New Calls on GOP Side Not to Lift Debt Limit .

[Avatar4321]

It's not the discretionary spending that's the major problem. It's the "mandatory" spending that's the problem

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Good to see these calls but the Debt Limit will be raised. It just muddies the waters too much if it's not raised. It is sad but it is what it is.

 

[Avatar4321]

Good to see these calls but the Debt Limit will be raised. It just muddies the waters too much if it's not raised. It is sad but it is what it is.

I know. Sad isn't it?

But if they are going to raise the debt limit, I want to see real action to cut the budget. If they raise the limit and keep spending ill be pissed.

 

[Cuyo]

How on earth do we cut government to the bone without cutting SS checks?

Hey, here's a no-brainer. Let me put it into a little bit easier perspective still, than I already have.

If you CUT SS outlays - Do you also want to ELIMINATE the tax?

Because if you ELIMINATE both, you INCREASE the deficit.

Coming into focus for you yet?

Because of course you want to continue the tax regardless whether there is a program.

Stop justifying over taxation.

No, I'm proving to you, in no uncertain terms, that SS is NOT the problem.

You are essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALALALALALA. Yes it is."

 

[Avatar4321]

Hey, here's a no-brainer. Let me put it into a little bit easier perspective still, than I already have.

If you CUT SS outlays - Do you also want to ELIMINATE the tax?

Because if you ELIMINATE both, you INCREASE the deficit.

Coming into focus for you yet?

Because of course you want to continue the tax regardless whether there is a program.

Stop justifying over taxation.

No, I'm proving to you, in no uncertain terms, that SS is NOT the problem.

You are essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALALALALALA. Yes it is."

Every unconstitutional program that is bankrupting our nation is the problem.

Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the problem doesn't make it any less a problem.

And SS is bankrupt. Heck, the entire government is bankrupt. It's time to stop denying that and fix the problem.

 

[Cuyo]

Because of course you want to continue the tax regardless whether there is a program.

Stop justifying over taxation.

No, I'm proving to you, in no uncertain terms, that SS is NOT the problem.

You are essentially sticking your fingers in your ears and shouting "LALALALALALALALALA. Yes it is."

Every unconstitutional program that is bankrupting our nation is the problem.

Putting your fingers in your ears and ignoring the problem doesn't make it any less a problem.

And SS is bankrupt. Heck, the entire government is bankrupt. It's time to stop denying that and fix the problem.

SS is 'Bankrupt' because it's funds were raided and spent elsewhere - Not because the program itself is in deficit.

I can't go through this with you anymore. You're willfully ignorant of the factual, undisputed reality of the situation.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Good to see these calls but the Debt Limit will be raised. It just muddies the waters too much if it's not raised. It is sad but it is what it is.

I know. Sad isn't it?

But if they are going to raise the debt limit, I want to see real action to cut the budget. If they raise the limit and keep spending ill be pissed.

Good point. The Republicans could force some spending cuts to go along with raising the Debt Limit. I like that idea. I think they would even get a lot of Bipartisan support for that. It could be a real opportunity for the Republicans to do some good. I guess we'll see what they do though.

 

[Avatar4321]

SS is 'Bankrupt' because it's funds were raided and spent elsewhere - Not because the program itself is in deficit.

I can't go through this with you anymore. You're willfully ignorant of the factual, undisputed reality of the situation.

You finally admit that it has no money and yet you pretend as though that doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter why SS is bankrupt. It's bankrupt.

But hey, put your head in the sand a little while longer. The fact that people are going to die because of the lies and irresponsible spending doesn't matter. Maybe if we just keep ignoring the problem rather than fixing it, it will just magically disappear.

 

[Oddball]

The biggest line item in the budget, which also happens to be a mandatory program, is Social Security. It has a $2.7T SURPLUS. That doesn't mean it's under a mattress in DC somewhere, it means that all other things equal, the debt would be $2.7T HIGHER had SS never existed.

I can't believe that anyone can be so willingly naïve....The debt wouldn't have been run up had there not been an immense honey pot of available cash to steal from in the first place.

The money was blown on discretionary programs over time; Predominantly, overwhelmingly, practically exclusively, on military programs.

Predominantly, overwhelmingly, practically exclusively, bullshit...The domestic socialistic moocher state hasn't come cheaply, either....I remind you that a lot of that spending includes federal mandates to the states, to shake down the peasants to pay for their "benevolent patronage" as well.

Listen Oddball, one could make the argument that without the spending we never would have achieved our current status. We could go back and forth on this for hours. We're getting away from the topic, which is raising the debt limit.

Do you think it should be raised, yes or no. Do you advocate a government shut down? Would you ever, under any circumstances, approve of a tax hike?

One could make that argument and they'd be dead wrong.

Fact remains that that we wouldn't be in this mess, were it not for the misnamed SS "trust fund" to raid. Well, the money has been wasted and is gone...Time to deal with it and quit pretending that it can be saved, because it can't be.

And taxes are already sky high enough...Time to do away with both Wilsonian military interventionist do-goodery and the socialistic welfare state.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Of course, the cuts suggested will all be in the social realm, and with a few cosmetic touchs for the Military-Industrial complex. And certainly more tax cuts for the very wealthy.

By all means, lets raise taxes, increase spending on social programs even more, and borrow more money, that will solve all our problems.

 

[Cuyo]

SS is 'Bankrupt' because it's funds were raided and spent elsewhere - Not because the program itself is in deficit.

I can't go through this with you anymore. You're willfully ignorant of the factual, undisputed reality of the situation.

You finally admit that it has no money and yet you pretend as though that doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter why SS is bankrupt. It's bankrupt.

But hey, put your head in the sand a little while longer. The fact that people are going to die because of the lies and irresponsible spending doesn't matter. Maybe if we just keep ignoring the problem rather than fixing it, it will just magically disappear.

As I've said - We should not be forcing seniors to fund your ability to pay lower taxes than they ever did, with the money that was earmarked for their retirement. It's wrong, the economic and civil havoc it would yield notwithstanding.

Money is fungible. Of course the money did not stand still; It was invested as it should have been. The problem is, that since Reagan, the government is spending far more money than it's collecting; The last 10 years being particularly disturbing. Social Security, in and of itself, is NOT a part of that phenomenon. It has a surplus. This is not an opinion. This is not a debate. This is a "I'm right, and you are provably wrong."

If you say it's bankrupt because the general fund is bankrupt, than you admit that the military has always been 'Bankrupt' using the same criteria.

Wordsmithing does not change the reality, unfortunately for ideologues like yourself, who probably think taxes are too high while you gripe about the deficit. You want to keep your tax cuts, and force the people who paid the high taxes their whole lives to sacrifice their retirement money to fund them. It's despicable.

 

[Cuyo]

I can't believe that anyone can be so willingly naïve....The debt wouldn't have been run up had there not been an immense honey pot of available cash to steal from in the first place.

Predominantly, overwhelmingly, practically exclusively, bullshit...The domestic socialistic moocher state hasn't come cheaply, either....I remind you that a lot of that spending includes federal mandates to the states, to shake down the peasants to pay for their "benevolent patronage" as well.

Listen Oddball, one could make the argument that without the spending we never would have achieved our current status. We could go back and forth on this for hours. We're getting away from the topic, which is raising the debt limit.

Do you think it should be raised, yes or no. Do you advocate a government shut down? Would you ever, under any circumstances, approve of a tax hike?

One could make that argument and they'd be dead wrong.

Fact remains that that we wouldn't be in this mess, were it not for the misnamed SS "trust fund" to raid. Well, the money has been wasted and is gone...Time to deal with it and quit pretending that it can be saved, because it can't be.

And taxes are already sky high enough...Time to do away with both Wilsonian military interventionist do-goodery and the socialistic welfare state.

Well, I think that's the best non-answer I'm gonna get.

You are right to point out that the SS trust fund was wasted elsewhere. Nobody denies that. I'd even give some credence to the suggestion that "They" wouldn't have spent so much if there wasn't a trust fund to "Borrow" from. Talk to Reagan. That's where it all began - To the magnitude of today's problems, anyway.

I'm all for responsible spending cuts. Unfortunately, we can't just cut our way out of this one. In the meantime, taxes up champ. Everyone enjoyed the ride up, everyone should be sacrificing to fix it. The booze cruise has hit the iceberg.

 

[Avatar4321]

Seniors shouldnt be spending my hard earned money on their retirement when they mismanaged their money.

Heck, the whole concept of retirement is bullcrap.

 

[Oddball]

Well, I think that's the best non-answer I'm gonna get.

You are right to point out that the SS trust fund was wasted elsewhere. Nobody denies that. I'd even give some credence to the suggestion that "They" wouldn't have spent so much if there wasn't a trust fund to "Borrow" from. Talk to Reagan. That's where it all began - To the magnitude of today's problems, anyway.

I'm all for responsible spending cuts. Unfortunately, we can't just cut our way out of this one. In the meantime, taxes up champ. Everyone enjoyed the ride up, everyone should be sacrificing to fix it. The booze cruise has hit the iceberg.

Non-answer nothing...The fact is that there's nothing short of raising taxes that you'll ever find acceptable as an answer to anything.....Ever.

Social Security is a plain old train wreck, and your only "solution" is --surprise, surprise-- the catch-all and nondescript "cut the military" and more taxes on the productive to pay the laybaout and the looter.

Well, here's an answer: Fuck you...Come and get it.

 

[Cuyo]

Well, I think that's the best non-answer I'm gonna get.

You are right to point out that the SS trust fund was wasted elsewhere. Nobody denies that. I'd even give some credence to the suggestion that "They" wouldn't have spent so much if there wasn't a trust fund to "Borrow" from. Talk to Reagan. That's where it all began - To the magnitude of today's problems, anyway.

I'm all for responsible spending cuts. Unfortunately, we can't just cut our way out of this one. In the meantime, taxes up champ. Everyone enjoyed the ride up, everyone should be sacrificing to fix it. The booze cruise has hit the iceberg.

Non-answer nothing...The fact is that there's nothing short of raising taxes that you'll ever find acceptable as an answer to anything.....Ever.

Social Security is a plain old train wreck, and your only "solution" is --surprise, surprise-- the catch-all and nondescript "cut the military" and more taxes on the productive to pay the laybaout and the looter.

Well, here's an answer: Fuck you...Come and get it.

Train wreck with a $2.7T surplus, and another non-answer.

Thanks, you are dismissed.

 

[Oddball]

The goddam "surplus" is being pissed away faster than it can be collected, you fucking fool!

 

[Cuyo]

The goddam "surplus" is being pissed away faster than it can be collected, you fucking fool!

Yes, by programs that should be funded by the general fund.

 

[Cuyo]

DEBT CEILING - Raise, yes or no.

GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN - Advocate or oppose.

TAX INCREASES - Are they ever ok, under ANY circumstances?

 

[Avatar4321]

The goddam "surplus" is being pissed away faster than it can be collected, you fucking fool!

You mean the one he has finally admitted was spent already?

 

[Avatar4321]

DEBT CEILING - Raise, yes or no.

GOVERNMENT SHUT DOWN - Advocate or oppose.

TAX INCREASES - Are they ever ok, under ANY circumstances?

No taxes should be increased until they can show that government spending will be significantly cut and there will be no harm to the economy.