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The article is more than a year old, so not really "new". Since nothing has happened on the gun control front on the federal level, not much sense rehashing it.
NRA declares government will seize guns ? RT USA
No one in the Administration is denying the memo is authentic. There is spin to try and deny it says what it says of course.
http://rt.com/usa/nra-gun-ban-confiscation-419/
No one in the Administration is denying the memo is authentic. There is spin to try and deny it says what it says of course.
It's clear from numerous comments they made that they would very much like to ban guns and confiscate them. Liberals deny it simply because they know it's not popular, but like every dictator in the past, they will slowly inch towards a more socialist nation. Straight from Rule for Radicals, the idea is to introduce their far left policies slowly, claim it's for the greater good and ridicule anyone who complains, disagrees or tries to stop them. We're seeing the same old tactics in action and we all know how it ends.
It's clear from numerous comments they made that they would very much like to ban guns and confiscate them. Liberals deny it simply because they know it's not popular, but like every dictator in the past, they will slowly inch towards a more socialist nation. Straight from Rule for Radicals, the idea is to introduce their far left policies slowly, claim it's for the greater good and ridicule anyone who complains, disagrees or tries to stop them. We're seeing the same old tactics in action and we all know how it ends.
The US has major problems. The first is a very high murder rate. This is four times that of the UK murder rate, for example.
However, one of the points of gun control is, that there are better ways of reducing murder rates, crime and so on. However these don't happen in an America where these sort of things, trying to stop crime before it happens, doesn't appear to be popular.
Education is key. Opportunities are also very important.
I don't just mean getting kids to do Math or English better, i mean having better skilled workers who learn at school what is relevant to them. But also learning things like how to be better parents, or how to view human rights, or many other things that require thinking and have the pupils think about this, rather than just be told.
Funding of education is also quite important, if you want to stop the cycle of poverty and crime, especially in inner cities, a lot is going to need to happen. After school programs have been shown to help, but the right especially sees this as a waste of tax money and wants to cut back and makes claims that "in America everyone can make it with hard work" which is simply not true. Often kids start with a major disadvantage, like a sports team starting with a major disadvantage, they might be able to overturn it, but chances are they won't.
Until this sort of debate takes hold in government, then gun control will always be an issue that titillates those who simply like verbally abusing the other political side, giving each the chance to insult, present some arguments that no one will ever agree on.
Joined up thinking is required.
(1) England has 31 million people. The United States has 357 million people. England's murder rate would be the equivalent of the Kansas murder rate.
(2) Confiscation would do nothing to stop the murder rate. The "bad guys" will not give their guns over - to that point 90-95% of "LEGAL LAW-ABIDING Citizens" (Myself included) would not comply with any confiscation law. The Gun Owners of America have been preparing for this possibility for years. They will NOT comply. So what does the left do?? Send in the Storm Troopers? I would hate to be the first one of those guys through a person's front door... This "law" would be tied up in the courts for 20 years.
(3) "Funding of education is also quite important..." Are you serious!?!?! How many MORE Billions of dollars do we have to squander on your idea of "education" before we finally realize that it has been money ill spent?
This "debate" that needs to take place is neither debate nor has it EVER stopped. The left has been pussy-footing around "confiscation" for at least 40 years - they try this and they try that and NOTHING they do has ever worked. It will NOT work now.
But your soliloquy was nice.....a waste of time, but nonetheless nice...in an "Alice in Wonderland" sort of way....
NRA declares government will seize guns ? RT USA
No one in the Administration is denying the memo is authentic. There is spin to try and deny it says what it says of course.
I honestly couldn't read past the idiot title, " NRA declares government will seize guns" That's what the NRA has been saying to drive up gun/ammo sales for years now and the small brains haven't figured it out yet.
Anyone with a brain knows about the Military industrial complex and further knows about the Civilian weapons complex.
The NRA get's TONS of money from Weapons Manufacturers. The NRA tells the sheeple that Obama is going to take all their guns. The NRA get's record profits. It's REALLY that simple. Read the history of the NRA and how they were almost bankrupt as a solid and factual staple for America vs. their movement today to scare citizens into buying what the lobbyists want.
The NRA is working for the $ today. Not for the people. Research it. It's a fact.
Note; he later makes the case that criminals don't obey laws which is Nihilism. Laws don't always catch every criminal but to state that "why should we have laws against something wrong" is direct NIHILISM.
Take out the major metropolitan areas and what do you get then?(1) England has 31 million people. The United States has 357 million people. England's murder rate would be the equivalent of the Kansas murder rate.
(2) Confiscation would do nothing to stop the murder rate. The "bad guys" will not give their guns over - to that point 90-95% of "LEGAL LAW-ABIDING Citizens" (Myself included) would not comply with any confiscation law. The Gun Owners of America have been preparing for this possibility for years. They will NOT comply. So what does the left do?? Send in the Storm Troopers? I would hate to be the first one of those guys through a person's front door... This "law" would be tied up in the courts for 20 years.
(3) "Funding of education is also quite important..." Are you serious!?!?! How many MORE Billions of dollars do we have to squander on your idea of "education" before we finally realize that it has been money ill spent?
This "debate" that needs to take place is neither debate nor has it EVER stopped. The left has been pussy-footing around "confiscation" for at least 40 years - they try this and they try that and NOTHING they do has ever worked. It will NOT work now.
But your soliloquy was nice.....a waste of time, but nonetheless nice...in an "Alice in Wonderland" sort of way....
1) Well 50 million, but yes, the UK is smaller, however this is per capita. The US per capita murder rate without guns is the same as the UK per capita murder rate. The US murder rate without guns is 1/4 of the murder rate.
2) Yes, I agree, the US is different to the UK and Europe, guns are there, and banning them would be a major problem. Hence why I think education is the best way forward.
3) It's not necessarily about funding education that I have an issue with. It's what the money is actually spent on that I have an issue with.
The US needs to have a think about what the aims for education are. What they went to produce in their students when they leave school at the age of 18. They need to think how different social issues, like divorce, parenting, crime can be dealt with through education.
You know, education is about learning how to live life, and yet often pupils are taught stuff that has no relevance for their life at all. Certainly at school when I did say, Geography, I doubt I've used a single thing from that class in my entire life.
History I learnt a little, I learnt how to deal with sources, and to ask questions like who, what, when, where, how etc etc. However my education could have been a lot better.
Startseite: HTL Villach
This is part of the HTL school system in Austria. It's a technical school. They study, from the age of 13 to 18, in one sector. There's building, engineering, different areas of computing (which is often to a very high level), and so on. When kids leave school at 18 they can walk into a job, and often have higher level skills than those leaving university in other countries, or near enough.
They also have other types of schools, which are aimed at other students.
However, I've seen this stuff can work. Your attitude of "it can't work" seems to be fairly typical in the US. Ever seen Jaime Oliver's school meals thing when he went into a US school? They said "you can't get better schools meals until you've proven it works" "You can't prove it works until you've tried it" "You can't try it until you've proven it works" and around in circles.
I think this is why the US is in such doodoo right now when it comes to education.
Take out the major metropolitan areas and what do you get then?
Per capita murder rates across nations is still irrelevant. How about I compare the per capita rate of a small town in Missouri to the murder rate in Los Angeles, per capita. It would not make much sense, would it? Of course not, the two locations are completely different. UK is also completely different. They dont have the variety of people that we have here, a third world nation bordering their southern border, the overall number of people, a serious cultural drug problem or a thousand other things contribute to the overall crime within our nation. The UK is not even remotely similar to what we are dealing with and the comparison is absolutely meaningless.
(1) England has 31 million people. The United States has 357 million people. England's murder rate would be the equivalent of the Kansas murder rate.
(2) Confiscation would do nothing to stop the murder rate. The "bad guys" will not give their guns over - to that point 90-95% of "LEGAL LAW-ABIDING Citizens" (Myself included) would not comply with any confiscation law. The Gun Owners of America have been preparing for this possibility for years. They will NOT comply. So what does the left do?? Send in the Storm Troopers? I would hate to be the first one of those guys through a person's front door... This "law" would be tied up in the courts for 20 years.
(3) "Funding of education is also quite important..." Are you serious!?!?! How many MORE Billions of dollars do we have to squander on your idea of "education" before we finally realize that it has been money ill spent?
This "debate" that needs to take place is neither debate nor has it EVER stopped. The left has been pussy-footing around "confiscation" for at least 40 years - they try this and they try that and NOTHING they do has ever worked. It will NOT work now.
But your soliloquy was nice.....a waste of time, but nonetheless nice...in an "Alice in Wonderland" sort of way....
1) Well 50 million, but yes, the UK is smaller, however this is per capita. The US per capita murder rate without guns is the same as the UK per capita murder rate. The US murder rate without guns is 1/4 of the murder rate.
2) Yes, I agree, the US is different to the UK and Europe, guns are there, and banning them would be a major problem. Hence why I think education is the best way forward.
3) It's not necessarily about funding education that I have an issue with. It's what the money is actually spent on that I have an issue with.
The US needs to have a think about what the aims for education are. What they went to produce in their students when they leave school at the age of 18. They need to think how different social issues, like divorce, parenting, crime can be dealt with through education.
You know, education is about learning how to live life, and yet often pupils are taught stuff that has no relevance for their life at all. Certainly at school when I did say, Geography, I doubt I've used a single thing from that class in my entire life.
History I learnt a little, I learnt how to deal with sources, and to ask questions like who, what, when, where, how etc etc. However my education could have been a lot better.
Startseite: HTL Villach
This is part of the HTL school system in Austria. It's a technical school. They study, from the age of 13 to 18, in one sector. There's building, engineering, different areas of computing (which is often to a very high level), and so on. When kids leave school at 18 they can walk into a job, and often have higher level skills than those leaving university in other countries, or near enough.
They also have other types of schools, which are aimed at other students.
However, I've seen this stuff can work. Your attitude of "it can't work" seems to be fairly typical in the US. Ever seen Jaime Oliver's school meals thing when he went into a US school? They said "you can't get better schools meals until you've proven it works" "You can't prove it works until you've tried it" "You can't try it until you've proven it works" and around in circles.
I think this is why the US is in such doodoo right now when it comes to education.
Take out the major metropolitan areas and what do you get then?
Per capita murder rates across nations is still irrelevant. How about I compare the per capita rate of a small town in Missouri to the murder rate in Los Angeles, per capita. It would not make much sense, would it? Of course not, the two locations are completely different. UK is also completely different. They dont have the variety of people that we have here, a third world nation bordering their southern border, the overall number of people, a serious cultural drug problem or a thousand other things contribute to the overall crime within our nation. The UK is not even remotely similar to what we are dealing with and the comparison is absolutely meaningless.
What do you get? You take out London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and so on, what do you get?
Oh, so now per capita is irrelevant. Say who? You want to compare small town Missouri with small two Cornwall huh? Yeah, what will you get? Probably pretty similar.
Of course, we're dealing with two different places.
That doesn't detract from the fact that the US murder rate is FOUR TIMES higher. i really don't think you're going to explain this away. Just saying it's different isn't going to get you anywhere. Every comparison deals with two things that are DIFFERENT.
Take out the major metropolitan areas and what do you get then?
Per capita murder rates across nations is still irrelevant. How about I compare the per capita rate of a small town in Missouri to the murder rate in Los Angeles, per capita. It would not make much sense, would it? Of course not, the two locations are completely different. UK is also completely different. They dont have the variety of people that we have here, a third world nation bordering their southern border, the overall number of people, a serious cultural drug problem or a thousand other things contribute to the overall crime within our nation. The UK is not even remotely similar to what we are dealing with and the comparison is absolutely meaningless.
What do you get? You take out London, Manchester, Liverpool, Birmingham and so on, what do you get?
Oh, so now per capita is irrelevant. Say who? You want to compare small town Missouri with small two Cornwall huh? Yeah, what will you get? Probably pretty similar.
Of course, we're dealing with two different places.
That doesn't detract from the fact that the US murder rate is FOUR TIMES higher. i really don't think you're going to explain this away. Just saying it's different isn't going to get you anywhere. Every comparison deals with two things that are DIFFERENT.
You dont understand.
If you are going to try and pinpoint a reason that the murder rate is higher, using the UK is irrelevant. IOW, many times this conversation goes to things like the UKs strict gun laws or other such nonsense. That comparison is not useful. To get a reading on why our murder rate is what it is other nations data does not tell us much. Sure, you can state that we have a problem because they are doing better but even that is rather vapid. The UK has a MUCH more homogenous population that the US does. Do you not think that plays a factor? We have a third world nation on our southern border. Do you think that also plays no factor? Those factors play rather large roles in raising our homicide rate and those are not going to change anytime soon. I have some things that I think would help fix some of that but then again, they are not popular proposals
Like I said, there are a shit ton of factors involved. Narrowing those down to things that should be changed involves introspection far more than extrospection.
It's clear from numerous comments they made that they would very much like to ban guns and confiscate them. Liberals deny it simply because they know it's not popular, but like every dictator in the past, they will slowly inch towards a more socialist nation. Straight from Rule for Radicals, the idea is to introduce their far left policies slowly, claim it's for the greater good and ridicule anyone who complains, disagrees or tries to stop them. We're seeing the same old tactics in action and we all know how it ends.
The US has major problems. The first is a very high murder rate. This is four times that of the UK murder rate, for example.
However, one of the points of gun control is, that there are better ways of reducing murder rates, crime and so on. However these don't happen in an America where these sort of things, trying to stop crime before it happens, doesn't appear to be popular.
Education is key. Opportunities are also very important.
I don't just mean getting kids to do Math or English better, i mean having better skilled workers who learn at school what is relevant to them. But also learning things like how to be better parents, or how to view human rights, or many other things that require thinking and have the pupils think about this, rather than just be told.
Funding of education is also quite important, if you want to stop the cycle of poverty and crime, especially in inner cities, a lot is going to need to happen. After school programs have been shown to help, but the right especially sees this as a waste of tax money and wants to cut back and makes claims that "in America everyone can make it with hard work" which is simply not true. Often kids start with a major disadvantage, like a sports team starting with a major disadvantage, they might be able to overturn it, but chances are they won't.
Until this sort of debate takes hold in government, then gun control will always be an issue that titillates those who simply like verbally abusing the other political side, giving each the chance to insult, present some arguments that no one will ever agree on.
Joined up thinking is required.
(1) England has 31 million people. The United States has 357 million people. England's murder rate would be the equivalent of the Kansas murder rate.
(2) Confiscation would do nothing to stop the murder rate. The "bad guys" will not give their guns over - to that point 90-95% of "LEGAL LAW-ABIDING Citizens" (Myself included) would not comply with any confiscation law. The Gun Owners of America have been preparing for this possibility for years. They will NOT comply. So what does the left do?? Send in the Storm Troopers? I would hate to be the first one of those guys through a person's front door... This "law" would be tied up in the courts for 20 years.
(3) "Funding of education is also quite important..." Are you serious!?!?! How many MORE Billions of dollars do we have to squander on your idea of "education" before we finally realize that it has been money ill spent?
This "debate" that needs to take place is neither debate nor has it EVER stopped. The left has been pussy-footing around "confiscation" for at least 40 years - they try this and they try that and NOTHING they do has ever worked. It will NOT work now.
But your soliloquy was nice.....a waste of time, but nonetheless nice...in an "Alice in Wonderland" sort of way....
No. The US Education is in such a state of "doodoo" because we have failed our children. From the parents, to the teachers, to the administrators to the politicians.
We have a nation of lazy, unionized so-called "teachers" that do very little of that and opt instead for mediocrity. In the past (say up until 1980-85) have been at the forefront of education in the world. These administrators, teachers and politicians have sat by and watched as our education system has gone from 1st to 46th in the world. And how do we address this "problem"?? We throw more and more money at it and get EXACTLY the same results. These same clowns come up with "new and improved" bullshit (as now in this case of common core nonsense) thinking that it will IMPROVE things. It will not. It will do nothing but keep the US on it's race to the bottom.
"A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity."
-- Sigmund Freud
Now, I've never been a big fan of Siggie - but he hit the nail on the head with this one.
"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject."
-- Unknown
Now, I don't know who this genius was - but he should always be known as "Genius"
"Cowards die many times before their deaths; The valiant never taste of death but once."
-- William Shakespeare
Old Wille was definitely right here.
"Do you care about freedom? Dreams may have inspired it, and wishes prompted it, but only war and weapons have made it yours."
-- Robert Ardrey
We kicked the crap out of the English and sent them packing. This is OUR country.
