No Palestinian State

[P F Tinmore]

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

 

[Phoenall]

I'm not sure that is a relevant question...

It does exist, so it is....

Finding a peaceful solution to what already exists is far better time spent than wasting time on debating the legitimacy of what is legitimate!

Tell it to the arab muslims as they are the ones with the NO JEWS charter

So what is Netanyahu's solution?

Without any flexibility for negotiation of a two state solution then there can never be peace in the region...

To suggest that a two state solution will "giving a base for attacks to the radical Islam against Israel" is ridiculous... So, there would be no change then!

Offer a two state solution, withdraw from occupied territories and I for one will stand with Israel against any Islamic radical attacks and support Israel and international intervention!

Netanyahu's comments simply prove that the Israeli right wing has no stomach for a peaceful solution.

Been tried and the arab muslims made sure it failed, so what has changed in the last 10 years to show it wont fail again. They have been offered a two state solution and turned it down every time. So now Israel is saying what the arab muslims have been saying for the last 66 years and the islamonazi stooges don't like it.

When was a real two state solution tried?

2005 when Israel left gaza willingly and were bombarded with rockets all day every day. That was the first step on the road to peace agreed in 1999 at Oslo. So what have the Palestinians done again towards a permanent peace ?

Unfortunately Israel leaving Gaza is not a real two state solution is it...

That was Israel pulling out of territory that does not belong to them... As Israel needs to pull out of all occupied territory.

There can then be proper discussions on a two state solution.

Read Oslo and see what the first steps were towards a lasting peace, then get back and explain what the arab muslims did towards promoting that lasting peace. There were a lot of Jews that owned land and property in gaza so you cant say that it did not belong to them. Israel will when the Palestinians agree peace terms and mutual borders as set down in the Geneva conventions. There can never be discusions on a two state solution while the arab muslims are making illegal demands and trying to force other nations into doing their dirty work for them. Doing so will lead to massive repurcusions for both parties.

 

[Phoenall]

I'm not sure that is a relevant question...

It does exist, so it is....

Finding a peaceful solution to what already exists is far better time spent than wasting time on debating the legitimacy of what is legitimate!

Actually it is very relevant. Any resistance to Israel (there are many different types) like BDS, for example, is opposed to Israel. They can get much more traction if Israel is illegitimate than if it is legitimate.

If you look at the documents, the history, and the facts on the ground, there is nothing legitimate about it. Israel has a lot of political recognition but it has no legal standing.

This makes a big difference.

Can you please provide a link showing that Israel is illegitimate and has no legal standing.

I can find nothing documenting where Israel legally acquired the land that it sits on. Everything shows that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

What was MANDATE FOR PALESTINE LAND and I have given you the links to the relevant international laws that gave the land to the Jews. It is in the treaty of Sevres and the treaty of Lausanne as well as the Mandate for Palestine. So everything shows that the arab muslims actually sit of Jewish owned land as illegal squatters

 

[Phoenall]

I'm not sure that is a relevant question...

It does exist, so it is....

Finding a peaceful solution to what already exists is far better time spent than wasting time on debating the legitimacy of what is legitimate!

Actually it is very relevant. Any resistance to Israel (there are many different types) like BDS, for example, is opposed to Israel. They can get much more traction if Israel is illegitimate than if it is legitimate.

If you look at the documents, the history, and the facts on the ground, there is nothing legitimate about it. Israel has a lot of political recognition but it has no legal standing.

This makes a big difference.

Can you please provide a link showing that Israel is illegitimate and has no legal standing.

I can find nothing documenting where Israel legally acquired the land that it sits on. Everything shows that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

Where does any documentation show that Israel sits on Palestinian land ?

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

Even your own links call you a liar as they all say Israel in the title and not Palestine.



Another massive fail

 

[Phoenall]

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

Don't get excited. I was just trying to keep it simple for you. Here is more.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line...​

And more.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.​

And more.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

The MANDATE FOR PALESTINE of course and not the fantasy nation of Palestine. How many more times will you show yourself up as a complete and utter idiot by making these outlandish claims

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not reading very well.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

(COMMENT)

First --- all the armistice arrangements were between Israel and one of the 4 Aggressor Arab Nations.
Each Armistice Arrangement has an official title and identifies the parties to the agreement.

UNTERM Registry --- Four General Armistice Agreements of 1949. The agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

• General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel;
  • TITLE: EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Lebanon and Israel;
  • TITLE: LEBANESE-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel;
  • TITLE: HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria.
  • TITLE: SYRIA-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

The Armistice lines were converted into borders between Egypt and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1979 and between Jordan and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1994. Jordan, however, had renounced in 1988 all legal and administrative ties to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel had captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, so their disposition was not included in the Israeli-Jordanian peace treaty.

No peace treaties have been signed between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. The de facto dividing line between Israel and Lebanon is the “blue” line demarcated by the UN after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000; and the line between Israel and Syria is the line around the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in 1967. (The line was amended in the 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria following the 1973 war.)

During the course of the Armistice arrangements of 1949 (February thru July 1949), the only "Palestine" there was --- was the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied. There was no Arab sovereignty as the opportunity had been rejected. By the time the last of the Armistice Arrangements were signed, the Security Council had recommended admission to the UN (S/RES/69) (Mar 1949), and the General Assembly had adopted and admitted Israel to the UN (A/RES/273 III) (May 1949). (It took the Arab Palestinians another 4 decades to accopmlish half of what the Israelis accomplished, and are still not able to stand alone as required by Article 22.) Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.

"The view was also expressed that the two resolutions passed by the General Assembly on 14 May reaffirmed partition. The resolution calling for the appointment of a Mediator implied two parties, and two parties implied partition. Likewise, the other resolution, expressing appreciation of the General Assembly for the work performed by the Commission in pursuance of the mandate given to it last November, also could be interpreted as reaffirming partition."

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Actually it is very relevant. Any resistance to Israel (there are many different types) like BDS, for example, is opposed to Israel. They can get much more traction if Israel is illegitimate than if it is legitimate.

If you look at the documents, the history, and the facts on the ground, there is nothing legitimate about it. Israel has a lot of political recognition but it has no legal standing.

This makes a big difference.

Can you please provide a link showing that Israel is illegitimate and has no legal standing.

I can find nothing documenting where Israel legally acquired the land that it sits on. Everything shows that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

Where does any documentation show that Israel sits on Palestinian land ?

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

Even your own links call you a liar as they all say Israel in the title and not Palestine.



Another massive fail

No they don't.

 

[Phoenall]

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries.

The agreements did not say that.

A place called Israel was never mentioned.

Read your own post again as the name Israel is in the title.

 

[Phoenall]

Can you please provide a link showing that Israel is illegitimate and has no legal standing.

I can find nothing documenting where Israel legally acquired the land that it sits on. Everything shows that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

Where does any documentation show that Israel sits on Palestinian land ?

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

Even your own links call you a liar as they all say Israel in the title and not Palestine.



Another massive fail

No they don't.

Your links with the name Israel highlighted for you to see


The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949



You are so moronic that you are even arguing with yourself now.

 

[Phoenall]

Can you please provide a link showing that Israel is illegitimate and has no legal standing.

I can find nothing documenting where Israel legally acquired the land that it sits on. Everything shows that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

Where does any documentation show that Israel sits on Palestinian land ?

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

No thanks we don't know were it has been

 

[Phoenall]

Where does any documentation show that Israel sits on Palestinian land ?

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

 

[Phoenall]

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

Don't get excited. I was just trying to keep it simple for you. Here is more.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line...​

And more.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.​

And more.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

Do read the header for these agreements and see where they do state Israel, as in this one

Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949 (1)

 

[eots]

As many of you are aware, until this recent election victory I felt disdain & disgust for Netanyahoo. I even referred to him as Nutandyahoo for making peace offerings to Palestinians, building a security fence & granting Palestinians their their own Jew free Gaza to add fuel to this endless conflict. I even stated he should be tried & convicted for war crimes against his own Israeli citizens for what he has done. Finally Bibi has earned my full support & best wishes.

And for those of you who disagree that he has made the best move for Israel by denying a Palestifnian State, consider the rocket missiles Israel received for a thank you for giving them Gaza. And above all, just ask yourself would Egypt or Jordan who know the Palestinians best, care to offer the Palestinians a Palestinian State? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Israel s PM Netanyahu No Palestinian state on my watch - CNN.com

So does still have your full support & best wishes.
how do you feel being lied to ?

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949

LOL ! You mean the agreements the were between Israel and four other countries, but NOT between 'Palestine'??

Where in those links does it say that Israel sits on Palestinian land.

This should be interesting

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

 

[pbel]

As many of you are aware, until this recent election victory I felt disdain & disgust for Netanyahoo. I even referred to him as Nutandyahoo for making peace offerings to Palestinians, building a security fence & granting Palestinians their their own Jew free Gaza to add fuel to this endless conflict. I even stated he should be tried & convicted for war crimes against his own Israeli citizens for what he has done. Finally Bibi has earned my full support & best wishes.

And for those of you who disagree that he has made the best move for Israel by denying a Palestifnian State, consider the rocket missiles Israel received for a thank you for giving them Gaza. And above all, just ask yourself would Egypt or Jordan who know the Palestinians best, care to offer the Palestinians a Palestinian State? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Israel s PM Netanyahu No Palestinian state on my watch - CNN.com

So does still have your full support & best wishes.
how do you feel being lied to ?

Eots, don't pick on MJ, he's senile and krusty, then he has the nerve to use the term Nut&Yahoo I coined ages ago...

Poor senile idiot often repeats what others say but forgets who said them.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you generally only tell half the story.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

See Post #46:

Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Penelope]

As many of you are aware, until this recent election victory I felt disdain & disgust for Netanyahoo. I even referred to him as Nutandyahoo for making peace offerings to Palestinians, building a security fence & granting Palestinians their their own Jew free Gaza to add fuel to this endless conflict. I even stated he should be tried & convicted for war crimes against his own Israeli citizens for what he has done. Finally Bibi has earned my full support & best wishes.

And for those of you who disagree that he has made the best move for Israel by denying a Palestifnian State, consider the rocket missiles Israel received for a thank you for giving them Gaza. And above all, just ask yourself would Egypt or Jordan who know the Palestinians best, care to offer the Palestinians a Palestinian State? LET THERE BE PEACE ALREADY!

Israel s PM Netanyahu No Palestinian state on my watch - CNN.com

oh oh, now he is back to a 2 state thing again.

love it Nutandyahoo. (he wears flip flops)

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not reading very well.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

(COMMENT)

First --- all the armistice arrangements were between Israel and one of the 4 Aggressor Arab Nations.
Each Armistice Arrangement has an official title and identifies the parties to the agreement.

UNTERM Registry --- Four General Armistice Agreements of 1949. The agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

• General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel;
  • TITLE: EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Lebanon and Israel;
  • TITLE: LEBANESE-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel;
  • TITLE: HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria.
  • TITLE: SYRIA-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

The Armistice lines were converted into borders between Egypt and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1979 and between Jordan and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1994. Jordan, however, had renounced in 1988 all legal and administrative ties to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel had captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, so their disposition was not included in the Israeli-Jordanian peace treaty.

No peace treaties have been signed between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. The de facto dividing line between Israel and Lebanon is the “blue” line demarcated by the UN after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000; and the line between Israel and Syria is the line around the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in 1967. (The line was amended in the 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria following the 1973 war.)

During the course of the Armistice arrangements of 1949 (February thru July 1949), the only "Palestine" there was --- was the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied. There was no Arab sovereignty as the opportunity had been rejected. By the time the last of the Armistice Arrangements were signed, the Security Council had recommended admission to the UN (S/RES/69) (Mar 1949), and the General Assembly had adopted and admitted Israel to the UN (A/RES/273 III) (May 1949). (It took the Arab Palestinians another 4 decades to accopmlish half of what the Israelis accomplished, and are still not able to stand alone as required by Article 22.) Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.

"The view was also expressed that the two resolutions passed by the General Assembly on 14 May reaffirmed partition. The resolution calling for the appointment of a Mediator implied two parties, and two parties implied partition. Likewise, the other resolution, expressing appreciation of the General Assembly for the work performed by the Commission in pursuance of the mandate given to it last November, also could be interpreted as reaffirming partition."

Most Respectfully,
R

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Jordan. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Egypt. There are also armistice lines through Palestine to define the West Bank and Gaza.

2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,​

Since the armistice lines are not boundaries they do not replace Palestine's international boundaries. The armistice lines around the West bank and Gaza do not separate anything. It is Palestine on both sides.

3. Reaffirms the inalienable right of the peoples of Namibia and Zimbabwe, of the Palestinian people and of all peoples under alien and colonial domination to self-determination, national independence, territorial integrity, and national unity and sovereignty without external interference;​

Only the Palestinians have the right to change any of that.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You are not reading very well.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

(COMMENT)

First --- all the armistice arrangements were between Israel and one of the 4 Aggressor Arab Nations.
Each Armistice Arrangement has an official title and identifies the parties to the agreement.

UNTERM Registry --- Four General Armistice Agreements of 1949. The agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:​

• General Armistice Agreement between Egypt and Israel;
  • TITLE: EGYPTIAN-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF EGYPT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Lebanon and Israel;
  • TITLE: LEBANESE-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF LEBANON
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between the Hashemite Jordan Kingdom and Israel;
  • TITLE: HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM - ISRAEL: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF HASHEMITE JORDAN KINGDOM
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL
• General Armistice Agreement between Israel and Syria.
  • TITLE: SYRIA-ISRAELI: GENERAL ARMISTICE AGREEMENT
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF SYRIA
  • SIGNED FOR AND ON BEHALF OF THE GOVERNMENT OF ISRAEL

The Armistice lines were converted into borders between Egypt and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1979 and between Jordan and Israel by their Peace Treaty of 1994. Jordan, however, had renounced in 1988 all legal and administrative ties to the West Bank and East Jerusalem, which Israel had captured from Jordan in the 1967 war, so their disposition was not included in the Israeli-Jordanian peace treaty.

No peace treaties have been signed between Israel and Syria and Israel and Lebanon. The de facto dividing line between Israel and Lebanon is the “blue” line demarcated by the UN after Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon in 2000; and the line between Israel and Syria is the line around the Golan Heights, which Israel captured in 1967. (The line was amended in the 1974 disengagement agreement between Israel and Syria following the 1973 war.)

During the course of the Armistice arrangements of 1949 (February thru July 1949), the only "Palestine" there was --- was the territory to which the British Mandate formerly applied. There was no Arab sovereignty as the opportunity had been rejected. By the time the last of the Armistice Arrangements were signed, the Security Council had recommended admission to the UN (S/RES/69) (Mar 1949), and the General Assembly had adopted and admitted Israel to the UN (A/RES/273 III) (May 1949). (It took the Arab Palestinians another 4 decades to accopmlish half of what the Israelis accomplished, and are still not able to stand alone as required by Article 22.) Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.

"The view was also expressed that the two resolutions passed by the General Assembly on 14 May reaffirmed partition. The resolution calling for the appointment of a Mediator implied two parties, and two parties implied partition. Likewise, the other resolution, expressing appreciation of the General Assembly for the work performed by the Commission in pursuance of the mandate given to it last November, also could be interpreted as reaffirming partition."

Most Respectfully,
R

agreements are:
A set of treaties signed in 1949 between Israel and its neighbours Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria. The Agreements ended the 1948 Arab-Israeli War, and established the armistice demarcation lines between Israel and the West Bank, also known as the Green Line, which persisted until the 1967 Six-Day War. The individual agreements are the:

That is a half truth i.e. misleading.

There is an armistice line between Palestine and Lebanon. There is an armistice line between Palestine and Syria.

There is a lot of information in those agreements. Perhaps you should read them. Do you want me to hold your hand?

I've read them many times before. Nothing in there says what you claim..

Also, YOU made the claim and I asked you to back it up. So far, nothing at all.

Try again.

In the preamble all of the agreements have this statement:

Responding to the Security Council resolution of 16 November 1948,(2) calling upon them, as a further provisional measure under Article 40 of the Charter of the United Nations and in order to facilitate the transition from the present truce to permanent peace in Palestine, to negotiate an armistice;​

This one sentence says a few things.

They call for peace "in Palestine." They did not say peace in Israel or Israel/Palestine. Palestine was there. Where was Israel?

An armistice was called by UN Security Council resolution. An armistice is when hostilities cease without anyone surrendering. Nobody lost the 1948 war.

Where was Israel ? Uhhh, the agreements are BETWEEN Israel and 4 other countries. Why wasn't there any agreement between Israel and Palestine Tinmore ?

Nothing in your post suggests that Israel is sitting on Palestinian land.

Don't get excited. I was just trying to keep it simple for you. Here is more.

The Avalon Project Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement July 20 1949
Where the existing truce lines run along the international boundary between Syria and Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the boundary line...​

And more.

The Avalon Project Lebanese-Israeli General Armistice Agreement March 23 1949
1. The Armistice Demarcation Line shall follow the international boundary between the Lebanon and Palestine.​

And more.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
2. The Armistice Demarcation Line is not to be construed in any sense as a political or territorial boundary,...

...of this Agreement; and elsewhere shall not violate the international frontier;...

2. This withdrawal shall begin on the day after that which follows the signing of this Agreement, at 0500 hours GMT, and shall be beyond the Egypt-Palestine frontier.​

And more specific about land.

The Avalon Project Egyptian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement February 24 1949
3. It is further recognized that rights, claims or interests of a nonmilitary character in the area of Palestine covered by this Agreement...

4. The road Taba-Qouseima-Auja shall not be employed by any military forces whatsoever for the purpose of entering Palestine.

The Avalon Project Jordanian-Israeli General Armistice Agreement April 3 1949
d) In the sector from a point on the Dead Sea (MR 1925-0958) to the southernmost tip of Palestine, the Armistice Demarcation Line shall be determined by...​

BTW, there was no mention of a place called Israel. No land or borders for Israel were mentioned either.

Do read the header for these agreements and see where they do state Israel, as in this one

Israeli-Syrian General Armistice Agreement, July 20, 1949 (1)

You are confusing Israel, a place, with Israeli, some people.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes, you generally only tell half the story.

They call for the peace in the MANDATE FOR PALESTINE not the nation of palestine

The armistice agreements were in 1949.

The Mandate left Palestine in 1948.

(COMMENT)

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

See Post #46:

Since that time, various elements of the pro-Arab Palestinian Community have attempted to assert that because the term "Palestine" was used and went unchanged after the Mandate terminated, that there must have been a country called "Palestine." And to an extent the successor government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission --- with the adopted resolution (A/RES/189 S-2) providing for the appointment of a United Nations Mediator in Palestine, which relieves the United Nations Palestine Commission from the further exercise of its responsibilities.​

Most Respectfully,
R

The Successor Government to the Mandatory was the UN Palestine Commission, which was succeeded by the UN Mediator.

You keep saying that. Where were they after May 15, 1948 when they were to protect the people and land under their trust?

Do you have some links?