News Flash: A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen, but it hangs on Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records

[scruffy]

I enjoy watching you spin yourself in circles ever time Bragg and the leftists latest narrative fails. It’s almost as funny as this.

Get the jab you won’t get covid and can’t spread it.
Ok you can get covid but you won’t spread it.
Ok you can spread it .
When you get it won’t be as bad.

Younidiots fell for every single one.

The only way to deal with these morons is push back HARD.

 

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Interesting exchange you might want to ignore: It's about who is actually on trial:

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So why would the judge object to Robert Costello and former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith from testifying for the defense?

When the judge gags a key witness for Trump’s defense - Washington Examiner

The false bookkeeping trial of former President Donald Trump is now in its fourth week.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

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Judge says allowing FEC expert to testify would lead to a "battle of experts" that would confuse jury

Defense witness Robert Costello, a lawyer who advised Michael Cohen, is expected to resume his testimony Tuesday in Donald Trump's New York criminal hush money trial.

www.cnn.com

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Judge Bans Fmr FEC Chairman From Sharing Facts In Trump Trial

A New York judge has strictly limited the information a key witness for Trump’s defense can testify about in court.

thefederalist.com

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Bob Costello, attorney who advised Michael Cohen, testifies for defense in Trump grand jury probe

Bob Costello, an attorney who advised Michael Cohen, said Cohen has a lying mindset after Costello testified before the grand jury probing Stormy Daniels' hush payment.

abcnews.go.com

 

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The only thing the jury learned from the Cohen testimony is the wrong man is on trial.

As I've pointed out before: "We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”


Here is an interesting exchange you might want to ignore: It's about who is actually on trial:


With Susan Hoffinger asking questions, Michael Cohen is again leaning into the notion that he is a victim in all of this.

“Are you actually on trial here in this case?” Hoffinger asks Cohen. “No,” he says. Through her questions, Hoffinger makes an obvious point — that the defense sought to make Cohen look like a criminal. But ultimately, the jurors aren’t here to judge Cohen’s criminality. They are here to judge Trump.

 

[Rogue AI]

As I've pointed out before: "We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”


Here is an interesting exchange you might want to ignore: It's about who is actually on trial:


With Susan Hoffinger asking questions, Michael Cohen is again leaning into the notion that he is a victim in all of this.

“Are you actually on trial here in this case?” Hoffinger asks Cohen. “No,” he says. Through her questions, Hoffinger makes an obvious point — that the defense sought to make Cohen look like a criminal. But ultimately, the jurors aren’t here to judge Cohen’s criminality. They are here to judge Trump.

Good luck with hoping the jury will ignore everything else Cohen said and laser focus on that minutia. You're a funny clown, much more entertaining than the sad or vicious clowns that populate the left these days.

 

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So why would the judge object to Robert Costello and former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith from testifying for the defense?

When the judge gags a key witness for Trump’s defense - Washington Examiner

The false bookkeeping trial of former President Donald Trump is now in its fourth week.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

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Judge says allowing FEC expert to testify would lead to a "battle of experts" that would confuse jury

Defense witness Robert Costello, a lawyer who advised Michael Cohen, is expected to resume his testimony Tuesday in Donald Trump's New York criminal hush money trial.

www.cnn.com

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Judge Bans Fmr FEC Chairman From Sharing Facts In Trump Trial

A New York judge has strictly limited the information a key witness for Trump’s defense can testify about in court.

thefederalist.com

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Bob Costello, attorney who advised Michael Cohen, testifies for defense in Trump grand jury probe

Bob Costello, an attorney who advised Michael Cohen, said Cohen has a lying mindset after Costello testified before the grand jury probing Stormy Daniels' hush payment.

abcnews.go.com

Actually you're wrong on so many points:

Jonah BromwichReporting from inside the courthouse

Again, you just have to marvel at all the jury doesn’t know. They just hear Susan Hoffinger, the prosecutor, entering this into evidence. They don’t know this is why they were left waiting for about half an hour, while lawyers fought it out, and that a man was almost called in from out of state to testify about it.

So to be clear, we will not hear from the C-SPAN witness again. We are continuing with the prosecutors’ re-questioning of Michael Cohen, who is back on the stand. And the photo of Keith Schiller and Trump on Oct. 24, 2016, which is what the lawyers were arguing about, is immediately entered into evidence.

We have no way of knowing for sure whether the defense will call any witnesses, but there are strong indications that Trump’s lawyers are leaning toward calling Robert Costello, the lawyer who once advised Cohen and will likely attack his credibility.

Joshua Steinglass, the prosecutor, says that “we may be able to short circuit” this process after all. Instead, the prosecution and the defense will agree to allow the exhibit in. This is the second time this trial that we have seen the defense, under pressure, agree to let in an exhibit, possibly because they realize that a whole witness appearing just to allow the exhibit in could draw more attention to it.

 

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Good luck with hoping the jury will ignore everything else Cohen said and laser focus on that minutia. You're a funny clown, much more entertaining than the sad or vicious clowns that populate the left these days.

Cohen is not on trial, Trump is and
We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”

regarding: Donald von Shitzinpants
"If the diapers fit, you can't acquit. If the diapers fit, you must convict."

 

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The only way to deal with these morons is push back HARD.

Except your push is not in the courtroom where it could count.

You're out here tapping away on some keyboard on an anonymous interweb message board.

 

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Opinion
Guest Essay
Jeffrey Toobin

"A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen"

Opinion | A Trump Conviction Doesn’t Hang on Michael Cohen

As provocative as the testimony has been, this case may turn on something a great deal more mundane.

www.nytimes.com

Toobin asks "Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records?"

Trump supporters have been attacking Trump's former long time, personal lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen, just as they have attacked Stormy Daniels and other prosecution witnesses -- even attacking the witnesses who are not hostile to Trump, who even showed a like or respect for the man. But as I've said before -- the case against Trump doesn't rise or fall on the testimony of Cohen alone ("We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”)

Trump supporters have been attacking people for discussing the historical trial happening in real time. Attacking people for discussing a criminal trial without precedent in the history of the United States, as somehow being an unhealthy obsession with Trump. As if being focused on a former president being tried in criminal court should somehow not be upper most in discussions around the proverbial water coolers. How desperate, pathetic, and sad that is I'll leave up to others to decide.

I like what Toobin has laid out in his article. While I do not claim him as being the last word on this, his insights and opinions are well informed and well argued.




If the jury is told the in instructions what the case is really about? There will be no not guilty verdict, no hung jury. Only a well reasoned guilty verdict.


quotes from reporters inside the courthouse today:

Emil Bove, a defense lawyer, is suggesting that the prosecutors, in their proposed jury instructions, has shifted their theory of the case. It sounds like he’s talking about the state election law that underlies the felony business records charges against Trump. Justice Merchan doesn’t seem to agree, but in any case, he says, the prosecution’s proposal for jury instructions holds no weight at the moment. It is only a proposal.

“Just relax,” Merchan tells the defense lawyer, as he continues to argue. Nothing, he signals, has been determined yet.

Bove continues to argue. He can tell that the judge is frustrated, but it’s clear that Bove is, too. If he believes that the prosecution changed its theory of the case in these final weeks, it would help to explain why he’s irate. Merchan seems to understand that, as Bove continues to push for more testimony from their proposed expert witness on election law.

Trump folds his arms over his chest as Bove finishes his argument. He then starts whispering to his lawyer as Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, begins to address the court.

Matthew Colangelo, a prosecutor, stands up and fights back. He says that “there’s nothing new at all” about the theory to which the defense is objecting. In short: the charges against Trump are felonies because prosecutors have argued that he falsified business records to conceal another crime. They have signaled that other crime was seeking to promote his own election "by unlawful means," in violation of state election law. That introduces a third potential crime.

So, if you’re keeping score, that’s three potential crimes, all wrapped into each of the 34 felony charges of falsifying business records.

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/05/20/nyregion/trump-trial-hush-money

Interesting day.

Prosecution's case:

"Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records?"

Could be murky, but there it is. It's not about Cohen or his testimony. We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”

 

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So why would the judge object to Robert Costello and former FEC Chairman Bradley Smith from testifying for the defense?

When the judge gags a key witness for Trump’s defense - Washington Examiner

The false bookkeeping trial of former President Donald Trump is now in its fourth week.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

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Judge says allowing FEC expert to testify would lead to a "battle of experts" that would confuse jury

Defense witness Robert Costello, a lawyer who advised Michael Cohen, is expected to resume his testimony Tuesday in Donald Trump's New York criminal hush money trial.

www.cnn.com

**********​

Judge Bans Fmr FEC Chairman From Sharing Facts In Trump Trial

A New York judge has strictly limited the information a key witness for Trump’s defense can testify about in court.

thefederalist.com

**********​

Bob Costello, attorney who advised Michael Cohen, testifies for defense in Trump grand jury probe

Bob Costello, an attorney who advised Michael Cohen, said Cohen has a lying mindset after Costello testified before the grand jury probing Stormy Daniels' hush payment.

abcnews.go.com

Joshua Steinglass, the prosecutor, says that “we may be able to short circuit” this process after all. Instead, the prosecution and the defense will agree to allow the exhibit in. This is the second time this trial that we have seen the defense, under pressure, agree to let in an exhibit, possibly because they realize that a whole witness appearing just to allow the exhibit in could draw more attention to it.

Jonah Bromwich
Reporting from inside the courthouse
The first time this sequence took place, the evidence in question was old Trump tweets. That was 17 days ago.

 

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“Your honor, the people rest,” Joshua Steinglass says. The prosecution's case against Donald Trump has concluded.

 

[Rogue AI]

Cohen is not on trial, Trump is and
We don’t have to rely on just Cohen’s word. We can believe Cohen because of the receipts, the tapes and the hard evidence.”

regarding: Donald von Shitzinpants
"If the diapers fit, you can't acquit. If the diapers fit, you must convict."

More quasi hilarity with no basis in reality. The 'evidence' required a known liar and thief's confirmation. That won't be lost on the jury.

You also forget there are two lawyers on the jury. Do you honestly believe they want to legitimize a completely farcical legal 'theory' they might have to defend against in the future? They have no future in NY if they vote to convict on this silliness.

 

[Rogue AI]

“Your honor, the people rest,” Joshua Steinglass says. The prosecution's case against Donald Trump has concluded.

I can see the smoke from here from that dumpster fire of a 'case'.

 

[Rambunctious]

"Did the former president “cause” the creation of false business records?"

No.... case closed....

 

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“Your honor, the people rest,” Joshua Steinglass says. The prosecution's case against Donald Trump has concluded.

Daniel Sitko is done quickly. The defense calls Robert Costello, and prosecutors immediately ask to approach.

 

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More quasi hilarity with no basis in reality. The 'evidence' required a known liar and thief's confirmation. That won't be lost on the jury.

You also forget there are two lawyers on the jury. Do you honestly believe they want to legitimize a completely farcical legal 'theory' they might have to defend against in the future? They have no future in NY if they vote to convict on this silliness.

You of course have it backwards. Cohen does not confirm the evidence. The evidence confirms Cohen's testimony. You people are serious;ly deluded.

Your narrative on lawyers is special. Special as in special ed, take the short bus.

 

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No.... case closed....

That is what we shall see. Either way, it is only you who would attack the jury if the case goes a certain way.

People like me respect the process. We belong to no cult-of-personality that dictates how e should react.

 

[Rambunctious]

That is what we shall see. Either way, it is only you who would attack the jury if the case goes a certain way.

People like me respect the process. We belong to no cult-of-personality that dictates how e should react.

Its a jury from arguably the most liberal anti Trump place on earth... and still I think Trump will get a not guilty verdict....

 

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Its a jury from arguably the most liberal anti Trump place on earth... and still I think Trump will get a not guilty verdict....

You actually have little faith in Americans and the systems that hold America together. Why not renounce citizenship and move to Russia?

 

[Rogue AI]

You of course have it backwards. Cohen does not confirm the evidence. The evidence confirms Cohen's testimony. You people are serious;ly deluded.

Your narrative on lawyers is special. Special as in special ed, take the short bus.

The legitimacy of the evidence is determined by whether the jury believes Cohen. Good luck with that.

If you really think lawyers don't talk to one another you are beyond naive or help.

Charging felonies over expired potential misdemeanors on the basis of uncharged mystery crimes is such a government overreach everyone sane person should have deep reservations. If you honestly think the legal community isn't looking at that, you are a bigger fool than you appear.

 

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The legitimacy of the evidence is determined by whether the jury believes Cohen. Good luck with that.

If you really think lawyers don't talk to one another you are beyond naive or help.

Charging felonies over expired potential misdemeanors on the basis of uncharged mystery crimes is such a government overreach everyone sane person should have deep reservations. If you honestly think the legal community isn't looking at that, you are a bigger fool than you appear.

inside the courthouse:
Justice Merchan returns and tells Emil Bove, the defense lawyer, that he will give him some latitude to explore the pressure campaign that Michael Cohen said Robert Costello waged during the summer of 2018. But Merchan adds: “I’m not going to allow this to become a trial within the trial” of Michael Cohen. It sounds as if Costello will be sworn in momentarily.


“The defense calls Robert Costello.”