No food stamps for any family of a striking worker

[JBeukema]

Unions are part of the reason why the middle class has been on the decline.

Union membership, average real income, and the condition of the working class were all much higher in the 50s

try again

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I was listening to a radio show yesterday, and one of the callers was just like the rest of you.

They believed people should pull their own weight? Good, I'm glad it's an idea that's catching on.

 

[Sheldon]

Unions are part of the reason why the middle class has been on the decline.

¿por qué?

 

[GHook93]

I wonder if you guys would have a problem with them cutting food stamps to the military?

I would have a problem with that and I would have a problem with them taking away food stamps. Food is essential to people and believe it or not many people on food stamps are on it legitimately. Most people are ashamed to be on it.

However, I don't think a person should be able to strike and go on food stamps (that is really what this is about).

 

[Luissa]

I wonder if you guys would have a problem with them cutting food stamps to the military?

Why would we do that. Your question makes no sense.

Yeah, why would you do that?
The military is the most socialized part of the government, but you never see right wingers going after military funding.

 

[dilloduck]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

It always has been--you either accept where you are or strive to work yourself up into a higher class.

 

[StevenC]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Yeah, because that could really happen.

It's really happened to many people.

That is the problem with you republicans, you have this notion that maybe one day you will be rich. When in reality it probably will never happen and you screw yourself over by voting like you are.

And your attitude is the problem with people like you. You have absolutely no motivation to get and try and better your life. You just sit around and bitch about how unfair it is that other people got off their asses and did something with themselves and because they've succeeded they somehow owe you something.

Since you don't believe you will ever be anything more, you won't. It's that simple.

Theses right wing policies is exactly why I will never join the republican aka the party that is screwing the american worker.

Well, I'm not a Republican either, so I don't see how that is even relevant to the discussion.

 

[Luissa]

Unions are part of the reason why the middle class has been on the decline.

¿por qué?

someone should tell him unions are the reason why we have a middle class

 

[WillowTree]

I'm not real up on this so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Say if you're in a union and the union decides to go on strike. Don't you HAVE to stop working even if you don't want to?

Whether you have an obligation or not kinda depends on the union, but usually you pretty much have no choice.

You could break with the union and become a scab, but that's also a dangerous proposition

Striking auto workers beat a worker as he tries to cross the picket line during a 1941 strike at the Ford Rouge Plant, in Dearborn, Michigan.

In the eyes of the Union, you have then aligned yourself with the bosses agianst your fellow workers


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That’s where the scab comes in. Crossing the picket line is not a neutral act. The nature of work means that a worker cannot simply say they are not involved in the dispute and remain neutral. Since the point of withdrawing labour is to cease production and force the bosses to negotiate or capitulate, going back to work is to objectively favour those in charge.
It gives them a way to carry on work (even at a reduced rate) without the strikers and so lessens the impact of the action. It is, in short, a betrayal of your fellow workers and of the spirit of solidarity that brought us to the (limited) rights and freedoms we enjoy today from conditions comparable to Chinese sweatshops.
It is for the reasons above that there is a great deal of hostility towards individuals and organisations who break strikes amongst organised workers. But also that use of them is favoured by the bosses.

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What is anarcho-syndicalism: the line you do not cross « Property is Theft!
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Thugs. Thugs Thugs.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

Unions are part of the reason why the middle class has been on the decline.

Union membership, average real income, and the condition of the working class were all much higher in the 50s

try again

I thought this was 2011.

Try again.

 

[jgarden]

I've seen our conservative friends in this forum express far more "tolerance" for Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi than for Wisconsin teachers or American workers on strike!

 

[JBeukema]

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?

Thank a Wobbly for that. Listen to the Republicans. They're always attacking such laws, as well as environmental protections, on the grounds that the government needs to 'get out the way' of the corporation in order to 'compete with China'.

The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

If they go away, all progress will be lost.

This matter was discussed in some detail in this thread:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/142896-unions-in-the-us.html

 

[Truthmatters]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?
The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

So you think workers are too stupid to know what is good for them?


Unions are merely groups of people working together.

You want to ban that ?

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

I wonder if you guys would have a problem with them cutting food stamps to the military?

Why would we do that. Your question makes no sense.

Yeah, why would you do that?
The military is the most socialized part of the government, but you never see right wingers going after military funding.

The military is one of the primary Constitutional functions of the federal government, unlike most other things the government does. Don't know why that's so hard to understand.

But you are correct, we spend too much on the military and it should be scaled down. Not sure why you brought up the military, though, in the first place. It's completely irrelevant to the topic.

 

[Sheldon]

Shel, this has never been about the budget. Else they wouldn't have matched these measures with tax cuts. Walker admitted the GOP's goals on the phone. It's about breaking the unions and ensuring the 50's never happen again. It's all about rolling back socialist progress and restoring Americans to the sweatshops. The rallying cry is 'compete with China'. As the proletariat around the world strives for progress and presents itself a potential new market, the bourgeoisie is working to ensure they still have unprotected working poor to exploit- by returning Americans to the things they were. They are conservatives in the strictest sense: reactionaries seeking to restore the status quo ante in order to preserve or restore their power and influence.

It is class war, pure and simple.

Yeah I know. It was a rhetorical question. I have no problem with the GOP doing these policies with transparent motives; let them piss off as many voters as they want.

 

[JBeukema]

I'm not real up on this so someone correct me if I'm wrong. Say if you're in a union and the union decides to go on strike. Don't you HAVE to stop working even if you don't want to?

Whether you have an obligation or not kinda depends on the union, but usually you pretty much have no choice.

You could break with the union and become a scab, but that's also a dangerous proposition

In the eyes of the Union, you have then aligned yourself with the bosses agianst your fellow workers


​

That’s where the scab comes in. Crossing the picket line is not a neutral act. The nature of work means that a worker cannot simply say they are not involved in the dispute and remain neutral. Since the point of withdrawing labour is to cease production and force the bosses to negotiate or capitulate, going back to work is to objectively favour those in charge.
It gives them a way to carry on work (even at a reduced rate) without the strikers and so lessens the impact of the action. It is, in short, a betrayal of your fellow workers and of the spirit of solidarity that brought us to the (limited) rights and freedoms we enjoy today from conditions comparable to Chinese sweatshops.
It is for the reasons above that there is a great deal of hostility towards individuals and organisations who break strikes amongst organised workers. But also that use of them is favoured by the bosses.

What is anarcho-syndicalism: the line you do not cross « Property is Theft!
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Thugs. Thugs Thugs.

When the UAW went on strike, the Big Three hired the mafia to shoot unarmed women and children with Tommy guns and throw people off bridges

The unions responded with force

The Wobblies

 

[JBeukema]

Unions are part of the reason why the middle class has been on the decline.

Union membership, average real income, and the condition of the working class were all much higher in the 50s

try again

I thought this was 2011.

And in the past 60 years, union membership and real income have both declined

 

[StevenC]

You do know there are laws now that protect workers from sweat shops and such?

Thank a Wobbly for that. Listen to the Republicans. They're always attacking such laws, as well as environmental protections, on the grounds that the government needs to 'get out the way' of the corporation in order to 'compete with China'.

The unions did their job now it it time for them to leave as they are only a detriment to workers.

If they go away, all progress will be lost.
This matter was discussed in some detail in this thread:
http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/142896-unions-in-the-us.html

How so? You thing congress would ever repeal the laws protecting worker?
And even if they did, you thing the courts would allow it?

 

[Luissa]

Yeah, because that could really happen.

It's really happened to many people.

That is the problem with you republicans, you have this notion that maybe one day you will be rich. When in reality it probably will never happen and you screw yourself over by voting like you are.

And your attitude is the problem with people like you. You have absolutely no motivation to get and try and better your life. You just sit around and bitch about how unfair it is that other people got off their asses and did something with themselves and because they've succeeded they somehow owe you something.

Since you don't believe you will ever be anything more, you won't. It's that simple.

Theses right wing policies is exactly why I will never join the republican aka the party that is screwing the american worker.

Well, I'm not a Republican either, so I don't see how that is even relevant to the discussion.

No, I just have worked for corporate America, and know how they treat their workers when they don't have to deal with unions.