Not only the pill, but sex changes?

[PixieStix]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

 

[Meister]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

 

[PixieStix]

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

I just hope it isn't catchy

 

[Katzndogz]

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

If someone has gender dysphoria they have a mental illness and should receive treatment for that mental illness. Not accommodation and indulgence in having their illness catered to. If they want to pay for their own surgeries, they should be able to do that. Like they have to pay for breast implants and penis extensions. We do not OWE anyone happiness.

 

[Jroc]

Tax payers may also have to pay $500,000 in legal fees for this nutjob... Stupid liberal judges

Judge: Taxpayers to foot sex change killer's legal fees

A convicted murderer in Massachusetts who won the right to get a state-funded sex change is also eligible to have legal fees - expected to top $500,000 - paid as well, a federal judge ruled.

In a landmark decision, U.S. District Judge Mark Wolf earlier this month ordered the state Department of Correction to provide sex-reassignment surgery to Michelle Kosilek. Wolf found that prison officials had violated Kosilek's Eighth Amendment right to protection against cruel and unusual punishment, and that the surgery is the "only adequate treatment" for Kosilek's gender-identity disorder.

Wolf has now found that Kosilek is also entitled to legal fees.

"Kosilek has prevailed on his claim that the defendant has violated his Eighth Amendment rights and is continuing to do so. Therefore, he is eligible to be awarded his reasonable attorney's fees and costs," Wolf wrote in an order entered in court Sunday.

Wolf's ruling does not say how much in legal costs Kosilek is eligible for; the case dates back years and the amount is "likely to be large," Wolf wrote.

Kosilek's attorney, Frances Cohen, said she has not yet done a final calculation or submitted a request for fees, but she estimates that attorneys' fees will be comparable to the approximately $500,000 sought in the case of another transgender inmate who also sued the Department of Correction for treatment of gender-identity disorder.

Cohen said she and another lawyer who worked on Kosilek's case have offered to forego their fees if the Department of Correction agrees not to appeal Wolf's ruling. The lawyers would still seek reimbursement for an undetermined amount paid in out-of-pocket expenses, including the fees paid to their experts.

"The judge has discretion to make an award on the basis of a fee application. This has been a hard litigated case, and the law firms ... have spent a lot of time on the case," she said.

"The firms have offered to waive their fees in exchange for Miss Kosilek getting court-ordered relief without further appeal," Cohen said Monday.

Judge: Taxpayers to foot sex change killer's legal fees | Metro News - WCVB Home

 

[Papageorgio]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=192

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevision/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=482

Bull shit, it is a mental illness

 

[Papageorgio]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

I could get SSI for that, that would be cool.

 

[freedombecki]

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

I agree, and there is too much of that kind of thing going around that targets our young people who may or may not have a conflict between moral training and experimenting. Statistics indicate they are not living in a safe world that is free of STDs. They would not have these issues if everybody waited until their wedding night and confined their sex to within the parameters of traditional marriage vows until death.

Wanting somebody to pay your way for every little whim of your fantasy is an illness, too. Demanding the government cover everything because you belong to one political party is a mistake. It's such a large mistake, people will have to overthrow Obama to get rid of the travesty that his "care package" that raises taxes on the middle class by a greater percentage than any other tax hike in the history of the United States and in the history of the world.

I don't know how people are going to be able to afford to live after paying taxes.

 

[freedombecki]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Bull shit, it is a mental illness

Mental illnesses are medical conditions, Papageorgio.

 

[freedombecki]

Tax payers may also have to pay $500,000 in legal fees for this nutjob... Stupid liberal judges

Judge: Taxpayers to foot sex change killer's legal fees

A convicted murderer in Massachusetts who won the right to get a state-funded sex change is also eligible to have legal fees - expected to top $500,000 - paid as well, a federal judge ruled.

In a landmark decision, U.S. District Judge Mark Wolf earlier this month ordered the state Department of Correction to provide sex-reassignment surgery to Michelle Kosilek. Wolf found that prison officials had violated Kosilek's Eighth Amendment right to protection against cruel and unusual punishment, and that the surgery is the "only adequate treatment" for Kosilek's gender-identity disorder.

Wolf has now found that Kosilek is also entitled to legal fees.

"Kosilek has prevailed on his claim that the defendant has violated his Eighth Amendment rights and is continuing to do so. Therefore, he is eligible to be awarded his reasonable attorney's fees and costs," Wolf wrote in an order entered in court Sunday.

Wolf's ruling does not say how much in legal costs Kosilek is eligible for; the case dates back years and the amount is "likely to be large," Wolf wrote.

Kosilek's attorney, Frances Cohen, said she has not yet done a final calculation or submitted a request for fees, but she estimates that attorneys' fees will be comparable to the approximately $500,000 sought in the case of another transgender inmate who also sued the Department of Correction for treatment of gender-identity disorder.

Cohen said she and another lawyer who worked on Kosilek's case have offered to forego their fees if the Department of Correction agrees not to appeal Wolf's ruling. The lawyers would still seek reimbursement for an undetermined amount paid in out-of-pocket expenses, including the fees paid to their experts.

"The judge has discretion to make an award on the basis of a fee application. This has been a hard litigated case, and the law firms ... have spent a lot of time on the case," she said.

"The firms have offered to waive their fees in exchange for Miss Kosilek getting court-ordered relief without further appeal," Cohen said Monday.

Judge: Taxpayers to foot sex change killer's legal fees | Metro News - WCVB Home

That's wrong.

 

[syrenn]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

A sex change operation is... elective cosmetic surgery.

Its no different then wanting larger breasts..... it gives the "self" the "appearance" it wants to feel better about "itself"


In my opinion... elective surgery of any kind should not be covered by public funding.

 

[freedombecki]

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

If someone has gender dysphoria they have a mental illness and should receive treatment for that mental illness. Not accommodation and indulgence in having their illness catered to. If they want to pay for their own surgeries, they should be able to do that. Like they have to pay for breast implants and penis extensions. We do not OWE anyone happiness.

Katzndogs, many therapists see surgery as the cure for this dysphoria and will recommend it as a medical treatment to mental illness, which is considered a medical condition.

Putting people with problems in a Bedlam holding chamber is no longer done.

Some people who have mental illness and receive treatment stop taking their medicine and the condition returns. When that happens, they are very dangerous people again, dangerous to themselves and others.

I know I sound like I'm advocating for them, but I'm at my wit's end. People today accept medical diagnoses, whereas people who were diagnosed with mental illnesses when I was growing up were considered eccentric in their best light and unworthy to live in their worst.

There don't seem to be as many pat answers as post-WWII world had. We know some conditions get better; others are dangerous because they are dependent chemically on a substance that alters the victim's outlook. When they get better they experience a euphoria that tells them all is well, why take the medicine. They withdraw, the condition returns, rinse and repeat.

If their illness results in murdering somebody else, we realize that the person may also be asocial without his medicine. The rub is when the person elects to stop medication. Some do, some don't. Medication may be highly expensive. Placing the burden for expensive medicines for convicted killers is really frustrating for people who are barely getting by because Obama wants all oil companies to pay him a stipend for his campaign, but they won't because he listens to greenies who would cheerfully kill or even hit a poorly-supervised deep sea drilling rig to get rid of drilling in the ocean completely.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

motivational deficiency disorder AKA laziness is an illness too

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

If someone has gender dysphoria they have a mental illness and should receive treatment for that mental illness. Not accommodation and indulgence in having their illness catered to. If they want to pay for their own surgeries, they should be able to do that. Like they have to pay for breast implants and penis extensions. We do not OWE anyone happiness.

Not at all surprising to see that not only are you anti-Constitution, you would like to see our Declaration of Independence trashed as well.

Knee jerk idiot.

 

[Luddly Neddite]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

It would be a real illness if the sufferer were rw but otherwise, no, you're on your own and to hell with the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.

rw's should get what the insurance coverage they pay for but not the rest of us.

 

[daveman]

If not treated...AIDS and STD's can be fatal and is certainly an infection to the human body.
Sex change is not an infection and the person isn't in any danger of loss of life.

If someone has gender dysphoria they have a mental illness and should receive treatment for that mental illness. Not accommodation and indulgence in having their illness catered to. If they want to pay for their own surgeries, they should be able to do that. Like they have to pay for breast implants and penis extensions. We do not OWE anyone happiness.

Not at all surprising to see that not only are you anti-Constitution, you would like to see our Declaration of Independence trashed as well.

Knee jerk idiot.

You'll have to remind me: Where does the Declaration mention the God-given right to have taxpayer-funded gender reassignment surgery?

 

[syrenn]

Apparently, Sandra Fluke not only wants Obamacare to pay for the "pill" but also to have sex changes covered by insurance....really?


Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery

irth control is not all that Ms. Fluke believes private health insurance must cover. She also, apparently, believes that it is discrimination deserving of legal action if “gender reassignment” surgeries are not covered by employer provided health insurance. She makes these views clear in an article she co-edited with Karen Hu in the Georgetown Journal of Gender and the Law.
The title of the article . . . is “Employment Discrimination Against LGBTQ Persons” and was published in the Journal’s 2011 Annual Review.
Transgender persons wishing to undergo the gender reassignment process frequently face heterosexist employer health insurance policies that label the surgery as cosmetic or medically unnecessary and therefore uncovered.
Sandra Fluke supports mandatory coverage of sex change surgery « Wintery Knight

So Sandra (pre), Steve (post) wants a sex change too?
I thought she was just a misguided college student....who knew she was an over the top nutcase activist that was hired by the DNC to speak.

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

It would be a real illness if the sufferer were rw but otherwise, no, you're on your own and to hell with the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.

rw's should get what the insurance coverage they pay for but not the rest of us.

i really dont care if they are right or left....

public funds should not be spent on elective cosmetic surgery.

 

[Papageorgio]

I can't do it in small syllables or even a lengthy article replete with scholarly verbiage.

It takes an incredible amount of determination and sacrifice to undergo the lengthy transgender process. The financial and emotional commitment is staggering. Whatever the motivation, it must be powerful. I would suggest that only extreme mental anguish would compel a person to go through the ordeal. I cannot understand how anyone could condemn or ridicule a person for trying to lessen the pain.

Psychotherapy would be easier

It would be wonderful it psychotherapy worked in every case, but unfortunately it does not. Further, although psychotherapy is not required in sex reassignment, mental health counseling and evaluation by two qualified professionals is a must:

“A qualified mental health professional who has been acquainted with the member for at least 18 months recommends sex reassignment surgery documented in the form of a written comprehensive evaluation; and For genital surgical sex reassignment, a second concurring recommendation by another qualified mental health professional must be documented in the form of a written expert opinion...and at least one of the two clinical behavioral scientists making the favorable recommendation for surgical (genital) sex reassignment must possess a doctoral degree (e.g., Ph.D., Ed.D., D.Sc., D.S.W., Psy.D., or M.D.).”

Gender Reassignment Surgery

Transgender candidates go through additional psychological adjustment by being required to live in the opposite gender role for a full year.

“For both sexes, surgery is preceded by use of the appropriate sex hormone (estrogen in male-to-female transformation and testosterone in female-to-male transformation), and a real-life experience living in the opposite gender role for at least 1 year.”

Gender Identity: Sexuality: Merck Manual Home Edition

The sex-reassignment process is long, expensive and definitely life-altering. No one would go through all of this if psychotherapy was a reliable option. I am certain that the mental health professionals who evaluate all transgender candidates are fully aware of the need for sex-reassignment surgery as opposed to psychotherapy. I am certain they would always recommend the less intrusive procedure.

But that is only my own humble (and yes I lied about the humble part).

It is elective surgery, it is not a life or death issue, it is simple. If you want it done, then pay for it.

 

[freedombecki]

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

It would be a real illness if the sufferer were rw but otherwise, no, you're on your own and to hell with the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.

rw's should get what the insurance coverage they pay for but not the rest of us.

i really dont care if they are right or left....

public funds should not be spent on elective cosmetic surgery.

I agree. Unfortunately, wards of the state may sue the state for medical treatment.

Use to, convicted murderers could not sue the state.

Now, they can.

Use to, convicted criminals lost their voting privileges for life.

Now, they can vote when they get out.

Sometimes, it's like our country has lost its compass or that the poles have moved.

 

[Noomi]

well, gender dysphoria is a real illness. should they not get treatment for that illness?

do we not treat AIDS and STD's because some disapprove of how one might get those illnesses?

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

Proposed Revision | APA DSM-5

It would be a real illness if the sufferer were rw but otherwise, no, you're on your own and to hell with the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.

rw's should get what the insurance coverage they pay for but not the rest of us.

i really dont care if they are right or left....

public funds should not be spent on elective cosmetic surgery.

I think they should be depending on the reasons for the surgery. If someone wanted breast implants but already had average sized boobs, I would say tough. But if they had no breast at all, or were very flat chested, then yes, because a bust will give them confidence and help with their depression.
Same with gender surgery.

 

[syrenn]

It would be a real illness if the sufferer were rw but otherwise, no, you're on your own and to hell with the Constitution AND the Declaration of Independence.

rw's should get what the insurance coverage they pay for but not the rest of us.

i really dont care if they are right or left....

public funds should not be spent on elective cosmetic surgery.

I think they should be depending on the reasons for the surgery. If someone wanted breast implants but already had average sized boobs, I would say tough. But if they had no breast at all, or were very flat chested, then yes, because a bust will give them confidence and help with their depression.
Same with gender surgery.

bingo.... they wont die without it.


Its elective cosmetic surgery. If they want it... they can damn well pay for it themselves.