Shusha
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Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
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Who decides who is Jewish?
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And like it or not that complicates the picture and noting that is not applying a different standard.
It complicates the picture not at all. The STANDARD in the world is that ethnic and cultural groups have established national entities (States) based on that ethnic or cultural group.
YOU are trying to "complicate" the picture by introducing "what-ifs" to Israel that you do not introduce elsewhere.
You posed the question:Would it and could it it truly be equal in a nation that has defined itself as a Jewish homeland ...
Since "Jewish" is an ethnicity (confirmed by you) the parallels are:
...an Irish homeland.
...a Cherokee homeland
...a Catalan homeland
...a Kurdish homeland
...an Indian homeland
...a Jordanian homeland
as in: Would it and could it be truly equal in a nation that has defined itself as a (insert from list above) homeland? Example: Would it and could it be truly equal in a nation that has defined itself as an Irish homeland.
The STANDARD is, obviously, yes.
Just because she said it doesn't mean she means it.New Muslim congresswomen favor eliminating Israel
I am so happy they stated that is the long term Goal. For that reason alone Israel will never give up any more territory or allow " Right of Return"
Is Israel a secular state?
The impression I get on forced transfers is based on what you said here:
New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews
Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
the two state solution is becoming increasingly untenable and if a two state solution involves less than full autonomy...
Mother defines Your belonging to Israel, father the tribe.Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
I always thought it was through lineage, myself, specifically the Mother's.
Am I wrong in that?
Saying it is just a choice people make plays into the hands of antisemites who make similar claims in order to delegitimize Jewish ethnicity. Many such have made claims in this forum that Jews are just European interlopers, and as such, have no claim to the land.
Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
Mother defines Your belonging to Israel, father the tribe.Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
I always thought it was through lineage, myself, specifically the Mother's.
Am I wrong in that?
Saying it is just a choice people make plays into the hands of antisemites who make similar claims in order to delegitimize Jewish ethnicity. Many such have made claims in this forum that Jews are just European interlopers, and as such, have no claim to the land.
Did I say there was? No. There is no such standard. But the more religious a state is the less tolerance there is for other religions and the harder it is to maintain democratic ideals.Is Israel a secular state?
Is there a global requirement (STANDARD) for States to be secular?
Again, the very fact that you question this is problematic.
The impression I get on forced transfers is based on what you said here:
New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews
Yeah. Thanks. There is nothing in that posts which suggests that I support forced transfers. In fact, I explicitly said "not acceptable."
More proof that you are misrepresenting me.
Name one religious state with true equality.
A lot of states have a “state religion” but secular governments. Most Western Christian states fall in that category.Lot's of Christian states mostly free, lot's of Muslim states mostly tyrannical and backwards,
Israel is merely on the same level of democracy index as non-religious USA, and by far one of the most developed and diverse.
State religion - Wikipedia
.Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
I always thought it was through lineage, myself, specifically the Mother's.
Am I wrong in that?
Saying it is just a choice people make plays into the hands of antisemites who make similar claims in order to delegitimize Jewish ethnicity. Many such have made claims in this forum that Jews are just European interlopers, and as such, have no claim to the land.
.Who decides who is Jewish?
The STANDARD, worldwide is: 1. Self-identification. 2. Acceptance within the group.
The very fact that you (as an outsider) are questioning this is problematic.
I always thought it was through lineage, myself, specifically the Mother's.
Am I wrong in that?
Saying it is just a choice people make plays into the hands of antisemites who make similar claims in order to delegitimize Jewish ethnicity. Many such have made claims in this forum that Jews are just European interlopers, and as such, have no claim to the land.
The STANDARD, worldwide, is self-identification and acceptance. Its a personal process and a group process and not subject to the opinions of others.
The Jewish process of self-identification and acceptances tends towards maternal lineage, but not exclusively so. Methods of inclusion in a group is solely up to the group in question to determine -- any method of inclusion is acceptable (maternal lineage, paternal lineage, marriage, adoption, etc), but only the group gets to determine what their inclusion methods are.
Did I say there was? No. There is no such standard.
Just because she said it doesn't mean she means it.New Muslim congresswomen favor eliminating Israel
I am so happy they stated that is the long term Goal. For that reason alone Israel will never give up any more territory or allow " Right of Return"
We can trust her. Mkay?
Name one religious state with true equality.
Nice dodge.
Again, the STANDARD, globally, is to build national movements around ethnic or cultural groups. The very fact that you question this by conflating Jewish ethnicity and national liberation with religion is problematic.
And, to answer your question: ISRAEL