New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

[Penelope]

Your grasp of the history of the semitic tribes is minimal.

So where did the Palestinians come from?

How many Judeans came back from Babylon??

 

[Karl Rand]

Your grasp of the history of the semitic tribes is minimal.

So where did the Palestinians come from?

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

How many Judeans came back from Babylon??

We don’t know. In fact the actual myth of the garden of Eden originates in Mesopotamia before the Judeans were supposed to have arrived there. Nothing about this period is absolutely certain and sure as hell you won’t learn the truth from the Tora.

 

[Penelope]

Your grasp of the history of the semitic tribes is minimal.

So where did the Palestinians come from?

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

How many Judeans came back from Babylon??

;;We don’t know. In fact the actual myth of the garden of Eden originates in Mesopotamia before the Judeans were supposed to have arrived there. Nothing about this period is absolutely certain and sure as hell you won’t learn the truth from the Tora.

After the Babylonian Exile

and

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish, and never left the surrounding area, because they have more generational ties to the land than the jews. Also they are Semites. Also the main language in the first century in the area was Aramaic. All three religions had control of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas for a long time, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

 

[Karl Rand]

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish,

, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

Maybe I’m misreading this but you appear to be contradicting yourself.

Are all Palestinians Muslim? | IMEU

 

[Penelope]

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish,

, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

Maybe I’m misreading this but you appear to be contradicting yourself.

How so? I said the Palestinians are the ancient people living in the area of which is now called Israel and Gaza and the west bank. Arabs.

 

[rylah]

Your grasp of the history of the semitic tribes is minimal.

So where did the Palestinians come from?

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

How many Judeans came back from Babylon??

;;We don’t know. In fact the actual myth of the garden of Eden originates in Mesopotamia before the Judeans were supposed to have arrived there. Nothing about this period is absolutely certain and sure as hell you won’t learn the truth from the Tora.

After the Babylonian Exile

and

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish, and never left the surrounding area, because they have more generational ties to the land than the jews. Also they are Semites. Also the main language in the first century in the area was Aramaic. All three religions had control of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas for a long time, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

Do You really believe this nonsense?
They spoke much more foreign languages than Palestinian Jews, and came to the land from a much wider variety of countries, Muslims and Christians were no less immigrants.

 

[rylah]

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish,

, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

Maybe I’m misreading this but you appear to be contradicting yourself.

How so? I said the Palestinians are the ancient people living in the area of which is now called Israel and Gaza and the west bank. Arabs.

Not true.
Palestinian charter clearly says they're recent Muslim invaders of the Caliphate.

 

[Penelope]

Your grasp of the history of the semitic tribes is minimal.

So where did the Palestinians come from?

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

How many Judeans came back from Babylon??

;;We don’t know. In fact the actual myth of the garden of Eden originates in Mesopotamia before the Judeans were supposed to have arrived there. Nothing about this period is absolutely certain and sure as hell you won’t learn the truth from the Tora.

After the Babylonian Exile

and

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish, and never left the surrounding area, because they have more generational ties to the land than the jews. Also they are Semites. Also the main language in the first century in the area was Aramaic. All three religions had control of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas for a long time, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

Do You really believe this nonsense?
They spoke much more foreign languages than Palestinian Jews, and came to the land from a much wider variety of countries, Muslims and Christians were no less immigrants.

Actually I do, can you list the countries the Palestinians are from???

 

[rylah]

Your grasp of the history of the semitic tribes is minimal.

So where did the Palestinians come from?

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

How many Judeans came back from Babylon??

;;We don’t know. In fact the actual myth of the garden of Eden originates in Mesopotamia before the Judeans were supposed to have arrived there. Nothing about this period is absolutely certain and sure as hell you won’t learn the truth from the Tora.

After the Babylonian Exile

and

Your presumption the ‘Palestinians’ constituted a single homogenous group is mistaken,

Which is why the Palestinians are Muslim, Christian and Jewish, and never left the surrounding area, because they have more generational ties to the land than the jews. Also they are Semites. Also the main language in the first century in the area was Aramaic. All three religions had control of Jerusalem and the surrounding areas for a long time, ending with the Ottoman Empire which is why most Palestinians are Muslim.

Do You really believe this nonsense?
They spoke much more foreign languages than Palestinian Jews, and came to the land from a much wider variety of countries, Muslims and Christians were no less immigrants.

Actually I do, can you list the countries the Palestinians are from???

Look at the list of languages just among the Muslims in 1931:
Afghan
Albanian
Arabic
Bosnian
Chinese
Circassian
English
French
German
Greek
Gypsy
Hebrew
Hindustani
Indian dialects
Javanese
Kurdish
Persian
Portuguese
Russian
Spanish
Sudanese
Takrurian
Turkish

Q.Now tell me why is a Muslim from Germany considered "ancient Palestinian"
but dare a Jew speak German and he's a "foreigner'?

 

[Olde Europe]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

That's certainly interesting, but not much of a surprise. It's often been stated that the religious are more suspicious and more intolerant of the Other, and it's also been reported before that other genocides are being belittled and hardly talked about in Israel, as (allegedly) these were seen as distracting from the Holocaust.

The real question, as far as I can see, is whether it's actually so stark a difference in attitudes towards the Other, or whether the religious types (and not just in Israel) are "merely" more emboldened to express racist attitudes that both sides actually hold at an about equal rate.

But then, the thread-hijacking is already underway...

 

[rylah]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

That's certainly interesting, but not much of a surprise. It's often been stated that the religious are more suspicious and more intolerant of the Other, and it's also been reported before that other genocides are being belittled and hardly talked about in Israel, as (allegedly) these were seen as distracting from the Holocaust.

The real question, as far as I can see, is whether it's actually so stark a difference in attitudes towards the Other, or whether the religious types (and not just in Israel) are "merely" more emboldened to express racist attitudes that both sides actually hold at an about equal rate.

But then, the thread-hijacking is already underway...

You are trying to equate lack of knowledge with overt participation.

In the meantime the country where race is most often brought into mainstream politics,
and daily conversations is the US.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Asking Jews about their attitudes towards Arabs is like asking black people about their attitudes towards the kkk. With extreme levels of antisemitism occurring in over 90% of Arabs, it's pretty stupid to expect Jews to love them.

This is just a thread by a well known antisemite attempting once again to shift blame to Jews, this time for actually objecting to their own persecution.

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Yes, Jews did almost get wiped off the planet in one of the most horrific crimes ever committed by any government or people. But, I’m getting a little tired of the holocaust being used as a blank cheque upon which to write any Israeli crime against other peoples with imagined impunity.

The crime of firing back when genocidal antisemites try to murder any Jew they can murder, you mean?

 

[Coyote]

this is new....Jews have issues with Arabs.....huh.....who woulda thought.

haaaa ....too funny

i mean

it is funny ...yes?

of course it it is

like jews will never have issues with Arabs

fun fun fun ....what else can you say

Well...you could actually READ the article and comment intelligently on it? Because based on your response I doubt you read it.

 

[Coyote]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

You will find most of them don't give a rip about other people. In the poll:

Over half of respondents said they agreed to some extent with the statement: “Most Jews are better than most non-Jews because they were born Jews.” (me-sick)

That is why they made WWII all about the holocaust and made money from the dead jews.

Someone commented about Rome, well according to history and the Bible, the diaspora started in about 500 bc and most never came back from Babylon.

The Palestinians are the left over Judeans of old, the real jews of old, who never left. The others are remanufactured, they had to relearn Hebrew and jewish culture.

Why do you think the Hasidic in NY and Israel wear Russian/German clothing and speak Yiddish.

I strongly disagree with that. If they dont get give a rip about other people why do they spend so much time and resources on providing quality medical care to refugees and people who's main is to kill them. You also ignore the correlation with level of religiosity. The same insular attitudes are found among Christians and Muslims and usually with greater degrees of violence associated with them.

 

[Meathead]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

Earth-shaken shit. Next thing you know is someone will take a poll of Arabs and find they have a negative view of Jews.

Whowoodathunk?!

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Next thing you know is someone will take a poll of Arabs and find they have a negative view of Jews.

Whowoodathunk?!

They have and it runs close to 99%. She has an agenda, though, and that agenda involves false equivalences, so despite the vastly greater degree of tolerance Jews show Muslims than the other way around, she persists with that dishonest agenda.

It's what she does.

 

[Coyote]

Very interesting article, the poll was done to parallel another poll done on anti-semitism in Europe. Interestingly, but not unsurprising (as it is similar in many societies) the more secular, the more tolerant.

New poll shows strong anti-Arab sentiment among Israeli Jews

Channel 10 said they commission the poll from the IDI to “examine how racism, which underpins anti-Semitism, is being expressed by the Jewish Israeli public.

Th TV station said it recycled some of the questions asked in the CNN poll to uncover the Jewish attitudes of living with “the other.”

Channel 10 noted that one of the main topics in the CNN survey concerned the Holocaust, saying that it’s generally assumed that studying the genocide of European Jewry makes a person aware of consequences of racism and are less likely to be anti-Semitism. So in its poll, the TV station said it wanted to learn “what do the Jews, who demand world remember the Holocaust, know about the annihilation of other peoples?”

The results showed that an overwhelming majority of Israeli Jews — between 70-80% — said they knew “very little” or “nothing at all” about the Armenian, Cambodian or Rwandan genocides.

That's certainly interesting, but not much of a surprise. It's often been stated that the religious are more suspicious and more intolerant of the Other, and it's also been reported before that other genocides are being belittled and hardly talked about in Israel, as (allegedly) these were seen as distracting from the Holocaust.

The real question, as far as I can see, is whether it's actually so stark a difference in attitudes towards the Other, or whether the religious types (and not just in Israel) are "merely" more emboldened to express racist attitudes that both sides actually hold at an about equal rate.

But then, the thread-hijacking is already underway...

Interesting points. The more conservative a religious faction, the less tolerant of The Other, whether Jewish, Christian or Muslim. In regards to the role of women, of religion being part law, and tolerance of The Other they are more alike each other than their more secular or liberal counterparts within their own faith.

What is also interesting is that these attitudes are not related to conflict at least going by the poll questions but have become culturally ingrained in much the same way antisemitic attitudes are endemic among Muslims.

But it seems taboo to discuss attitudes discrimmination by Jews in Israel. They are no different than any other group of people in that regard. But then...look at responses. They run from complete justification and support for Israeli Jewish bias to complete justificstion for antisemitism, anti Jewish conspiracy theory and even Holocaust denial

Part of the problemthough with these bias' is their proponents often seem to have outsized political influence and that leads to real discriminstion in Israeli society.

 

[rylah]

What is also interesting is that these attitudes are not related to conflict at least going by the poll questions but have become culturally ingrained in much the same way antisemitic attitudes are endemic among Muslims.

and that leads to real discriminstion in Israeli society.

Do You even realize how ridiculous this sounds.
This is like claiming that once we take sexual assault from the equation, the hate of the rapist and the fear of the victim are equivalent.

 

[Shusha]

This thread is merely an attempt to minimize anti-semitism and reduce it to the same sort of discrimination and othering that is common everywhere in the world and in all societies. It is not anti-semitism has unique features and a unique ability to pass from culture to culture and exist through millennia.

There is no equivalence in the relationship between Europeans and their Jews, which has been absent any sort of conflict or animosity for centuries and the relationship between Jews and their Arab neighbors which is defined by the conflict. The former is an unreasonable hatred and hostility; the latter is a response to a very real threat.

And of course it has to do with the conflict. Don't be ridiculous. You can't just remove the conflict from the game and pretend it doesn't influence people. Once you've heard comments like, "rip the hearts out of the apes and pigs Jews", you just can't unhear them. Not through the lens of thousands of years of persecution and genocide.