Now Enter The Trump "Impoundment Control Act" Criminal Violations

[Rigby5]

Mainly, the dots are getting connected! There is new evidence. It is directly showing White House Engagement. It does not have to show that Donald John Trump bought an AK-47 and shot up a school in the Ukraine. It only has to support the suspect phone call and the details before and after. Other adults have resigned from public positions already because of implicated, directed behavior.

The famous public orations to "Get Over It" are press conferences reports, from staff--expressing public policy in place. Since there is a criminal timeline established, then even deeming any further resignations in the criminal matters at minimum implicates the Oval Office. That has already been shown, in just recent hours.

Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
( Not a coattail matter, anyone notices--even now delayed until January, per the law on the books!)

TWO HOURS after "the phone call" the White House told OMB to withhold the aid...according to newly found e-mails

Read the Constitution, the President has sole authority to conduct diplomacy, which is what sending or withholding foreign aid is.
Congress gets no say at all. They can allocate or not, but the president gets the final say.

You are a total ignoramus. Read the Impoundment Act of 1974; The Impoundment Control Act of 1974: What Is It? Why Does It Matter?

Totally irrelevant.
The Impoundment Control Act has to do with domestic programs that presidents have no authority over.
But foreign aid is diplomacy, and the constitution clearly gives all diplomacy discretion to the president.

{...
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls,
...
Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
...}

{...
The President’s Power in theField of Foreign Relations The first section of this memorandum canvasses the historical precedents that delineate the President’s prerogatives vis-à-vis Congress in foreign relations. These precedents tend to fall into one of two categories: those reflecting the Hamiltonian view that the President as Chief Executive has sole and unlimited authority to determine the nation’s foreign policy, and those reflecting the Madisonian view that Congress as the law-making body has primary authority to determine the nation’s foreign policy, which the President must take care to enforce.
,,,}
https://www.justice.gov/file/20661/download

 

[Rigby5]

That is funny, Trump "wanted to hide the money"? Where was that in the proceedings? What a bunch of BS. It was a political game that
went sideways for the democrats.

Lol! You live in an alternate universe. These recent exposed emails has been Schiff's wet dream; CNN analyst on Ukraine email: Better than Schiff imagined - CNN Video

Yes, CNN, a trusted name in world news.

Your non-existing counter argument is pure gold. Why? Because it opens the flood gates for the truth to come out. Unfortunately for you, it has; Dems ramp up call for impeachment witnesses following 'explosive' emails

Perhaps, they should have brought it up in the House? Perhaps, it's just another nothing burger....which is more than likely.
Go get some more talking points from your masters.

They couldn't. At the time, Trump was blocking the documents, remember? They don't need any more talking points. The truth is there for all to see. Too bad you live in an alternate reality where truth has no value for you. Because this proves everything with those exposed emails. And I do mean everything. Now we know why Mike Duffy was gagged to testify.

The executive has the authority to withhold national security secrets from Congress because congress historically has never been reliable.
The branches of government are totally and completely separate.
Congress can not order the executive any more than the executive can order Congress.

 

[hadit]

One thing about the Center for Public Integrity is that it is very low profile, It went to court. It petitioned for documents. The documents released were heavily redacted. They show that Donald John Trump specifically new about the Ukraine Aid in advance of the notorious phone call. They show not just that the aid was illegally held up, but that the political appointees, (RNC), covered up specifically the illegal White House Operations.

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law – Center for Public Integrity

Congress was specifically by-passed.

The emerging timeline shows that the new Ukraine President--An Actor-Comedian not named Reagan, but a show business personality--was aware of the "investigations" requirement way before July 25. Anyone surmises how Ukraine knew enough to vote. Anyone surmises that his Administration knew about the military assistance. DONALD JOHN TRUMP WAS EVEN DISCUSSING OR GAINING APPROVALS FROM PUTIN, WELL IN ADVANCE OF JULY 25. (That is in timeline, shown in the link--with a possible accurate inference of what was being discussed.) Then everything illegal is outlined in the link.

And the Congressional new Trial Date as yet to be set, likely wherein House Managers can present the full case for Removal from Office. Public employees had enough sense of public service to quit, comparing.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Even as in,"What does arithmetic have to do with the money?" Deut 23:19-20 e. g.!)

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

 

[BWK]

Mainly, the dots are getting connected! There is new evidence. It is directly showing White House Engagement. It does not have to show that Donald John Trump bought an AK-47 and shot up a school in the Ukraine. It only has to support the suspect phone call and the details before and after. Other adults have resigned from public positions already because of implicated, directed behavior.

The famous public orations to "Get Over It" are press conferences reports, from staff--expressing public policy in place. Since there is a criminal timeline established, then even deeming any further resignations in the criminal matters at minimum implicates the Oval Office. That has already been shown, in just recent hours.

Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
( Not a coattail matter, anyone notices--even now delayed until January, per the law on the books!)

TWO HOURS after "the phone call" the White House told OMB to withhold the aid...according to newly found e-mails

Read the Constitution, the President has sole authority to conduct diplomacy, which is what sending or withholding foreign aid is.
Congress gets no say at all. They can allocate or not, but the president gets the final say.

You are a total ignoramus. Read the Impoundment Act of 1974; The Impoundment Control Act of 1974: What Is It? Why Does It Matter?

Totally irrelevant.
The Impoundment Control Act has to do with domestic programs that presidents have no authority over.
But foreign aid is diplomacy, and the constitution clearly gives all diplomacy discretion to the president.

{...
Section 1
The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America.
...
He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, to make Treaties, provided two thirds of the Senators present concur; and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint Ambassadors, other public Ministers and Consuls,
...
Section 3
He shall from time to time give to the Congress Information of the State of the Union, and recommend to their Consideration such Measures as he shall judge necessary and expedient; he may, on extraordinary Occasions, convene both Houses, or either of them, and in Case of Disagreement between them, with Respect to the Time of Adjournment, he may adjourn them to such Time as he shall think proper; he shall receive Ambassadors and other public Ministers; he shall take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed, and shall Commission all the Officers of the United States.
...}

{...
The President’s Power in theField of Foreign Relations The first section of this memorandum canvasses the historical precedents that delineate the President’s prerogatives vis-à-vis Congress in foreign relations. These precedents tend to fall into one of two categories: those reflecting the Hamiltonian view that the President as Chief Executive has sole and unlimited authority to determine the nation’s foreign policy, and those reflecting the Madisonian view that Congress as the law-making body has primary authority to determine the nation’s foreign policy, which the President must take care to enforce.
,,,}
https://www.justice.gov/file/20661/download

Ignorant people should pay more taxes;
What is the Impoundment Control Act?
The Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 (ICA) reasserted Congress’ power of the purse. Specifically, Title X of the Act – “Impoundment Control” – established procedures to prevent the President and other government officials from unilaterally substituting their own funding decisions for those of the Congress. The Act also created the House and Senate Budget Committees and the Congressional Budget Office.

The Sections you present have nothing to do with bribery of a foreign country to get dirt on a political opponent, then tell the pentagon to keep the communications about the already approved military aid that is being with held a secret. That is treason. It's also an abuse of power. And the emails proved it.

In plain English, Trump does not have the foreign policy authority to redirect money for his benefit. It's illegal. If what he did were legal, then Trump would be above the law, doing whatever, whenever he wanted at tax payer expense. The founders never provided any provisions in the Constitution for that. You presented us with an uninformed amateur rebuttal.

 

[BWK]

One thing about the Center for Public Integrity is that it is very low profile, It went to court. It petitioned for documents. The documents released were heavily redacted. They show that Donald John Trump specifically new about the Ukraine Aid in advance of the notorious phone call. They show not just that the aid was illegally held up, but that the political appointees, (RNC), covered up specifically the illegal White House Operations.

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law – Center for Public Integrity

Congress was specifically by-passed.

The emerging timeline shows that the new Ukraine President--An Actor-Comedian not named Reagan, but a show business personality--was aware of the "investigations" requirement way before July 25. Anyone surmises how Ukraine knew enough to vote. Anyone surmises that his Administration knew about the military assistance. DONALD JOHN TRUMP WAS EVEN DISCUSSING OR GAINING APPROVALS FROM PUTIN, WELL IN ADVANCE OF JULY 25. (That is in timeline, shown in the link--with a possible accurate inference of what was being discussed.) Then everything illegal is outlined in the link.

And the Congressional new Trial Date as yet to be set, likely wherein House Managers can present the full case for Removal from Office. Public employees had enough sense of public service to quit, comparing.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Even as in,"What does arithmetic have to do with the money?" Deut 23:19-20 e. g.!)

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again. There will be a senate trial. If McConnell bails on it, then the acquittal is null and void, because they would have hijacked the rules of the process.

 

[hadit]

One thing about the Center for Public Integrity is that it is very low profile, It went to court. It petitioned for documents. The documents released were heavily redacted. They show that Donald John Trump specifically new about the Ukraine Aid in advance of the notorious phone call. They show not just that the aid was illegally held up, but that the political appointees, (RNC), covered up specifically the illegal White House Operations.

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law – Center for Public Integrity

Congress was specifically by-passed.

The emerging timeline shows that the new Ukraine President--An Actor-Comedian not named Reagan, but a show business personality--was aware of the "investigations" requirement way before July 25. Anyone surmises how Ukraine knew enough to vote. Anyone surmises that his Administration knew about the military assistance. DONALD JOHN TRUMP WAS EVEN DISCUSSING OR GAINING APPROVALS FROM PUTIN, WELL IN ADVANCE OF JULY 25. (That is in timeline, shown in the link--with a possible accurate inference of what was being discussed.) Then everything illegal is outlined in the link.

And the Congressional new Trial Date as yet to be set, likely wherein House Managers can present the full case for Removal from Office. Public employees had enough sense of public service to quit, comparing.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Even as in,"What does arithmetic have to do with the money?" Deut 23:19-20 e. g.!)

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again.

Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

 

[BWK]

Lol! You live in an alternate universe. These recent exposed emails has been Schiff's wet dream; CNN analyst on Ukraine email: Better than Schiff imagined - CNN Video

Yes, CNN, a trusted name in world news.

Your non-existing counter argument is pure gold. Why? Because it opens the flood gates for the truth to come out. Unfortunately for you, it has; Dems ramp up call for impeachment witnesses following 'explosive' emails

Perhaps, they should have brought it up in the House? Perhaps, it's just another nothing burger....which is more than likely.
Go get some more talking points from your masters.

They couldn't. At the time, Trump was blocking the documents, remember? They don't need any more talking points. The truth is there for all to see. Too bad you live in an alternate reality where truth has no value for you. Because this proves everything with those exposed emails. And I do mean everything. Now we know why Mike Duffy was gagged to testify.

The executive has the authority to withhold national security secrets from Congress because congress historically has never been reliable.
The branches of government are totally and completely separate.
Congress can not order the executive any more than the executive can order Congress.

Your post has nothing to do with the price of apples. A "national security secret" doesn't involve bribery, campaign finance violations, abuse of power, and obstruction of Congress

 

[BWK]

One thing about the Center for Public Integrity is that it is very low profile, It went to court. It petitioned for documents. The documents released were heavily redacted. They show that Donald John Trump specifically new about the Ukraine Aid in advance of the notorious phone call. They show not just that the aid was illegally held up, but that the political appointees, (RNC), covered up specifically the illegal White House Operations.

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law – Center for Public Integrity

Congress was specifically by-passed.

The emerging timeline shows that the new Ukraine President--An Actor-Comedian not named Reagan, but a show business personality--was aware of the "investigations" requirement way before July 25. Anyone surmises how Ukraine knew enough to vote. Anyone surmises that his Administration knew about the military assistance. DONALD JOHN TRUMP WAS EVEN DISCUSSING OR GAINING APPROVALS FROM PUTIN, WELL IN ADVANCE OF JULY 25. (That is in timeline, shown in the link--with a possible accurate inference of what was being discussed.) Then everything illegal is outlined in the link.

And the Congressional new Trial Date as yet to be set, likely wherein House Managers can present the full case for Removal from Office. Public employees had enough sense of public service to quit, comparing.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Even as in,"What does arithmetic have to do with the money?" Deut 23:19-20 e. g.!)

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again.

Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

He can be removed from office with a senate trial. And guess what? There is sufficient evidence that a trial would find him guilty with the information they have.

 

[hadit]

One thing about the Center for Public Integrity is that it is very low profile, It went to court. It petitioned for documents. The documents released were heavily redacted. They show that Donald John Trump specifically new about the Ukraine Aid in advance of the notorious phone call. They show not just that the aid was illegally held up, but that the political appointees, (RNC), covered up specifically the illegal White House Operations.

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law – Center for Public Integrity

Congress was specifically by-passed.

The emerging timeline shows that the new Ukraine President--An Actor-Comedian not named Reagan, but a show business personality--was aware of the "investigations" requirement way before July 25. Anyone surmises how Ukraine knew enough to vote. Anyone surmises that his Administration knew about the military assistance. DONALD JOHN TRUMP WAS EVEN DISCUSSING OR GAINING APPROVALS FROM PUTIN, WELL IN ADVANCE OF JULY 25. (That is in timeline, shown in the link--with a possible accurate inference of what was being discussed.) Then everything illegal is outlined in the link.

And the Congressional new Trial Date as yet to be set, likely wherein House Managers can present the full case for Removal from Office. Public employees had enough sense of public service to quit, comparing.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Even as in,"What does arithmetic have to do with the money?" Deut 23:19-20 e. g.!)

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again.

Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

He can be removed from office with a senate trial. And guess what? There is sufficient evidence that a trial would find him guilty with the information they have.

Not gonna happen. You'll have to hope the democrats find a candidate with a pulse.

 

[BWK]

One thing about the Center for Public Integrity is that it is very low profile, It went to court. It petitioned for documents. The documents released were heavily redacted. They show that Donald John Trump specifically new about the Ukraine Aid in advance of the notorious phone call. They show not just that the aid was illegally held up, but that the political appointees, (RNC), covered up specifically the illegal White House Operations.

Trump Administration officials worried Ukraine aid halt violated spending law – Center for Public Integrity

Congress was specifically by-passed.

The emerging timeline shows that the new Ukraine President--An Actor-Comedian not named Reagan, but a show business personality--was aware of the "investigations" requirement way before July 25. Anyone surmises how Ukraine knew enough to vote. Anyone surmises that his Administration knew about the military assistance. DONALD JOHN TRUMP WAS EVEN DISCUSSING OR GAINING APPROVALS FROM PUTIN, WELL IN ADVANCE OF JULY 25. (That is in timeline, shown in the link--with a possible accurate inference of what was being discussed.) Then everything illegal is outlined in the link.

And the Congressional new Trial Date as yet to be set, likely wherein House Managers can present the full case for Removal from Office. Public employees had enough sense of public service to quit, comparing.

"Crow, James Crow: Shaken, Not Stirred!"
(Even as in,"What does arithmetic have to do with the money?" Deut 23:19-20 e. g.!)

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again.

Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

He can be removed from office with a senate trial. And guess what? There is sufficient evidence that a trial would find him guilty with the information they have.

Not gonna happen. You'll have to hope the democrats find a candidate with a pulse.

Oh, probably not. But with a full on senate trial, the evidence has been, and will be more overwhelming than it is now. What will be gained from all of this, is the exposure of a party that no longer respects the rule of law, the Constitution, or this country. And the American people will be able to look at this group and say enough is enough. This so called party is nothing more than a collection of people who view the country as, what this country can do for them, not what they can do for the country.

 

[hadit]

The problem is, the articles of impeachment have already been voted on. They can't go back and amend them now. They really messed this up.

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again.

Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

He can be removed from office with a senate trial. And guess what? There is sufficient evidence that a trial would find him guilty with the information they have.

Not gonna happen. You'll have to hope the democrats find a candidate with a pulse.

Oh, probably not. But with a full on senate trial, the evidence has been, and will be more overwhelming than it is now. What will be gained from all of this, is the exposure of a party that no longer respects the rule of law, the Constitution, or this country. And the American people will be able to look at this group and say enough is enough. This so called party is nothing more than a collection of people who view the country as, what this country can do for them, not what they can do for the country.

The "evidence" will be restricted to what's already been revealed, as it should be, and it won't be enough.

 

[lantern2814]

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 - Wikipedia Trump wanted to hide the money from being exposed by using it for a crime he committed. It really doesn't get much easier than that to understand. And the documents were released proving this was in fact a crime; //www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/trump-ukraine-docs-show-concern-withholding-aide-was-illegal-75545157799

There is nothing the Senate can do to justify this treasonous, criminal act by Trump.


Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the President may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on the request, and has ignored most Presidential requests.[4] In response, some[who?] have called for a line item veto to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds.

The Act was passed in response to feelings in Congress that President Nixon was abusing his power of impoundment by withholding funding of programs he opposed. The Act, especially after Train v. City of New York (1975), effectively removed the presidential power of impoundment.[5]

In late November 2019, the obscure Impoundment Control Act made news during the Trump impeachment investigation, as two budget office staffers resigned over their concerns over apparent improprieties regarding the hold of approved Ukraine military funds. Among the concerns was the questionable transfer of decision-making authority to a political appointee.[6][7][8][9]

Then why isn’t it mentioned in the Articles of Impeachment?

From what I understand, statutes of laws broken, are not listed because the House is not criminal prosecutors or grand juries, and can not charge any president with a criminal offense that they could go to jail over... unlike the Clinton and Nixon impeachment investigations, they had prosecutors and grand juries who could legally press criminal charges after removal, all sitting and waiting to do such...

in this case, if the president were to be removed from office, by the Senate, it would then be up to some unknown prosecutors on whether to bring criminal charges, and prosecute after the president's removal.

They have got their panties in a wad because this case against Trump was such a slam dunk, they come here to show their ass and ignorance for all to see. These are some freaked out losers people. They know there is zero defense of this criminal, and there isn't a damn thing they can do to change it, other than to go all out stupid on us.

And your tampon is shoved in way too deep. Your case is so rock solid you don’t have the balls to send it to the Senate. It’s so solid you are whining to call more witnesses you can try to force to lie. You never tire of looking like a totally uneducated moron. Enjoy 5 more years of Trump.

 

[BWK]

So? It hasn't gone through the Senate. And the Senate decision is based on a trial with documents and witnesses. Try again.

Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

He can be removed from office with a senate trial. And guess what? There is sufficient evidence that a trial would find him guilty with the information they have.

Not gonna happen. You'll have to hope the democrats find a candidate with a pulse.

Oh, probably not. But with a full on senate trial, the evidence has been, and will be more overwhelming than it is now. What will be gained from all of this, is the exposure of a party that no longer respects the rule of law, the Constitution, or this country. And the American people will be able to look at this group and say enough is enough. This so called party is nothing more than a collection of people who view the country as, what this country can do for them, not what they can do for the country.

The "evidence" will be restricted to what's already been revealed, as it should be, and it won't be enough.

Negative! That isn't what a trial is about. In any trial, you have witnesses and documents. You know, the witnesses and documents that were gagged and held back in the impeachment hearings. The charges themselves of an abuse of power, which includes witnesses and documents will have to be admitted into evidence, or there is no trial;.

 

[BWK]

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 - Wikipedia Trump wanted to hide the money from being exposed by using it for a crime he committed. It really doesn't get much easier than that to understand. And the documents were released proving this was in fact a crime; //www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/trump-ukraine-docs-show-concern-withholding-aide-was-illegal-75545157799

There is nothing the Senate can do to justify this treasonous, criminal act by Trump.


Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the President may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on the request, and has ignored most Presidential requests.[4] In response, some[who?] have called for a line item veto to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds.

The Act was passed in response to feelings in Congress that President Nixon was abusing his power of impoundment by withholding funding of programs he opposed. The Act, especially after Train v. City of New York (1975), effectively removed the presidential power of impoundment.[5]

In late November 2019, the obscure Impoundment Control Act made news during the Trump impeachment investigation, as two budget office staffers resigned over their concerns over apparent improprieties regarding the hold of approved Ukraine military funds. Among the concerns was the questionable transfer of decision-making authority to a political appointee.[6][7][8][9]

Then why isn’t it mentioned in the Articles of Impeachment?

From what I understand, statutes of laws broken, are not listed because the House is not criminal prosecutors or grand juries, and can not charge any president with a criminal offense that they could go to jail over... unlike the Clinton and Nixon impeachment investigations, they had prosecutors and grand juries who could legally press criminal charges after removal, all sitting and waiting to do such...

in this case, if the president were to be removed from office, by the Senate, it would then be up to some unknown prosecutors on whether to bring criminal charges, and prosecute after the president's removal.

They have got their panties in a wad because this case against Trump was such a slam dunk, they come here to show their ass and ignorance for all to see. These are some freaked out losers people. They know there is zero defense of this criminal, and there isn't a damn thing they can do to change it, other than to go all out stupid on us.

And your tampon is shoved in way too deep. Your case is so rock solid you don’t have the balls to send it to the Senate. It’s so solid you are whining to call more witnesses you can try to force to lie. You never tire of looking like a totally uneducated moron. Enjoy 5 more years of Trump.

You are too retarded and boring to debate. Take a hike.

 

[lantern2814]

lesson learned!

THUNDERBOLT and background music...setting

voice over saying;

Do NOT mess with Mother Pelosi!

Really? McConnell slapped her down, essentially telling her to fuck off and pound sand. Don’t mess with Father McConnell or get bitch slapped like Pisslosi the drunk.

 

[BWK]

lesson learned!

THUNDERBOLT and background music...setting

voice over saying;

Do NOT mess with Mother Pelosi!

Really? McConnell slapped her down, essentially telling her to fuck off and pound sand. Don’t mess with Father McConnell or get bitch slapped like Pisslosi the drunk.

McConnell is in a bind. If he hijacks a senate trial, then there is no vindication on the Republican side. Rules are rules. If they are violated, then the party has lost everything. They are no longer a real party. It will become splintered then.

 

[lantern2814]

Congressional Budget and Impoundment Control Act of 1974 - Wikipedia Trump wanted to hide the money from being exposed by using it for a crime he committed. It really doesn't get much easier than that to understand. And the documents were released proving this was in fact a crime; //www.msnbc.com/am-joy/watch/trump-ukraine-docs-show-concern-withholding-aide-was-illegal-75545157799

There is nothing the Senate can do to justify this treasonous, criminal act by Trump.


Title X of the Act, also known as the Impoundment Control Act of 1974, specifies that the President may request that Congress rescind appropriated funds. If both the Senate and the House of Representatives have not approved a rescission proposal (by passing legislation) within 45 days of continuous session, any funds being withheld must be made available for obligation. Congress is not required to vote on the request, and has ignored most Presidential requests.[4] In response, some[who?] have called for a line item veto to strengthen the rescission power and force Congress to vote on the disputed funds.

The Act was passed in response to feelings in Congress that President Nixon was abusing his power of impoundment by withholding funding of programs he opposed. The Act, especially after Train v. City of New York (1975), effectively removed the presidential power of impoundment.[5]

In late November 2019, the obscure Impoundment Control Act made news during the Trump impeachment investigation, as two budget office staffers resigned over their concerns over apparent improprieties regarding the hold of approved Ukraine military funds. Among the concerns was the questionable transfer of decision-making authority to a political appointee.[6][7][8][9]

Then why isn’t it mentioned in the Articles of Impeachment?

From what I understand, statutes of laws broken, are not listed because the House is not criminal prosecutors or grand juries, and can not charge any president with a criminal offense that they could go to jail over... unlike the Clinton and Nixon impeachment investigations, they had prosecutors and grand juries who could legally press criminal charges after removal, all sitting and waiting to do such...

in this case, if the president were to be removed from office, by the Senate, it would then be up to some unknown prosecutors on whether to bring criminal charges, and prosecute after the president's removal.

They have got their panties in a wad because this case against Trump was such a slam dunk, they come here to show their ass and ignorance for all to see. These are some freaked out losers people. They know there is zero defense of this criminal, and there isn't a damn thing they can do to change it, other than to go all out stupid on us.

And your tampon is shoved in way too deep. Your case is so rock solid you don’t have the balls to send it to the Senate. It’s so solid you are whining to call more witnesses you can try to force to lie. You never tire of looking like a totally uneducated moron. Enjoy 5 more years of Trump.

You are too retarded and boring to debate. Take a hike.

You take a hike you moron. Right into that bears den. Your forfeit is noted and accepted.

 

[lantern2814]

lesson learned!

THUNDERBOLT and background music...setting

voice over saying;

Do NOT mess with Mother Pelosi!

Really? McConnell slapped her down, essentially telling her to fuck off and pound sand. Don’t mess with Father McConnell or get bitch slapped like Pisslosi the drunk.

McConnell is in a bind. If he hijacks a senate trial, then there is no vindication on the Republican side. Rules are rules. If they are violated, then the party has lost everything. They are no longer a real party. It will become splintered then.

Poor moron. McConnell can’t hijack something he has TOTAL control over you idiot. He makes the rules, not Pisslosi the drunk. You idiots have already lost. Enjoy the slaughter in 2020 as Republicans rule the day.

 

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lesson learned!

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voice over saying;

Do NOT mess with Mother Pelosi!

Really? McConnell slapped her down, essentially telling her to fuck off and pound sand. Don’t mess with Father McConnell or get bitch slapped like Pisslosi the drunk.

McConnell is in a bind. If he hijacks a senate trial, then there is no vindication on the Republican side. Rules are rules. If they are violated, then the party has lost everything. They are no longer a real party. It will become splintered then.

Poor moron. McConnell can’t hijack something he has TOTAL control over you idiot. He makes the rules, not Pisslosi the drunk. You idiots have already lost. Enjoy the slaughter in 2020 as Republicans rule the day.

McConnell doesn't make the rules. The rules are already made in an impeachment trial. If he tries to do away with the trial, then it's on the Republicans. They hijacked the impeachment of Trump by way of their own corruption. That will destroy them for years. 70% of the country wants a senate impeachment trial. That's how significant this is.

 

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Doesn't matter. They can't unimpeach him. The articles are what they are.

He can be removed from office with a senate trial. And guess what? There is sufficient evidence that a trial would find him guilty with the information they have.

Not gonna happen. You'll have to hope the democrats find a candidate with a pulse.

Oh, probably not. But with a full on senate trial, the evidence has been, and will be more overwhelming than it is now. What will be gained from all of this, is the exposure of a party that no longer respects the rule of law, the Constitution, or this country. And the American people will be able to look at this group and say enough is enough. This so called party is nothing more than a collection of people who view the country as, what this country can do for them, not what they can do for the country.

The "evidence" will be restricted to what's already been revealed, as it should be, and it won't be enough.

Negative! That isn't what a trial is about. In any trial, you have witnesses and documents. You know, the witnesses and documents that were gagged and held back in the impeachment hearings. The charges themselves of an abuse of power, which includes witnesses and documents will have to be admitted into evidence, or there is no trial;.

Sorry, but the trial has to be only about the articles of impeachment, not other stuff. It's not the Senate's job to make up for sloppiness or incompetence on the part of the House.