I don't understand how a white Jewish woman became so racist against black folks.

I’m not racist. I’m opposed to indoctrinating children with racist ideas that teaches that Whites are innately racist.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

I’m not racist. I’m opposed to indoctrinating children with racist ideas that teaches that Whites are innately racist.

Has America been a racist country when it comes to folks of color?

Are/have a lot of the policies in America been racist towards folks of color?

Was the Constitution not written by white men for white men?

CRT is American History and a lot of that history has been racist, please point out where that is false.

 

[Redfish]

It's not normal for people to be able to feel much empathy for those who are different from them. This is universally true.

In America, whites, and especially white conservatives, don't really appreciate what is was like to be Black before the Civil Rights Revolution fifty years ago, and especially what it was like to be Black in the South. And even if they do, many of them assume it's totally different now.

I don't want to start an argument about this here (elsewhere, sure) but there is still 'statistical racism' in the US: if a policeman pulls over a car with a dead tail light, and the occupants are young Black males, they will be treated differently than if they were white. There's a valid reason for this, but if you're one of those young Black males, it might not cut much ice with you at the time.

And if you're Black, in front of an all-white jury and a white judge, you won't be crazy to think that your skin color is going to play a role in what happens.

Individuals acting in a private capacity are one thing. But the law is supposed to treat us all equally, regardless of our race, sex, or political affiliation.

But this is not always the case. Long ago, in Houston, an acquaintance of mine named Lee Otis Johnson, a Black militant who was a thorn in the side of the police, gave an undercover policeman a marijuana cigaratte ... was arrested ... was sentenced to, wait for it .... thirty years in prison. All following the letter of the law. He served four before a higher court overturned the sentence. [ Black Panther Gets 30 Years for One Joint (1968) – Hippyland ]

Equal treatment? Things have improved a lot, with respect to race and the law, but they started from a very low base. (The one area where 'Critical Race Theory', which used to be called 'Critical Legal Theory', had a point, was in the way the law could appear to be race-neutral, but in fact was not neutral. (More about that here: [ Critical Race Theory Wasn’t Always Like This ] )

Now, we're finding out what it's like when the letter of the law is followed, but the acutal application of it is unequal. Does anyone believe that if Mr Trump had continued as a Democrat, that he would now be facing felony charges? When I see pious Democrats being interviewed saying 'No one is above the law' I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Come on! Are you kidding me? Hunter Biden is not only 'high', he's high above the law.

Unequal treatment before the law, while following the letter of the law, is now going to be applied to white conservatives. We're going to get to feel what it's like. There are two positive results from this: (1) it will wake up more of our people (and maybe some others as well) as to what is happening to America, and (2) it may make us a bit more understanding of how that young Black man being pulled over for a dead tail light feels.

The sad fact is that blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the USA. THAT is why more blacks than whites are in prison. that and only that.

 

[Blaster]

Most blacks have no idea how things were before civil rights, either.

Absolutely correct.

 

[Redfish]

Has America been a racist country when it comes to folks of color?

Are/have a lot of the policies in America been racist towards folks of color?

Was the Constitution not written by white men for white men?

CRT is American History and a lot of that history has been racist, please point out where that is false.

Congo or Kenya would welcome you as a new citizen----------if you are unhappy here---------move.

 

[Blaster]

The sad fact is that blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the USA. THAT is why more blacks than whites are in prison. that and only that.

Thanks for stating a fact.

 

[Superbadbrutha]

Congo or Kenya would welcome you as a new citizen----------if you are unhappy here---------move.

Get a new line, I'm not going any damn where. Black folks have earned pur right to be in America. How about you take your pasty white ass to Siberia and then I would love it here.

 

[Lisa558]

Has America been a racist country when it comes to folks of color?

Are/have a lot of the policies in America been racist towards folks of color?

Was the Constitution not written by white men for white men?

CRT is American History and a lot of that history has been racist, please point out where that is false.

We have been teaching about the past racism toward blacks for generations. CRT goes beyond that - it encourages racism toward whites. That’s why we see leftist schools assigning books that denigrate whites, including the one in NY claiming whites made a deal with the devil.

 

[Blaster]

Get a new line, I'm not going any damn where. Black folks have earned pur right to be in America. How about you take your pasty white ass to Siberia and then I would love it here.

How do you know he is white or even from Siberia? How do we know you are black?

 

[Lisa558]

The sad fact is that blacks commit a disproportionate number of crimes in the USA. THAT is why more blacks than whites are in prison. that and only that.

That is also why leftists have adopted the “soft-on-crime” policies. Blacks commit violent crimes disproportionately and are thus disproportionately in prison. The left wants to reduce the number of black thugs in prison, so they are lowering the bar for what constitutes a crime.

Prime example is the Manhattan DA, who has lowered violent felony charges to misdemeanors (while twisting and turning to elevate a victimless action from a misdemeanor to a felony in one particular case).

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

It's not normal for people to be able to feel much empathy for those who are different from them. This is universally true.

In America, whites, and especially white conservatives, don't really appreciate what is was like to be Black before the Civil Rights Revolution fifty years ago, and especially what it was like to be Black in the South. And even if they do, many of them assume it's totally different now.

I don't want to start an argument about this here (elsewhere, sure) but there is still 'statistical racism' in the US: if a policeman pulls over a car with a dead tail light, and the occupants are young Black males, they will be treated differently than if they were white. There's a valid reason for this, but if you're one of those young Black males, it might not cut much ice with you at the time.

And if you're Black, in front of an all-white jury and a white judge, you won't be crazy to think that your skin color is going to play a role in what happens.

Individuals acting in a private capacity are one thing. But the law is supposed to treat us all equally, regardless of our race, sex, or political affiliation.

But this is not always the case. Long ago, in Houston, an acquaintance of mine named Lee Otis Johnson, a Black militant who was a thorn in the side of the police, gave an undercover policeman a marijuana cigaratte ... was arrested ... was sentenced to, wait for it .... thirty years in prison. All following the letter of the law. He served four before a higher court overturned the sentence. [ Black Panther Gets 30 Years for One Joint (1968) – Hippyland ]

Equal treatment? Things have improved a lot, with respect to race and the law, but they started from a very low base. (The one area where 'Critical Race Theory', which used to be called 'Critical Legal Theory', had a point, was in the way the law could appear to be race-neutral, but in fact was not neutral. (More about that here: [ Critical Race Theory Wasn’t Always Like This ] )

Now, we're finding out what it's like when the letter of the law is followed, but the acutal application of it is unequal. Does anyone believe that if Mr Trump had continued as a Democrat, that he would now be facing felony charges? When I see pious Democrats being interviewed saying 'No one is above the law' I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Come on! Are you kidding me? Hunter Biden is not only 'high', he's high above the law.

Unequal treatment before the law, while following the letter of the law, is now going to be applied to white conservatives. We're going to get to feel what it's like. There are two positive results from this: (1) it will wake up more of our people (and maybe some others as well) as to what is happening to America, and (2) it may make us a bit more understanding of how that young Black man being pulled over for a dead tail light feels.

Not really......since there is no unequal treatment under the law being suffered by your cult leader