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I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
YUUUUP that is what team Palestine cant get their heads round. Which is why I keep asking them if they also want to be given the same rights as America and are also allowed to vote in American elections. Not one of them has got the joke yet.
I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
Then they should be under the jurisdiction of that authority...but...they aren't.
I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
Then they should be under the jurisdiction of that authority...but...they aren't.
I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
YUUUUP that is what team Palestine cant get their heads round. Which is why I keep asking them if they also want to be given the same rights as America and are also allowed to vote in American elections. Not one of them has got the joke yet.
In the Occupied Territories - who has jurisdiction? The Palestinians? Can the PA shoot Israeli stone throwers?
(COMMENT)It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.
But of course they are. They're "proud" "independent" palistanian liars, when it comes to flags and UNs, and "poor 'n robbed" liars, when it comes to living up to the former, of course. Pathological liars, indeed.Then they should be under the jurisdiction of that authority...but...they aren't.I don't get the logic behind demanding Israel to treat PA citizens equal to Israeli. Are not the palestinians citizens/nationals/loayals of a different authority?
There are no occupied territories outside of the palistanian occupation. Israeli responsibility for the brat ended in 1995, of course. Rabin and Arafat signed the Oslo II agreement that year. It provided for withdrawal from the cities in judea & samaria, with 98% of palistanians assholes, Shechem, Jenin, Qalqilya, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Tulkarm, Jericho and almost all of Hebron, of course.In the Occupied Territories - who has jurisdiction?
So, when are the allegedly "civilized people" stopping their preferential treatment of palistanians?Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Living there, of course! Funny, eh?Well...that's a new one. Kind of justifies the question often asked of the Jewish settlers...."what are they doing there in the first place"?What was that pathetic convoy doing there in the first place? They could've picked another venue for their palistan-arse kissing excercise, of course, dumbass State provocateurs.As do the latter: Settlers throw stones at U.S. consulate convoy in West Bank - Diplomacy and DefenseThrowing rocks is an inherent part of the palistanian settler occupation, not so much so with jews, of course. The former hurl rocks at cats, dogs, folks, buses, trains, etc..Wonder if it will apply to Israeli settler stone throwers. They have yet to shoot one.
You seem to think that justifies stone throwing and violence...maybe it does Is that what you are saying?
Stoning civilians and kids who are not doing anything wrong is not self defense.[/QUOTE]It's the palistanian occupation, indeed.Self-defence, that is. If the jewish communities used firearms, it would give palistanians more incentive to look for another occupation, of course. Unfortunately, the israeli guvmint is too lenient on palistanians and too harsh on jews.
Jewish self-defence and palistanian settler aggression ain't the same thang, of course.No one shoots them for it however. Maybe that will change now. Or not.
Coyote, et al,
I think it might be necessary to reassess your assumption that the "supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all."
(COMMENT)It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.
At every dispute ---- the Arab Palestinian has stated and insisted that the Geneva Convention be applied. And at the direction UN Security Council, the Geneva Convention must be applies. Thus, Article 68 comes into play for the Arab Palestinians.
However, the Geneva Convention does not cover Israeli civilians and settlers that equally arrived under the jurisdiction of the Oslo Accords. Thus Israel Law applies to them.
The concept of "equal protection" (on the international level) is derived from Article 7 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). It presupposes that the legal venue is the same (which it is not). The UDHR (which is non-binding) has actually been supplanted by two other compacts.
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) which when entry into force 3 January 1976
• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which came into force 23 March 1976
And while Article 14(1) of the CCPR extends a similar right, it is not exactly been excepted universally by all nations, and is limited to particular individual court or tribunal. Clearly, (as an example) adultery is treated separately and difference in various countries and according to gender --- and dependent on if it is treated as a crime or civil matter. Sharia Law is vastly different from Western Laws --- varying most drastically on special issues in terms of social morals and modesty.
So NO! While a Westerner may take for granted that the concept of "equal protection" under the law is customary; it is in fact --- not.
Most Respectfully,
R
Living there, of course! Funny, eh?Well...that's a new one. Kind of justifies the question often asked of the Jewish settlers...."what are they doing there in the first place"?What was that pathetic convoy doing there in the first place? They could've picked another venue for their palistan-arse kissing excercise, of course, dumbass State provocateurs.As do the latter: Settlers throw stones at U.S. consulate convoy in West Bank - Diplomacy and DefenseThrowing rocks is an inherent part of the palistanian settler occupation, not so much so with jews, of course. The former hurl rocks at cats, dogs, folks, buses, trains, etc..Wonder if it will apply to Israeli settler stone throwers. They have yet to shoot one.
Self-defence, that is. If the jewish communities used firearms, it would give palistanians more incentive to look for another occupation, of course. Unfortunately, the israeli guvmint is too lenient on palistanians and too harsh on jews.
It's the palistanian occupation, indeed.
There are no occupied territories outside of the palistanian occupation. Israeli responsibility for the brat ended in 1995, of course. Rabin and Arafat signed the Oslo II agreement that year. It provided for withdrawal from the cities in judea & samaria, with 98% of palistanians assholes, Shechem, Jenin, Qalqilya, Ramallah, Bethlehem, Tulkarm, Jericho and almost all of Hebron, of course.In the Occupied Territories - who has jurisdiction?
Yupp, the haaretz rag and its moral equivalence drivel, of course.Coyote, et al,
I think it might be necessary to reassess your assumption that the "supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all."
(COMMENT)It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.
At every dispute ---- the Arab Palestinian has stated and insisted that the Geneva Convention be applied. And at the direction UN Security Council, the Geneva Convention must be applies. Thus, Article 68 comes into play for the Arab Palestinians.
However, the Geneva Convention does not cover Israeli civilians and settlers that equally arrived under the jurisdiction of the Oslo Accords. Thus Israel Law applies to them.
The concept of "equal protection" (on the international level) is derived from Article 7 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). It presupposes that the legal venue is the same (which it is not). The UDHR (which is non-binding) has actually been supplanted by two other compacts.
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) which when entry into force 3 January 1976
• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which came into force 23 March 1976
And while Article 14(1) of the CCPR extends a similar right, it is not exactly been excepted universally by all nations, and is limited to particular individual court or tribunal. Clearly, (as an example) adultery is treated separately and difference in various countries and according to gender --- and dependent on if it is treated as a crime or civil matter. Sharia Law is vastly different from Western Laws --- varying most drastically on special issues in terms of social morals and modesty.
So NO! While a Westerner may take for granted that the concept of "equal protection" under the law is customary; it is in fact --- not.
Most Respectfully,
R
So what law are they applying on Palestinian stone throwers? This is an Israeli law being applied - should it be applied differently to different people in the same territory?
ttp://www.haaretz.com/blogs/routine-emergencies/.premium-1.676564
But before Israelis pat their government on the back for taking such steps to deter future incidents, they should pause and ask themselves whether they are ready to declare all stone throwers - or, as the prime minister would put it - attempted murderers - equal.
The consequences of government endorsement of deadly force against all throwers of rocks, bottles and explosives and making it the law of the land will technically apply to Arab and Jew alike.
And let’s not fool ourselves - Jews are no strangers to rock-throwing.
Recent examples of Israelis using stones as weapons against Palestinians are numerous, especially, but not exclusively in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Residents of East Jerusalem have thrown stones at the neighboring Palestinian refugee camp, Shuafat. Just last January, settlers threw stones at an American convoy containing diplomats who came to examine complaints that settlers destroyed Palestinian-owned olive groves. And Palestinian complaints of stone-throwing and firebombing as harassment methods happens again and again.
And then there is the frequent use of stone-throwing in situations utterly unrelated to the Palestinian conflict. Protesting crowds of ultra-Orthodox Jews have thrown stones while decrying everything from army recruitment, to archaeological digs, to Shabbat desecration, to members of their community being arrested for tax evasion. Stones have also been hurled at the cars of secular and national religious women deemed to be inappropriately dressed in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.
And can we really forget so quickly that it was just last April, that angry Ethiopian youth stood in the streets hurling stones, bottles, and firebombs at storefronts and police in the heart of Tel Aviv.
Would anyone advocating using live fire against them?
Nearly all leading politicians prefer to ignore this reality when they advocate for increasingly harsh measures against stone-throwing, certain that they should, and will, only be applied to Palestinians. But once upon a time it was thought inconceivable that administrative detention measures designed to apply to Palestinians would be taken against Jews - and today it is a reality.
Yupp, the haaretz rag and its moral equivalence drivel, of course.Coyote, et al,
I think it might be necessary to reassess your assumption that the "supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all."
(COMMENT)It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.
At every dispute ---- the Arab Palestinian has stated and insisted that the Geneva Convention be applied. And at the direction UN Security Council, the Geneva Convention must be applies. Thus, Article 68 comes into play for the Arab Palestinians.
However, the Geneva Convention does not cover Israeli civilians and settlers that equally arrived under the jurisdiction of the Oslo Accords. Thus Israel Law applies to them.
The concept of "equal protection" (on the international level) is derived from Article 7 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). It presupposes that the legal venue is the same (which it is not). The UDHR (which is non-binding) has actually been supplanted by two other compacts.
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) which when entry into force 3 January 1976
• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which came into force 23 March 1976
And while Article 14(1) of the CCPR extends a similar right, it is not exactly been excepted universally by all nations, and is limited to particular individual court or tribunal. Clearly, (as an example) adultery is treated separately and difference in various countries and according to gender --- and dependent on if it is treated as a crime or civil matter. Sharia Law is vastly different from Western Laws --- varying most drastically on special issues in terms of social morals and modesty.
So NO! While a Westerner may take for granted that the concept of "equal protection" under the law is customary; it is in fact --- not.
Most Respectfully,
R
So what law are they applying on Palestinian stone throwers? This is an Israeli law being applied - should it be applied differently to different people in the same territory?
ttp://www.haaretz.com/blogs/routine-emergencies/.premium-1.676564
But before Israelis pat their government on the back for taking such steps to deter future incidents, they should pause and ask themselves whether they are ready to declare all stone throwers - or, as the prime minister would put it - attempted murderers - equal.
The consequences of government endorsement of deadly force against all throwers of rocks, bottles and explosives and making it the law of the land will technically apply to Arab and Jew alike.
And let’s not fool ourselves - Jews are no strangers to rock-throwing.
Recent examples of Israelis using stones as weapons against Palestinians are numerous, especially, but not exclusively in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Residents of East Jerusalem have thrown stones at the neighboring Palestinian refugee camp, Shuafat. Just last January, settlers threw stones at an American convoy containing diplomats who came to examine complaints that settlers destroyed Palestinian-owned olive groves. And Palestinian complaints of stone-throwing and firebombing as harassment methods happens again and again.
And then there is the frequent use of stone-throwing in situations utterly unrelated to the Palestinian conflict. Protesting crowds of ultra-Orthodox Jews have thrown stones while decrying everything from army recruitment, to archaeological digs, to Shabbat desecration, to members of their community being arrested for tax evasion. Stones have also been hurled at the cars of secular and national religious women deemed to be inappropriately dressed in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.
And can we really forget so quickly that it was just last April, that angry Ethiopian youth stood in the streets hurling stones, bottles, and firebombs at storefronts and police in the heart of Tel Aviv.
Would anyone advocating using live fire against them?
Nearly all leading politicians prefer to ignore this reality when they advocate for increasingly harsh measures against stone-throwing, certain that they should, and will, only be applied to Palestinians. But once upon a time it was thought inconceivable that administrative detention measures designed to apply to Palestinians would be taken against Jews - and today it is a reality.
But of course, it's a palistanian occupation.Living there, of course! Funny, eh?Well...that's a new one. Kind of justifies the question often asked of the Jewish settlers...."what are they doing there in the first place"?What was that pathetic convoy doing there in the first place? They could've picked another venue for their palistan-arse kissing excercise, of course, dumbass State provocateurs.As do the latter: Settlers throw stones at U.S. consulate convoy in West Bank - Diplomacy and DefenseThrowing rocks is an inherent part of the palistanian settler occupation, not so much so with jews, of course. The former hurl rocks at cats, dogs, folks, buses, trains, etc..
Amazing...just like Palestinians...who'd've guessed, small world
Self-defence, that is. If the jewish communities used firearms, it would give palistanians more incentive to look for another occupation, of course. Unfortunately, the israeli guvmint is too lenient on palistanians and too harsh on jews.
There is no Palestinian occupation, but you are certainly free to believe whatever myth you wish to defend your actionsIt's the palistanian occupation, indeed.
(COMMENT)Coyote, et al,
I think it might be necessary to reassess your assumption that the "supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all."
(COMMENT)It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.
At every dispute ---- the Arab Palestinian has stated and insisted that the Geneva Convention be applied. And at the direction UN Security Council, the Geneva Convention must be applies. Thus, Article 68 comes into play for the Arab Palestinians.
However, the Geneva Convention does not cover Israeli civilians and settlers that equally arrived under the jurisdiction of the Oslo Accords. Thus Israel Law applies to them.
The concept of "equal protection" (on the international level) is derived from Article 7 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). It presupposes that the legal venue is the same (which it is not). The UDHR (which is non-binding) has actually been supplanted by two other compacts.
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) which when entry into force 3 January 1976
• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which came into force 23 March 1976
And while Article 14(1) of the CCPR extends a similar right, it is not exactly been excepted universally by all nations, and is limited to particular individual court or tribunal. Clearly, (as an example) adultery is treated separately and difference in various countries and according to gender --- and dependent on if it is treated as a crime or civil matter. Sharia Law is vastly different from Western Laws --- varying most drastically on special issues in terms of social morals and modesty.
So NO! While a Westerner may take for granted that the concept of "equal protection" under the law is customary; it is in fact --- not.
Most Respectfully,
R
So what law are they applying on Palestinian stone throwers? This is an Israeli law being applied - should it be applied differently to different people in the same territory?
ttp://www.haaretz.com/blogs/routine-emergencies/.premium-1.676564
But before Israelis pat their government on the back for taking such steps to deter future incidents, they should pause and ask themselves whether they are ready to declare all stone throwers - or, as the prime minister would put it - attempted murderers - equal.
The consequences of government endorsement of deadly force against all throwers of rocks, bottles and explosives and making it the law of the land will technically apply to Arab and Jew alike.
And let’s not fool ourselves - Jews are no strangers to rock-throwing.
Recent examples of Israelis using stones as weapons against Palestinians are numerous, especially, but not exclusively in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Residents of East Jerusalem have thrown stones at the neighboring Palestinian refugee camp, Shuafat. Just last January, settlers threw stones at an American convoy containing diplomats who came to examine complaints that settlers destroyed Palestinian-owned olive groves. And Palestinian complaints of stone-throwing and firebombing as harassment methods happens again and again.
And then there is the frequent use of stone-throwing in situations utterly unrelated to the Palestinian conflict. Protesting crowds of ultra-Orthodox Jews have thrown stones while decrying everything from army recruitment, to archaeological digs, to Shabbat desecration, to members of their community being arrested for tax evasion. Stones have also been hurled at the cars of secular and national religious women deemed to be inappropriately dressed in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.
And can we really forget so quickly that it was just last April, that angry Ethiopian youth stood in the streets hurling stones, bottles, and firebombs at storefronts and police in the heart of Tel Aviv.
Would anyone advocating using live fire against them?
Nearly all leading politicians prefer to ignore this reality when they advocate for increasingly harsh measures against stone-throwing, certain that they should, and will, only be applied to Palestinians. But once upon a time it was thought inconceivable that administrative detention measures designed to apply to Palestinians would be taken against Jews - and today it is a reality.
Coyote, et al,
I think it might be necessary to reassess your assumption that the "supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all."
(COMMENT)It's a single standard being applied, of course, and palistanians don't like it. Doooh.
Nope. It's two different standards applied to residents of the same territory for the same crime where supposedly the same law is supposed to govern them all. What you call "liberal-limo", civilized people call equal treatment under the law.
At every dispute ---- the Arab Palestinian has stated and insisted that the Geneva Convention be applied. And at the direction UN Security Council, the Geneva Convention must be applies. Thus, Article 68 comes into play for the Arab Palestinians.
However, the Geneva Convention does not cover Israeli civilians and settlers that equally arrived under the jurisdiction of the Oslo Accords. Thus Israel Law applies to them.
The concept of "equal protection" (on the international level) is derived from Article 7 of the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights (UDHR). It presupposes that the legal venue is the same (which it is not). The UDHR (which is non-binding) has actually been supplanted by two other compacts.
• International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (CESCR) which when entry into force 3 January 1976
• International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (CCPR), which came into force 23 March 1976
And while Article 14(1) of the CCPR extends a similar right, it is not exactly been excepted universally by all nations, and is limited to particular individual court or tribunal. Clearly, (as an example) adultery is treated separately and difference in various countries and according to gender --- and dependent on if it is treated as a crime or civil matter. Sharia Law is vastly different from Western Laws --- varying most drastically on special issues in terms of social morals and modesty.
So NO! While a Westerner may take for granted that the concept of "equal protection" under the law is customary; it is in fact --- not.
Most Respectfully,
R
So what law are they applying on Palestinian stone throwers? This is an Israeli law being applied - should it be applied differently to different people in the same territory?
ttp://www.haaretz.com/blogs/routine-emergencies/.premium-1.676564
But before Israelis pat their government on the back for taking such steps to deter future incidents, they should pause and ask themselves whether they are ready to declare all stone throwers - or, as the prime minister would put it - attempted murderers - equal.
The consequences of government endorsement of deadly force against all throwers of rocks, bottles and explosives and making it the law of the land will technically apply to Arab and Jew alike.
And let’s not fool ourselves - Jews are no strangers to rock-throwing.
Recent examples of Israelis using stones as weapons against Palestinians are numerous, especially, but not exclusively in Jerusalem and the West Bank. Residents of East Jerusalem have thrown stones at the neighboring Palestinian refugee camp, Shuafat. Just last January, settlers threw stones at an American convoy containing diplomats who came to examine complaints that settlers destroyed Palestinian-owned olive groves. And Palestinian complaints of stone-throwing and firebombing as harassment methods happens again and again.
And then there is the frequent use of stone-throwing in situations utterly unrelated to the Palestinian conflict. Protesting crowds of ultra-Orthodox Jews have thrown stones while decrying everything from army recruitment, to archaeological digs, to Shabbat desecration, to members of their community being arrested for tax evasion. Stones have also been hurled at the cars of secular and national religious women deemed to be inappropriately dressed in ultra-Orthodox neighborhoods.
And can we really forget so quickly that it was just last April, that angry Ethiopian youth stood in the streets hurling stones, bottles, and firebombs at storefronts and police in the heart of Tel Aviv.
Would anyone advocating using live fire against them?
Nearly all leading politicians prefer to ignore this reality when they advocate for increasingly harsh measures against stone-throwing, certain that they should, and will, only be applied to Palestinians. But once upon a time it was thought inconceivable that administrative detention measures designed to apply to Palestinians would be taken against Jews - and today it is a reality.