Next Target Iran.

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    "So when Bush asks America to give his plan to send 21,000 troops to fortify Baghdad and help train Iraqi security forces "a chance," what he's really saying is, 'regardless of what Congress, the American people and the Iraq Study Group want to see happen, I will send 50,000 under-equipped troops into the meat-grinder so that they can more effectively arm and train Shiite militias.' This, while the administration steadfastly refuses to engage in a parallel diplomatic push with Iraq's neighbors -- one that might give the plan some small chance of success -- choosing instead to rattle its saber towards Iran.

    Sen. Chris Dodd responded to all this by saying: "This is the United States Senate. This is not some city council somewhere … It seems to me sending something down that engages the president, that forces the administration to pay attention is something we ought to be considering."

    Russ Feingold added, "A political victory is not more important than ending this war," and he's right. With an attack against Iran seeming ever more probable, this is the time to lay down hard constraints, to cut funding for Bush's escalation, demand he seek congressional authorization to spread his conflict beyond Iraq and move towards ending the occupation. Anything less at this point is too little, too late."

    I couldnt agree more. What do you people think?
     
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    I think you have your head buried in the sand to ignore the obvious threat the Iranian regime poses. Personally, when people start announcing they plan to commit genocide, I think we should take them seriously.

    Iran has been supplying our enemies in Iraq and even sending troops lately. Let's stop tip toeing around the issue and admit that they are engaged in a war against us.

    Leaving Iraq will not stop war. The only way to stop the war is to defeat our enemies.
     
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    So basically you want two Iraq situations? Look even if people did agree with you, its just impossible. This isnt world war 2, there is no draft. So how can we have even close to enough troops to invade iran when we are already spread thin trying to train iraqi soldiers and keep democracy in iraq? And on top of that have enough reserves back home incase of invasion. The only way it would be logical to invade iran would be to enforce the draft, and good luck getting that passed by congress. Other than that all you have are bombs, and nukes to replace soldiers.....its not logical or strategic to fight a war with just bombs and nukes, it worked in hiroshima because japan didnt have them, infact nobody had them! Now everyone has them and that would set off nuclear war. I think we can agree that nuclear war is not what anybody wants.
     
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    Did I say we need to invade Iran? There are plenty of things we can do to defeat an enemy without invasion. We beat the Soviets without invasion. Id just like the American people to stop pretending they arent the enemy.

    If they continue fighting us in Iraq, I dont really see how we have a choice in the matter.
     
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    What do I think about Iran?

    Wheeew..(big breath).

    I remember the day we went into Iraq..and the American determination...The Spirit we all had to kick some butt...Most all of us wanted payback after 911..and we did go after the Taliwonkers in Afghanistan to remove them from power.

    This war with Iraq was based totaly on bull_hit when it came to invading Iraq,to occupy...and to believe we could bring an "Operation Freedom" to the Iraqi people...It was not not about that at all..to begin with.

    More U.S. Soldiers will have died...than that of the 911 terrorist attack in the weeks to months/years.....More death..and suffering than we can imagine for the innocent Iraqi people...They are the victims of our aggression...This all backfired...(my opinion).

    We created a nightmare in my opinion.

    I also feel other world communities knew we drumed up reasons for going there...and feel it's our mess...They are watching us even more close now..than ever before.

    Iran can get away with alot right now...because even if Israel pulls any aggression the Middle East right now...well..need I say more?

    It was going after weapons of mass destruction when it came to Iraq..and ties to terrorist organizations etc...to remove a bad man from power.There is no argument in that..Saddam was a ruthless man..and ruled with an iron fist.It's amazing at one time we helped train..and equiped the Iraqi's to inflict pain on the Iranian's during that war those two countries had.

    I say talk with the Iranian Government...negotiate.That's just as good for them..as it is us.

    This world needs a good kick in the arse..in geting along..We the U.S. need to be an influential power..Not just protecting our interests..but be a dam light-house of truth..and freedom.

    I think this was a personal & money orientated adventure with Iraq..a gamble.Was our intelligence that bad just after 911?...Could that of been prevented...Obviously not with the data we had on Iraq..(shaking my head).

    I am suspect of any evidence this administration pulls out from a hat..after the bologna with Iraq...Bush was such good so called friends with Putin before this war..and I bet they don't even answer the phone for eachother now.

    We had most every civilized country in the world behind us after 911....we used that as an excuse to go into Iraq...But WHO did that??

    American's were not protesting in the streets to attack Iraq...We wanted justice...to go after the source...Well..we believed what we were told.We were willing back then...

    With failure we seek to find out why this started with Iraq..We already know how...This administration shoved it down the American peoples throat..we bought it.

    Iran is not gona be an easy sell...and if Bush thinks he can ignore the American people a second time around with Iran...he's mistaken.

    I see it all so clearly now in that we failed in Iraq...

    If we would of succeded.. the truth in all this that brought it all about...would be clouded with victory.."Mission Accomplished".

    I think this was the greatest blunder ever....100's of Billions of dollars poured into a mistake..and an open wound that will never heal.

    The top brass says we couldn't handle a war with Iran...How the heck can we afford one...by puting all our cash into a previous mistake..that will end up costing more than 10 wars when all is said..and done....Some will get rick..but us tax payers will pay..Our children will be paying.

    Our troops are tied down...and so is our cash supply to start more trouble.

    We turned Iraq into a Gaza Strip..and then some...Peace between the Sunni & Shiites over there in Iraq...is like that of Israel & the Palestinans.

    We learn from our mistakes...but this Iraq thing is a Big One.

    I like pointing the finger...and can't say I supported this war to begin with.BUT at that point in time we all felt different about it..at the starting of it.

    What was funny..is if this would of been said a month after we went in..it would of been bashing our troops..I believe even they look at this different now.....It was all based on the American Spirit...to question was like siding with the enemy.

    The great wars of history...were protecting our freedoms..The ones now days are special interest...Usualy in the oil regions we hear conflict...Even the media..and administrations can influence us.

    I have no answers..just yacking some..Spoke my mind tonight..

    My life is no better..than how the affairs of the world works..But in day..to day life we gota accept it...We can't fight everything...and we all know might don't make right...

    Peace...:)
     
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    I watched Chimpy McPresident's press conference yesterday, and it was frightening. President Bush has already made up his mind. It's not a matter of if American forces engage Iranian forces, but when and on what pretext. He's going to do what he will, everyone else be damned.

    It's really little different from when he was denying the US forces would be invading Iraq all the while having made up his mind to do so. The stakes, this time, are much greater. Iran's military will not be the push-over Iraq's military was. Already stretched thin, not just in Iraq, but in general, US forces would be hard pressed to do more than fall back to defensive positions and hope for relief.

    Military action would also carry the very real potential of further destabilizing the whole Middle East. Iraq is already the killing ground in a proxy-war between Sunnis and Shi'ias. Imagine the consequences to the region if Saudi Arabia sends troops in from the south, Iran sends troops in from east and Syria from the north-west. The smaller Gulf states would be swept along with whatever branch of Islam the majority of their populations adhere to. Oil production would plummet and the economic, political and military shock-waves would be felt around the world. The possibility of triggering a third world war is very real.

    Chimpy and Co seem to have willfully ignored these, and other consequences of engaging in military action against Iran. And it is for that reason, as much as any other, they must be stopped. It's time for Republicans and Democrats to stop playing the bunch of quibble-dicks they are and act to stop this Administration from engaging in a course of action which could spark another global conflict. If articles of impeachment are the only way to do so, then so be it. Better a constitutional crisis in America than a world war which will make the last one seem as a Sunday school outing in comparison.
     
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    Well said Bullypulpit...

    Good post man!

    What makes me think most..if a second blunder is done...It would be like kicking some guys arse that didn't have it coming twice...The smaller ones in the school yard will join up sooner..more than later.

    I always feel more safe with a group of friends...and I'm a big guy.

    We can negotiate..mediate..We all play by the same rules in our communities...the world has to start sometime...We gota sit down with these people..and put sh_t to paper...more world involvement...I know the bologna in that..but going it alone has not been paying off....In an action that one needs to give a spanking..we need a dam good reason...We as people reason pretty dam good...but the world does not...I just can't grasp the madness tonight.....(smile)..It's B.S...
     
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    Which guys? The Sadr bunch? While in Iran his take seems to be anything the US is against. So not that.
     
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    [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9T-XzeFuYk[/ame]

    Video clip about Bush and his plans for Iran.

    Just click on the link above to watch.
     
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    All those who are self-mutilating lovers....get ready to get excited, because your Wish for the United States to be suckered into another War, a bloodier war, is very close to coming true.
     

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