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Giving the US any money, won't benefit Mexico at all and they would be fools to do so. With a GDP of only about 5% of US GDP and having only a small fraction of the wealth it would be insane.Your reply was moot. All that matters is what he'll do once he's in power. There is much to be done all right, but it won't benefit Mexico too much to pay us back for the Trillions$$$$$$ they've stolen from us for 70 years.You have no idea what he will do because he hasn't taken office. He's just like your boy, Trump. He insults and threatens and a week later he plays nice saying, "I look very much forward to working with him (Trump). There is much to be done that will benefit both the United States and Mexico!"
BTW, I read just fine. I was issuing a reply to an incorrect statement.
They need to do much more than that. They need to stop the Mexican imperialism upon the US, fomented by the Mexican congress and former Mexican presidents, going back to the 1940's. That is an absolute necessity as a beginning. Then, much more to compensate.Giving the US any money, won't benefit Mexico at all and they would be fools to do so. With a GDP of only about 5% of US GDP and having only a small fraction of the wealth it would be insane.
The one thing Mexico could do that would benefit both countries is clamping down on the migration of Central Americans to Mexico.
What do you mean by Mexican Imperialism?They need to do much more than that. They need to stop the Mexican imperialism upon the US, fomented by the Mexican congress and former Mexican presidents, going back to the 1940's. That is an absolute necessity as a beginning. Then, much more to compensate.Giving the US any money, won't benefit Mexico at all and they would be fools to do so. With a GDP of only about 5% of US GDP and having only a small fraction of the wealth it would be insane.
The one thing Mexico could do that would benefit both countries is clamping down on the migration of Central Americans to Mexico.
Frankly, at this point, unless some MASSIVE changes come from Obrador, I really don't see much of a solution to the Mexican thing, other than a complete takeover of Mexico by the US, and then slowly straighten out the train wreck south of our border. Mexico has shown for too long that they are not going to do this on their own.
And Trump has had how many people quit? Pot meet fuckin kettleSure, Trump congratulated the new Mexican president Andre Obrador on his win. And sure, Trump said he looks forward to working with the new president of Mexico. But these are surface formalities.
Obrador will get the same amount of respect from Trump that the last 3 Mexican presidents (Fox, Calderon, and Nieto) got from Trump >> ZERO. Trump is on of the few people in America who sees Mexico quite clearly for what they are. One of America's worst enemies in the world, if not the worst.
Mexico is a rogue nation that has been carrying on imperialist theft against the United States for many decades. In today's world imperialism isn't done with swords like Vikings in medieval days. Not done with guns & bombs like the imperialist Japanese and Nazis of the 1930s and 40s. Today, imperialism is done by imperialist countries sending large swarms of their people to the prey country, occupying it, swiping away its jobs, and using these to transfer Billions$$ out of the prey country (ex. USA) economy, to the imperialist country (ex. Mexico) economy. IOW, international burglary.
At last report, the US was the # 1 victim in the world, with remittance $$ loss at $138 Billion/year, and Mexico is America's # 1 pillager, with a whopping $28 Billion/year being taken from the US economy. Wouldn't the Vikings be envious if they could see he plunder Mexico is hitting the US for ? Nothing the Japs got from China in the 1930s matches what Mexico is ripping the US off for in just a single year.
And I heard a few days ago, that Obrador was calling for huge waves of Mexicans to go to (invade) the US, thereby ramping up the Mexican imperialism that Trump is well aware of. And this is what Obrador thinks is going to get him respect from (of all people) Donald Trump.
Looks like Mexico might have a nutcase in their White House. Should be interesting to see how this is going to play out. Currently, Trump is deporting Mexicans back to Mexico in droves. He's also hitting Mexico with tariffs on Mexican goods coming into the US (something Mexico has little defense against). He's also still calling for a wall on the Mexican border, and Mexico to pay for it, and a restructuring of NAFTA that's good for USA, bad for Mexico.
Obrador will get as much respect from Trump as any mosquito, flea, or any other blood-sucking parasite, which is about all Mexico is to the US. He'll be lucky if he doesn't find his capital, Mexico City, surrounded by 150,000 US Army troops, like it was in 1848, when Mexico was forced to surrender in the Mexican-American War.
Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016
Mexico has had four presidents in the last 18 months?
Dang...
What do you mean by Mexican Imperialism?
What do you mean by Mexican Imperialism?Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Currently, it is $28 Billion/year (remittances) Then there are tens of Billion$ more being pillaged in welfare payouts, via the anchor baby racket, false documentation, and a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Click link for the thorough explanation.
First, let's take a look at those 28 billion dollars of remittances.What do you mean by Mexican Imperialism?Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Currently, it is $28 Billion/year (remittances) Then there are tens of Billion$ more being pillaged in welfare payouts, via the anchor baby racket, false documentation, and a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Click link for the thorough explanation.
Your argument that the Mexican government sends their people illegally to the US to have babies and collect welfare is about as dumb as your claims about remittances.What do you mean by Mexican Imperialism?Error | US Message Board - Political Discussion Forum
Currently, it is $28 Billion/year (remittances) Then there are tens of Billion$ more being pillaged in welfare payouts, via the anchor baby racket, false documentation, and a misinterpretation of the 14th amendment. Click link for the thorough explanation.
This is the biggest pile of utter, jibberish nonsense I've ever heard. Most of the words don't even make sense. Those that do are just wrong.First, let's take a look at those 28 billion dollars of remittances.
People intuitively assume keeping that money in the United States is a good thing for the American economy, but macroeconomists disagree.
One reason is that remittances mean cheaper stuff for Americans. The millions of Mexican immigrants working in the United States provide goods and services for American consumers, and in exchange they earn dollars. They sent 28 billion dollars home in remittances.
When immigrants send their earnings overseas, America loses dollars, but no actual goods or services. Figuratively, we trade pieces of paper with green ink for real stuff. If families in Mexico use those dollars to buy things made in Mexico or elsewhere, then America has essentially gotten immigrants' services without paying anything tangible in return. If, on the other hand, families in Mexico use their remittances to buy things made in the United States, then American exports increase. Either way, the American economy wins.
This is just one of the reasons economists are not that concerned about remittances. Another, reason is they are not a significant part of the US economy or that of Mexico. Those remittances are only 2.8% of Mexico GDP and .14% of US GDP. Lastly 42% of those remittances will return to the US in the form of purchases of US exports.
Claiming that the Mexican government is sending legal and illegal immigrants to the US to remit money home in some grand scheme to overpower the US. is a complete fantasy.
Opinion: Why remittances are good for America - CNN
Changing Patterns of Global Migration and Remittances
HA HA HA. Another insult to my intelligence.. Boy, this is what happens when you ignore conservative media, and pay attention to the like of CNN. OK. Here's your deprogramming >>Your argument that the Mexican government sends their people illegally to the US to have babies and collect welfare is about as dumb as your claims about remittances.
First of all and as I'm sure you're aware, undocumented immigrants are not entitled to any federal welfare dollars. Only their children born in the US are entitled to welfare which covers only a small part of the family expenses for those families that have children born in the US. Since the average size of a Mexican family today is less than two children and over half of which were born outside of the country, the impact on welfare programs is insignificant compared to the total welfare costs, particular when you consider the value of goods and services they add to the US economy, social security they pay that they will never collect, and taxes they pay.
The anchor baby myth has been exposed time and again and I'm not going go over that again. The facts are that most undocumented immigrants do not come to the US to have babies but to have jobs. Since children can not sponsor their parents or siblings till they're 21 and must have sufficient financial resources, their value as sponsors is very improbably. With the Trump policies of deporting undocumented immigrants regardless of the fact they have children, makes this scheme also improbably.
Millions of them get welfare using false documents, and usually don't even need them. Just like with voting,they don't have to present proof of citizenship, but instead just have t answer questions on forms, in which they lie. So they get welfare whether they are citizens or not. They also get state, county, & city benefits for which citizenship isn't even a requirement.
Your lack of knowledge of macroeconomics certain explains why you considered it jibberish. I’m not going to explain macroeconomics to you but hopefully, you may understand the following.This is the biggest pile of utter, jibberish nonsense I've ever heard. Most of the words don't even make sense. Those that do are just wrong.First, let's take a look at those 28 billion dollars of remittances.
People intuitively assume keeping that money in the United States is a good thing for the American economy, but macroeconomists disagree.
One reason is that remittances mean cheaper stuff for Americans. The millions of Mexican immigrants working in the United States provide goods and services for American consumers, and in exchange they earn dollars. They sent 28 billion dollars home in remittances.
When immigrants send their earnings overseas, America loses dollars, but no actual goods or services. Figuratively, we trade pieces of paper with green ink for real stuff. If families in Mexico use those dollars to buy things made in Mexico or elsewhere, then America has essentially gotten immigrants' services without paying anything tangible in return. If, on the other hand, families in Mexico use their remittances to buy things made in the United States, then American exports increase. Either way, the American economy wins.
This is just one of the reasons economists are not that concerned about remittances. Another, reason is they are not a significant part of the US economy or that of Mexico. Those remittances are only 2.8% of Mexico GDP and .14% of US GDP. Lastly 42% of those remittances will return to the US in the form of purchases of US exports.
Claiming that the Mexican government is sending legal and illegal immigrants to the US to remit money home in some grand scheme to overpower the US. is a complete fantasy.
Opinion: Why remittances are good for America - CNN
Changing Patterns of Global Migration and Remittances
1. "we trade pieces of paper with green ink for real stuff." What the hell does that mean ?
2. "If families in Mexico use those dollars to buy things made in Mexico or elsewhere, then America has essentially gotten immigrants' services without paying anything tangible in return."
"Services" ? What services ? What the hell does this jibberish mean ?
3. "If, on the other hand, families in Mexico use their remittances to buy things made in the United States, then American exports increase."
FALSE! America gains nothing regardless of what Mexicans spend the $28 Billion remittances on, because if the money stayed in the US, all of it would be spent here on American goods & services. So if Mexicans buy made in USA stuff, that's NO CHANGE from if the money stayed here, but the 90% or more of remittance $$ that they spend on non US stuff is all LOSS to American businesses who would have gotten those sales, if not for the remittances.
4. "Those remittances are only 2.8% of Mexico GDP and .14% of US GDP."
While states are struggling to come up $$ for school security, that $28 Billion could put 10 armed guards in every school in America. Wanna tell the parents of the Parkland victims that it's "only" some % of GDP ?
5. "42% of those remittances will return to the US in the form of purchases of US exports."
FALSE! US exports to Mexico are $243 Billion, and Mexico GDP (PPP) is 1.05 Trillion. So what returns to us (our export $$) is 23% of what Mexico spends, and so 23% of the remittances. But the bottom line is if not for the remittances ALL of this $28 billion would stay here, and be spent in US stores (aka the economy). So this means we're LOSING 100% minus 23% > ie. 77% of the remittance $$, or $22 Billion. 22 or 28, not a lot of difference.
6. "Claiming that the Mexican government is sending legal and illegal immigrants to the US to remit money home in some grand scheme to overpower the US. is a complete fantasy."
That's not the "claim". The REPORT is that Mexico engages in 21st century imperialism upon the USA, by sending millions of its people here (even with guidebooks about evading US authorities), to occupy the US, steal millions of jobs, and send tens of billions$$ extracted from the US economy in wages, to Mexico, thereby re-inserted into the Mexican economy when Mexicans spend the money in Mexico.
It is the pillaging of one country's economy by another country. Imperialism, 21st century style.
It also happens to be Mexico's number 1 source of income, and Mexico hasn't been secretive about this. Back in 2006 then Mexican president Vicente Fox bragged and gloated about it, and how his matricula consular cards helped to make it all work.
Vicente Fox Says Remittances Largest Source Of Revenue Since 2003, Gloats At Getting Illegals And Matricula Consular Into US : Diggers Realm
And in the future please don't present a link to me from CNN. I don't appreciate having my intelligence insulted.
You are long on assertions and short on proof.HA HA HA. Another insult to my intelligence.. Boy, this is what happens when you ignore conservative media, and pay attention to the like of CNN. OK. Here's your deprogramming >>Your argument that the Mexican government sends their people illegally to the US to have babies and collect welfare is about as dumb as your claims about remittances.
First of all and as I'm sure you're aware, undocumented immigrants are not entitled to any federal welfare dollars. Only their children born in the US are entitled to welfare which covers only a small part of the family expenses for those families that have children born in the US. Since the average size of a Mexican family today is less than two children and over half of which were born outside of the country, the impact on welfare programs is insignificant compared to the total welfare costs, particular when you consider the value of goods and services they add to the US economy, social security they pay that they will never collect, and taxes they pay.
The anchor baby myth has been exposed time and again and I'm not going go over that again. The facts are that most undocumented immigrants do not come to the US to have babies but to have jobs. Since children can not sponsor their parents or siblings till they're 21 and must have sufficient financial resources, their value as sponsors is very improbably. With the Trump policies of deporting undocumented immigrants regardless of the fact they have children, makes this scheme also improbably.
1. Nothing "dumb" about Mexico sending their people to the US to collect welfare and quietly allow us to pay their poverty bill for them. It's part of what they've been doing since before Eisenhower's Operation Wetback in 1954. Bet they don't put it in those terms on CNN do they ?
2. "undocumented immigrants are not entitled to any federal welfare"...and sure, we all know how notorious illegal aliens are for doing things legally, right ?
3. Doesn't matter whether illegal aliens come here for jobs or welfare, in both cases, they are depriving the American people of what the American people should get.
4. The anchor baby racket is not a myth. It is real and has been for any decades. Functioning every day.
Look, dickfuck, pull your head out of your stupid fat ass for a change.Who's pretending. I couldn't give shit one about those kids and their supposed parents.
I do support Trump and where were you when the same thing was going on under Obama??
Didn't hear a word from any of you lefty loons when Barry was POTUS.
Load those assholes up on buses and ship em back to Mexico. Let em as for asylum there.
Obviously not since those who say they are parents are nothing of the kind.Look, dickfuck, pull your head out of your stupid fat ass for a change.Who's pretending. I couldn't give shit one about those kids and their supposed parents.
I do support Trump and where were you when the same thing was going on under Obama??
Didn't hear a word from any of you lefty loons when Barry was POTUS.
Load those assholes up on buses and ship em back to Mexico. Let em as for asylum there.
Obama was dealing with unaccompanied children. Trump took kids from their parents.
TOTALLY WRONG>Your lack of knowledge of macroeconomics certain explains why you considered it jibberish. I’m not going to explain macroeconomics to you but hopefully, you may understand the following.
The 28 billion dollars remitted comes from Mexicans working in the US both legally and illegal. It is money earned primarily in construction, domestic services, and agriculture labor. The goods and services they produce benefits America.
The 28 billion dollars the migrants receive is money not used for living expenses; that is savings. If they just kept the 28 billion, there would be no negative or positive effect on the economy. However, sending the money home to relatives does have a positive effect on the US economy. Assuming the relatives back home are not independently wealthy, they will spend the money on consumer goods which means money spent on US exports would end up back in the US and benefit the US economy.
If migrants spent their savings, 28 billion on US goods and services there would have been a positive effect on the US economy. The same would have been true if US citizens held those jobs. However, neither group would likely spend all their earnings. Americans would stuff it in a savings account or their mattress and migrants would mail it back home. The effect on economy would be the same.
Your assertion that the Mexican government is promoting migration to the US is absurd. Mexico’s low birth rate has economists worrying about where Mexico is going to get enough workers to fulfill demand. Border towns have been short factory workers for the last 3 years. Wages have been going up for farm workers and the number of Mexicans crossing the border has been falling. Mexico’s unemployment rate is lower than the US. All of which explains why US illegal border crossing reached a 17 year low last year and the number leaving the US is estimated to exceed the number coming. It the Mexican goverment is promoting migration to the US, there're doing a lousy job.
You are long on BS SPIN, and proof isn't even a question because you haven't even said anything worthy of being looked at.You are long on assertions and short on proof.
Says who? Your fat assed orange hero?Obviously not since those who say they are parents are nothing of the kind.Look, dickfuck, pull your head out of your stupid fat ass for a change.Who's pretending. I couldn't give shit one about those kids and their supposed parents.
I do support Trump and where were you when the same thing was going on under Obama??
Didn't hear a word from any of you lefty loons when Barry was POTUS.
Load those assholes up on buses and ship em back to Mexico. Let em as for asylum there.
Obama was dealing with unaccompanied children. Trump took kids from their parents.
And if Americans held those jobs, their surplus earning (savings) would also be denying US business 28 billion in sales or whatever they save.TOTALLY WRONG>Your lack of knowledge of macroeconomics certain explains why you considered it jibberish. I’m not going to explain macroeconomics to you but hopefully, you may understand the following.
The 28 billion dollars remitted comes from Mexicans working in the US both legally and illegal. It is money earned primarily in construction, domestic services, and agriculture labor. The goods and services they produce benefits America.
The 28 billion dollars the migrants receive is money not used for living expenses; that is savings. If they just kept the 28 billion, there would be no negative or positive effect on the economy. However, sending the money home to relatives does have a positive effect on the US economy. Assuming the relatives back home are not independently wealthy, they will spend the money on consumer goods which means money spent on US exports would end up back in the US and benefit the US economy.
If migrants spent their savings, 28 billion on US goods and services there would have been a positive effect on the US economy. The same would have been true if US citizens held those jobs. However, neither group would likely spend all their earnings. Americans would stuff it in a savings account or their mattress and migrants would mail it back home. The effect on economy would be the same.
Your assertion that the Mexican government is promoting migration to the US is absurd. Mexico’s low birth rate has economists worrying about where Mexico is going to get enough workers to fulfill demand. Border towns have been short factory workers for the last 3 years. Wages have been going up for farm workers and the number of Mexicans crossing the border has been falling. Mexico’s unemployment rate is lower than the US. All of which explains why US illegal border crossing reached a 17 year low last year and the number leaving the US is estimated to exceed the number coming. It the Mexican goverment is promoting migration to the US, there're doing a lousy job.
If they did nothing with the $28 Billion, that would deprive US businesses of $28 Billion is SALES$$, that they would have gotten if Americans were in those jobs. And it is $28 Billion EXTRACTED OUT of the US economy, and after sent abroad, then REINSERTED INTO the imperialist countries' economies. Imperialism. International burglary. Plain & simple.
And you're going to give me an economics lesson huh ? HA HA HA. I taught economics in college 40 years ago, and I'm teaching it again right now, to you. Only difference is, unlike the honest students I taught in the classrooms, you are a dishonest, cheap, 2 bit phony, coming in here, and trying to spin away the truth about what Mexico, China, et al are doing to the US.
In addition to being as phony as a $3 bill, you are a traitor to this country as well. You ought to be ashamed of yourself (and your laughingstock spin job never made it to 1st base)
And Trump has had how many people quit? Pot meet fuckin kettleSure, Trump congratulated the new Mexican president Andre Obrador on his win. And sure, Trump said he looks forward to working with the new president of Mexico. But these are surface formalities.
Obrador will get the same amount of respect from Trump that the last 3 Mexican presidents (Fox, Calderon, and Nieto) got from Trump >> ZERO. Trump is on of the few people in America who sees Mexico quite clearly for what they are. One of America's worst enemies in the world, if not the worst.
Mexico is a rogue nation that has been carrying on imperialist theft against the United States for many decades. In today's world imperialism isn't done with swords like Vikings in medieval days. Not done with guns & bombs like the imperialist Japanese and Nazis of the 1930s and 40s. Today, imperialism is done by imperialist countries sending large swarms of their people to the prey country, occupying it, swiping away its jobs, and using these to transfer Billions$$ out of the prey country (ex. USA) economy, to the imperialist country (ex. Mexico) economy. IOW, international burglary.
At last report, the US was the # 1 victim in the world, with remittance $$ loss at $138 Billion/year, and Mexico is America's # 1 pillager, with a whopping $28 Billion/year being taken from the US economy. Wouldn't the Vikings be envious if they could see he plunder Mexico is hitting the US for ? Nothing the Japs got from China in the 1930s matches what Mexico is ripping the US off for in just a single year.
And I heard a few days ago, that Obrador was calling for huge waves of Mexicans to go to (invade) the US, thereby ramping up the Mexican imperialism that Trump is well aware of. And this is what Obrador thinks is going to get him respect from (of all people) Donald Trump.
Looks like Mexico might have a nutcase in their White House. Should be interesting to see how this is going to play out. Currently, Trump is deporting Mexicans back to Mexico in droves. He's also hitting Mexico with tariffs on Mexican goods coming into the US (something Mexico has little defense against). He's also still calling for a wall on the Mexican border, and Mexico to pay for it, and a restructuring of NAFTA that's good for USA, bad for Mexico.
Obrador will get as much respect from Trump as any mosquito, flea, or any other blood-sucking parasite, which is about all Mexico is to the US. He'll be lucky if he doesn't find his capital, Mexico City, surrounded by 150,000 US Army troops, like it was in 1848, when Mexico was forced to surrender in the Mexican-American War.
Remittance Flows Worldwide in 2016
Mexico has had four presidents in the last 18 months?
Dang...
Says who that they lie ? YOU ? YOU and your ilk make up shit all the time. That's what YOU do. Like the Russian collusion fairy tale. No objective sources for it whatsoever. Entirely from Democrats.Says who? Your fat assed orange hero?
How the fuick do they know. You assholes lie & make up shit to defend that piece of shit all the time.l How pathetic.
Children.
You support traumatizing children to punish their parents.
'How big of an asshole can you get.
Says who that they lie ? YOU ? YOU and your ilk make up shit all the time. That's what YOU do. Like the Russian collusion fairy tale. No objective sources for it whatsoever. Entirely from Democrats.Says who? Your fat assed orange hero?
How the fuick do they know. You assholes lie & make up shit to defend that piece of shit all the time.l How pathetic.
Children.
You support traumatizing children to punish their parents.
'How big of an asshole can you get.
As for children, in the midst of all you FAUX "OUTRAGE", have you said one word about AMERICAN kids being separated from their jailed parents ? (which goes on all the time) Answer: NO, not one word.
