Noonan: Obama is a disaster

[geauxtohell]

Scathing column from the normally even handed Peggy Noonan.

If you are an Obama supporter...OUCH.

I always appreciate when Peggy Noonan comes down from her Manhatten throne to tell us peasants what the deal is.

God love her, she embodies the country club wing of the GOP that the party has a love/hate relationship with.

Good to see that she has been forgiven for pointing out that Palin is dumb as bricks.

She writes opinion pieces. Some opinions I agree with, others I don't.

That's the American way.

No doubt. I just find it amusing that the party that is strongly embracing a populist sentiment these days listens to an eltist like Noonan.

She is the antithesis of the Red State mentality.

I always find it hilarious when wonkette pokes fun at Noonan and the occasionally "out-of-touch with reality" things she says.

Wonkette : Peggy Noonan Takes Delightful Cab Ride Down Fifth Avenue!

I do think she is good for the GOP. As a moderate, she is one of the voices that is trying to keep the party from veering off the far right side of the road.

 

[mudwhistle]

When are folks going to wake up and understand it's not the President, it's the CONGRESS?

PELOSI/REID is the disaster, not Obama. This Congressional "leadership" is by far the WORST thing Obama "inherited" and it definitely shows.

Oh please, health care reform was to be the crown jewel of 0bama's reign. The two offset stones were successful wins in Irag and Afghanistan. Well, at least he has that Peace Prize. Who ended up with that million dollar award?

Obama.

It only took a $100 million per year bribe to get him the damned thing.

 

[amrchaos]

She is talking about UHC and making her judgement from that.

I would say Obama is a disaster if I based my assessment on the UHC bill, and I was not too much in favor of mandi-care!!

By the way--Peggy Noonan is a right winger.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Noonan finally having her Obamaroids removed, better late than never

 

[Foxfyre]

She is talking about UHC and making her judgement from that.

I would say Obama is a disaster if I based my assessment on the UHC bill, and I was not too much in favor of mandi-care!!

By the way--Peggy Noonan is a right winger.

Yes she is. All of us have an ideological bias, either indoctrinated into us or acquired through study, observation, logic, and reason.

I would not ever say that her ideology is not right of center.

I would, do, and have taken exception to accusations that she is shilling for the Republican Party or that her opinions are no more informed than anybody else's.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

I may have to agree with Noonan on this one. I don't think the Obama disaster is necessarily being felt today though. The Obama disaster will likely be felt tomorrow. He really has sunk so many generations to come. We're only in the early stages of this Obama disaster. The real pain & suffering will be felt down the road a bit. It really is very sad.

 

[boedicca]

It's highly likely that the Obama Disaster is perfectly intentional.

If the Dems do push ObamaCare through, the nature of our society will be forever changed into one of irreversible Big Government. Once the bureaucracy to support ObamaCare is in place, it will be very difficult to undo. This is why the Dems are so desperate to push this through now.

 

[NYcarbineer]

It's amazing the level of discourse by some. Sarah can only talk about her looks and intellignece (the latter coming from her is rich), NYC says she's not famous enough, etc. It takes some actual thought to comment on content and that's asking way too much from some.

I was pointing out that her political bias is worth taking into account when she's propagandizing about Obama. I would like to know what her characterization of Reagan's presidency at this point would be if she thinks Obama's is a disaster. By virtually every measure his presidency was no better at this point.

Her political bias? When we have already posted clips in which she strongly criticized President Bush 43? When we have posted that she has worked for PBS and wrote for Dan Rather? What political bias? She did work for Reagan, yes, and you don't expect somebody who works for you to try to discredit you. Dick Morris for instance worked for Bill Clinton and helped him build a favorable and popular image. Would you expect Morris to criticize Clinton while he was working for Clinton?

Political bias no. Ideological bias yes as we all have that.

But how does it help Obama to tear down Reagan? Are you happy to suck no worse than you perceive somebody else to suck?

I just want to hear the Reaganites here acknowledge that if Obama's presidency is a disaster at this point then so was Reagan's at this point, that's all.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Try posting a link.

I noticed you didn't show any of the Carter years before 80'. Also, this only shows that I was right. By 83' the economy had started to recover, just like I said. By 1988 he had unemployment around 5% also.

Also.....unemployment was around 5% in 08'. What happened?

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The fact that you would need a link to unemployment data when you're spouting off about it beforehand is just more evidence of your ignorance.

The fact that you refuse to give a link shows you're talking out of your ass.

A proper link used as a reference keeps people like you from using statistical data incorrectly. If you dare to provide said links then everyone can draw their own conclusions rather then having to take your biased word for it.

You made outrageously, laughably incorrect claims about Reagan without posting a link.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Four years of Carter may have contributed to that. Democrats seem to be able to screw things up faster then the GOP. I suppose you could say Bush took 8 yrs.....Carter took 4....and Obama took 1.

Reagan had a rocky road to start with. However Reagan at least didn't scare the shit out of everybody with his crazy policies. The prospects for a recovery are dismal regardless of how much the White House lies about how great everything is.

See, this is what ignorance of history gets you. The economy was growing when Reagan took office. The Reagan recession didn't begin until July of 1981, and lasted 16 months.

The economy was a mess during the Carter years. There were times when it didn't suck so badly but I remember unemployment being around 10%. It took until 1983 for things to turn around. Don't even attempt to tell me Reagan was responsible for a rotten economy.

Let's see a link to those 10% unemployment numbers during Carter's term, Link Boy.

 

[Foxfyre]

I was pointing out that her political bias is worth taking into account when she's propagandizing about Obama. I would like to know what her characterization of Reagan's presidency at this point would be if she thinks Obama's is a disaster. By virtually every measure his presidency was no better at this point.

Her political bias? When we have already posted clips in which she strongly criticized President Bush 43? When we have posted that she has worked for PBS and wrote for Dan Rather? What political bias? She did work for Reagan, yes, and you don't expect somebody who works for you to try to discredit you. Dick Morris for instance worked for Bill Clinton and helped him build a favorable and popular image. Would you expect Morris to criticize Clinton while he was working for Clinton?

Political bias no. Ideological bias yes as we all have that.

But how does it help Obama to tear down Reagan? Are you happy to suck no worse than you perceive somebody else to suck?

I just want to hear the Reaganites here acknowledge that if Obama's presidency is a disaster at this point then so was Reagan's at this point, that's all.

Well, I think Peggy would now have rated Reagan's presidency as a mixed bag of ups and downs. In fact she has done so in at least one of her best seller books.

She also would have noted that despite a recession triggered by an early tax increase that he signed off on, his subsequent policies resonated well with the American people. So well, in fact, that he carried 49 of 50 states in his re-election bid in 1984 and almost got Mondale's Minnesota too.

Do you think Obama who you see as no worse than Reagan could carry 49 of 50 states now? I'm pretty sure Peggy would take a very dubious view of that possibility even though she did throw some support his way in the last election.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Her political bias? When we have already posted clips in which she strongly criticized President Bush 43? When we have posted that she has worked for PBS and wrote for Dan Rather? What political bias? She did work for Reagan, yes, and you don't expect somebody who works for you to try to discredit you. Dick Morris for instance worked for Bill Clinton and helped him build a favorable and popular image. Would you expect Morris to criticize Clinton while he was working for Clinton?

Political bias no. Ideological bias yes as we all have that.

But how does it help Obama to tear down Reagan? Are you happy to suck no worse than you perceive somebody else to suck?

I just want to hear the Reaganites here acknowledge that if Obama's presidency is a disaster at this point then so was Reagan's at this point, that's all.

Well, I think Peggy would now have rated Reagan's presidency as a mixed bag of ups and downs. In fact she has done so in at least one of her best seller books.

She also would have noted that despite a recession triggered by an early tax increase that he signed off on, his subsequent policies resonated well with the American people. So well, in fact, that he carried 49 of 50 states in his re-election bid in 1984 and almost got Mondale's Minnesota too.

Do you think Obama who you see as no worse than Reagan could carry 49 of 50 states now? I'm pretty sure Peggy would take a very dubious view of that possibility even though she did throw some support his way in the last election.

The recession began in July 1981. Reagan had an '81 tax cut, and an '82 tax increase. The country came out of recession in late '82, after Reagan's tax increase. He then increased payroll taxes in 83.

 

[Zander]

Noonan finally figures out that Obama is a disaster and somehow this is news? Uh, thanks Peggy, but we already know he is a miserable failure.....

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I just want to hear the Reaganites here acknowledge that if Obama's presidency is a disaster at this point then so was Reagan's at this point, that's all.

Well, I think Peggy would now have rated Reagan's presidency as a mixed bag of ups and downs. In fact she has done so in at least one of her best seller books.

She also would have noted that despite a recession triggered by an early tax increase that he signed off on, his subsequent policies resonated well with the American people. So well, in fact, that he carried 49 of 50 states in his re-election bid in 1984 and almost got Mondale's Minnesota too.

Do you think Obama who you see as no worse than Reagan could carry 49 of 50 states now? I'm pretty sure Peggy would take a very dubious view of that possibility even though she did throw some support his way in the last election.

The recession began in July 1981. Reagan had an '81 tax cut, and an '82 tax increase. The country came out of recession in late '82, after Reagan's tax increase. He then increased payroll taxes in 83.

Whatever you say, Dear.

ERTA was passed August 81.

Maybe Obama should raise taxes since it worked so great for Reagan?

Dems should make that a campaign issue this November. Vote Dem and we'll raise your taxes to get this economy going...for real this time!

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Noonan finally figures out that Obama is a disaster and somehow this is news? Uh, thanks Peggy, but we already know he is a miserable failure.....

Peggy had a bad case of Obamaroids

 

[Foxfyre]

The recession began in July 1981. Reagan had an '81 tax cut, and an '82 tax increase. The country came out of recession in late '82, after Reagan's tax increase. He then increased payroll taxes in 83.

Taxes were raised legislatively EVERY year of Reagan's two terms I believe except for 1988. He recommended none of the tax increases but he did sign off on them as the alternative would have been that the Democratic congress would have retaliated in very ugly ways. You can look at the unemployment rates and see what happened after the massive tax increase of 1982. I remember Reagan boasting that he was getting $3 of budget cuts for every $1 he agreed to raise taxes. And as unemployment and the deficit rose, later he lamented that all Congress delivered was the taxes.

According to serious analysts include Milton Friedman among others, the 25% reduction in across the board marginal tax rates did result in positive trends however and kept those tax increases from doing as much damage as they otherwise would have done. Had Congress done the budget cuts they promised and the tax increases had been more limited, there would have been even more prosperity and much smaller deficits.

But that was not Reagan's legacy. His legacy was a people who were inspired, encouraged, and who were believing in their country as a great nation again. And THAT is why they overwhelmingly re-elected him--49 of 50 states--despite the negatives in his first term of office.

Peggy Noonan knows that Obama has neither encouraged nor inspired nor instilled pride in a great nation in his first year in office, and doesn't seem to care. He would not be elected dog catcher in most states if the election were held today.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Yea Noonan was one of his biggest cheerleaders during the campaign so i'm not so quick to call her a genius or anything. This Obama Disaster will be felt much more down the road. Many future generations will pay the price for this disaster. Pretty depressing stuff.

 

[Foxfyre]

Yea Noonan was one of his biggest cheerleaders during the campaign so i'm not so quick to call her a genius or anything. This Obama Disaster will be felt much more down the road. Many future generations will pay the price for this disaster. Pretty depressing stuff.

Noonan can be forgiven though for picking sides between a Hillary Clinton and a Barack Obama and/or a Barack Obama and a John McCain.

I liked a lot of things Obama said on the campaign trail, and wasn't even too concerned about the very few socialist items on his agenda. I liked the idea that he wanted fiscal responsibility, something that had been lacking during the Bush administration. I liked the idea of openness in government and a full airing of legislation before any votes, something that has been lacking during my entire lifetime. I liked the idea of bipartisan idea sharing and a government that is willing to listen to and hear the people, something that was too often missing in past administrations.

The red warning flags were up though re the occasional Freudian Marxist concept that occasionally slipped into his more unguarded, unscripted moments. I couldn't square what he was saying with the leftwing radicals with which he had always surrounded himself. I held my nose and voted for McCain, but when McCain lost, I hoped with all my heart Obama was the real deal. And I was committed to supporting him as much as I could.

Well, none of the rhetoric was real was it. All lip service. All pretty words with no substance or conviction behind them. Instead, we have the most dangerous person legislatively that we have EVER elected to high office. He talked really good talk, but he is walking a very different walk.

So no wonder Peggy, who is nobody's idiot, sees all that too and declares him a disaster in healthcare reform and no doubt soon in other really REALLY bad initiatives he wants to get passed. Nobody, not even Peggy Noonan, feels good about being played for a fool.

 

[Sinatra]

The Noonan column is receiving wide circulation, and considerable agreement.

Obama is a Disaster...

Scathing column from the normally even handed Peggy Noonan.

If you are an Obama supporter...OUCH.

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It is now exactly a year since President Obama unveiled his health care push and his decision to devote his inaugural year to it—his branding year, his first, vivid year.

What a disaster it has been.

...The only thing that might make his assertions sound believable now is if a group of congressional Republicans were standing next to him on the podium and putting forward a bill right along with him. Which, obviously, won’t happen, for three reasons. First, they enjoy his discomfort. Second, they believe the bill is not worth saving, that at this point no matter what it contains—and at this point most people can no longer retain in their heads what it contains—it has been fatally tainted by the past year of mistakes and inadequacies.

And the third reason is that the past decade has taught them what a disaster looks like, and they’ve lost their taste for standing next to one.


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[saveliberty]

Possibly the biggest disaster from the Democratic viewpoint:

Voter’s Remorse: Dissatisfaction with Obama is growing in Young Voters | Bearing Drift: Virginia Politics On Demand

"A year after backing Barack Obama by an overwhelming 2-to-1 ratio, young adults are quickly cooling toward Democrats amid dissatisfaction over the lack of change in Washington and an escalating war in Afghanistan.
…
The findings are significant because they offer further proof that the diverse coalition of voters Obama cobbled together in 2008 including high numbers of first-timers, minorities and youths are not Democratic Party voters who can necessarily be counted on.

While young adults remain decidedly more liberal, the survey found the Democratic advantage among 18-to-29 year olds has substantially narrowed from a record 62 percent identifying as Democrat vs. 30 percent for the GOP in 2008, down to 54 percent vs. 40 percent last December. It was the largest percentage point jump in those who identified or leaned Republican among all the voting age groups.

Could it be voter’s remorse? My sister confessed during a recent visit that she was extremely dissatisfied with President Obama due to the fact that she is having problems finding a job in the human services field. She will graduate in May with greater anxiety than I did when I graduated college. Another interesting comment my sister made was her dissatisfaction with how both the White House and Congress have spent recklessly on a Stimulus bill that has not yielded any new opportunities that the bill originally intended."

I think these times could leave a lifetime impression of Democrats these young people could carry the rest of their voting lives.