No Truth in Socialism: Why the 'Crisis of Marxism' Matters

[Rigby5]

Wow, nice list. Most paraplegic people have families who take care of them, as well, many work. Buzzer.

someone with cancer? You’re nuts. Many cancer victims have jobs, hmmm strange you don’t know that. Others who don’t are taken care of by family. Buzzer

85 years old have nest eggs they made. Damn, strange again. Buzzer.

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Does not matter if they are supported by families, charities, pensions, etc., it is still communism.
When a family does not make a profit by charging their children for room and board, that is communism.

 

[Rigby5]

I thought monarchies used slaves! Emperors had slaves! Damn

And that is why monarchies, emperors, etc. are capitalists.
Capitalist only sell things to make a profit, when you don't let them steal or murder for profit instead.

 

[Rigby5]

Communism never works, that is why there was no equality in the USSR

What we do have, as a result of the USSR is the Gulags and the millions killed, the tens of millions. All from people simply trying to live the communist, the marxist, dream, socialism.

Since the USSR was state capitalism and not at all communist, in any way, it only proves how bad state capitalism is.

 

[Soupnazi630]

Wrong.
Socialism allows capitalism as well, but a capitalist country can't have any socialism, like public schools or public health care.
So Scandinavian countries are socialist.

Scandanaian natyions are capitalist.

Capitalist nation do have SUPERIOR rosds and health care and schools

 

[Soupnazi630]

And that is why monarchies, emperors, etc. are capitalists.
Capitalist only sell things to make a profit, when you don't let them steal or murder for profit instead.

Those are fuedal not capitalist

 

[Soupnazi630]

Since the USSR was state capitalism and not at all communist, in any way, it only proves how bad state capitalism is.

The USSR was not capitlist in any way it was communist

 

[elektra]

Since the USSR was state capitalism and not at all communist, in any way, it only proves how bad state capitalism is.

right, the united socialist states of russia, was capitalism? yet they practiced pure marxism, no private property, even along the Blue Danube, where restaurants were not allowed to sell goose? Even goose they raised themselves.

You should really learn history, it is much more interesting than simply believing or making up lies.

 

[jc456]

Does not matter if they are supported by families, charities, pensions, etc., it is still communism.
When a family does not make a profit by charging their children for room and board, that is communism.

Nope! It’s teaching responsibility, parents job

 

[jc456]

Does not matter if they are supported by families, charities, pensions, etc., it is still communism.
When a family does not make a profit by charging their children for room and board, that is communism.

So paying rent is communism? Wow

 

[Senter]

Wrong.
When you get rid of the dictators, then all you have left is the proletariat.
The word proletariat NEVER excludes anyone.
Whether or not you allow the proletariat to be capitalist if they want, like with socialism instead of communism, everyone is part of the proletariat.
The whole point of Marxism is the elimination of different classes.
Instead, ONLY one class exists, the proletariat.
The dictatorship of the proletariat means you have only one class.
No others.
And it is an absolute and perfect democracy.

Do you know that Marx said governments exist to mediate the class struggle in favor of the "ruling" or dominant class? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that Marx said "lower communism" ("socialist society") is class society and it occurs or operates between capitalist society and "higher communism" ("communist" society)? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that Marx said that "higher communism" will be classless and therefore stateless society? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that Marx said that the dictatorship of the proletariat is only needed while there's a need to dictate over the capitalist class to stop them from acting out their capitalist dreams? If not you need to read a bit more.

Do you know that "the proletariat" is a term for the working class wage earners? Even bourgeois capitalist dictionaries know it. One says the proletariat is "the class of industrial wage earners who, possessing neither capital nor production means, must earn their living by selling their labor."

Are you familiar with the Marxian term "withering away" regarding what happens to CLASSES and the state under socialism? If not you need to read a bit more.

 

[Senter]

Sure there is lots of deliberate false propaganda.
But communism is ancient, as all primitive societies are always communist.
That is why all primitive societies hate use so much, in that we try to destroy their naturally communist ways, like the village collective rice paddies in Vietnam.

And our American Indian societies.

 

[Senter]

Wow, nice list. Most paraplegic people have families who take care of them, as well, many work. Buzzer.

someone with cancer? You’re nuts. Many cancer victims have jobs, hmmm strange you don’t know that. Others who don’t are taken care of by family. Buzzer

85 years old have nest eggs they made. Damn, strange again. Buzzer.

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To disagree with me on this you have to believe there are NO paraplegics who have no families and that if they have families those families can afford to support them and pay for their care. You also have to believe there are NO cancer patients who cannot work. You also have to believe that EVERY 85-year old has either family support or a nest egg they saved up.

THAT, my "friend", is enormously idiotic.

 

[Senter]

The "dictatorship of the proletariat" is defined as the following:
{...
In Marxist philosophy, the dictatorship of the proletariat is a condition in which the proletariat holds state power. The dictatorship of the proletariat is the intermediate stage between a capitalist economy and a communist economy, whereby the post-revolutionary state seizes the means of production, compels the implementation of direct elections on behalf of and within the confines of the ruling proletarian state party, and instituting elected delegates into representative workers' councils that nationalise ownership of the means of production from private to collective ownership.
...}
First of all, note that the dictatorship of the proletariat is communism, not socialism, and is a democracy, because it "compels the implementation of direct elections".
A dictatorship of the proletariat means a democracy, and nothing else.

Wait a minute. You say "note that the dictatorship of the proletariat is communism, not socialism".

Can you quote the exact passage and wording where you believe you see that said in your quote?

Also, where did you get the quote?

 

[Rigby5]

Scandanaian natyions are capitalist.

Capitalist nation do have SUPERIOR rosds and health care and schools

Wrong.
Are all the schools private and all the roads charging tolls?
No, then they are socialist.
Capitalism is profit motive only, so then there can be no free infrastructure to the general public.
Free infrastructure to the general public, is socialism.

 

[jc456]

To disagree with me on this you have to believe there are NO paraplegics who have no families and that if they have families those families can afford to support them and pay for their care. You also have to believe there are NO cancer patients who cannot work. You also have to believe that EVERY 85-year old has either family support or a nest egg they saved up.

THAT, my "friend", is enormously idiotic.

Prove your position

 

[Rigby5]

The USSR was not capitlist in any way it was communist

Wrong.
Was Stalin making a profit or not?
If he was motivated to make a profit, and he was, that is capitalism.

 

[Rigby5]

right, the united socialist states of russia, was capitalism? yet they practiced pure marxism, no private property, even along the Blue Danube, where restaurants were not allowed to sell goose? Even goose they raised themselves.

You should really learn history, it is much more interesting than simply believing or making up lies.

There is no such thing as Marxism, much less "pure marxism.
Karl Marx was theorizing about an ideal society, around 1830, where he thought if you got rid of all the capitalist dictators (monarchs), that people would revert to some sort of idealistic society that he never really decribed or theorized.
He just believed that without corrupt monarchs, that people would all willingly share.

 

[Rigby5]

Nope! It’s teaching responsibility, parents job

Of course it the parent's responsibility, but the point is they raise their children without being motivated to make a profit by doing so, which makes it socialist instead of capitalist.

 

[Rigby5]

So paying rent is communism? Wow

Wrong.
NOT charging your children rent is communism.

 

[elektra]

There is no such thing as Marxism, much less "pure marxism.
Karl Marx was theorizing about an ideal society, around 1830, where he thought if you got rid of all the capitalist dictators (monarchs), that people would revert to some sort of idealistic society that he never really decribed or theorized.
He just believed that without corrupt monarchs, that people would all willingly share.

Yes, and no communist manifesto or book called Capital

Marx was an idiot, as is all the Marxist countries, from cuba, to russia, to now the democrat party.