Netanyahu's Great Magnanimous Peace Offer

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    Al Jazeera English - Middle East - Palestinians reject Israeli terms

    What is this shit? Seriously, what is this shit? What kind of "STATE" is this? Netanyahu can't even give them a fucking BANTUSTAN. How CYNICAL can one be to call this a "state"? And in case some here STILL don't understand by "we won't give up the settlements", THIS is what it means:

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    The Blue areas would become part of Israel and the brown areas would become the "STATE" of Palestine. Notice how they're CARVED INTO LITTLE PIECES? Cynicism of the very highest order. This is not a state.
     
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    Bibi offer was almost a non-offer. While I think Israel CAN NOT agree to allow any so-called refugees to Israel. However, saying the Palestinians can not have an army and basically stating he won't discuss giving up Jerusalem is a non-endorse.

    In my opinion Israel has to do it in one of two ways. Full negotiations with all parts or unilateral separation:

    Option 1: Full Negotiation:
    (1) All Parties:Declare that Israel will bring both parties to the table in ONE room. Meaning Fatah/PLO and Hamas. And then do.
    (2) East Jerusalem:Sorry, but Israel will have to give up East Jerusalem. The Temple Mount has been sacrificed a while back. In time hopefully peace can allow Israelis to visit the Temple Mount and vice versa. At least the Israelis will get the Western Wall.
    (3) Land Exchanges: State the all parties will negotiate "trading" land in the West Bank for land the Palestinians desire, including a land bridge from Gaza to WB and the Arab Triangle. Either both parties agree to the land exchange or the land currently goes to where the land lies! In other words any settlements in the West Bank becomes part of Palestine if no trade is agreed upon.
    (4) Jews in Palestine and Arabs in Israel: Both parties will agree that the Jews that remain in the West Bank will be citizens of Palestine not Israel and have the option to remain in their homes and will receive equal protection under PLO law. The Israeli Arabs vice versa.
    (5) Palestinian Refugees: Hamas/Fatah give up their demand that any so called Refugee gets settled into Israel. Rather they are either settled in the First Ever Palestine, Arab Lands or any suitor.
    (6) Palestine and Israel sign a full peace and trade deal: Palestine agrees to recognize Israel as a free independent state that has the right to exist for all ISRAEL. The stupidity in demanding it be recognized as a Jewish State is amazing, since if Israel loses a its Jewish majority, then its not a Jewish state anymore regardless of how its recognized. The IDF leaves all of Palestine and the Palestinians control their own borders.

    Both parties give up more than they want and neither is by far perfect for either party. However, a settlement is reached!

    OR

    Option 2: Unilateral Israel Moves:
    (1) Israel finishes a layered fences around all land they claim to have. Layer one: Car barrel. Layer two: Mine Field - clearly marked in Arabic, English and Jewish. Layer three: A metal barbwire fence. Layer four: motion sensors and camera, along with underground tunnel locators. Layer Five: Large Wall.
    (2) Have this go around all lands Israel intends to "take" and "give up." Equal land given for equal land taken. Give the Arab triangle and other border lands along with a land bridge from G to WB for the settlements and East Jerusalem.
    (3) Pulls back comely from the entire West Bank and Gaza and allow the borders to be comely controlled by the Palestinians.
    (4) Declare the First Ever Palestine independent and free to do as they choose. While also making a statement that any attacks will be dealt with with extreme prejudice and harshness. All missiles attacks regardless of damage will be considered acts of war requiring a response.
    (5) Go to the UN and have the declare the Free independent State of Palestine.
    (6) Declare the Palestinian refugee problem the Palestinians problem.
    (7) Israel makes a demand from all Jews, Muslims and Christians living in Israel must accept Israel citizenship and affirm loyalty to Israel. All Israeli citizens must submit to mandatory military conscription, this includes Orthodox Jews (who are currently exempt) as well as Muslims.
    (8) Then prepare for war because its coming.


    I prefer option 1
     
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    Bibi's speech was not for the Palestinians, it was for Obama. Obama called for two states living in peace and security. If not with a demilitarized Palestinian state, how would you assure peace and security? Obama was talking in slogans. Bibi was explaining the reality of the situation to him.
     
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    You see - this is the problem with a two-state solution. There is no such thing as "refugees." They cannot have Jerusalem as their capitol - it's currently taken by Israel. Ramallah seems like a good fit. This country is being offered to them because of terrorism - the world is finally bowing to terrorists and people seem to have no problem with that.
     
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    They are going to have to give up something soon or later.
     
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    Israel has already given up a lot and gotten nothing in return. The PA was created by Israel and all the area over which it has jurisdiction was given to it by Israel. Keep in mind that before Oslo, the Israeli government was the government of the West Bank and Gaza. The Palestinians have not made a single concession on any issue since signing the first Oslo Accords, even arguing to this day that the two temples were never in Jerusalem. While the PLO did recognize Israel's right to exist, although not as a Jewish state, in some of its documents, the Hamas Covenant and the Fatah Constitution continue to call for the destruction of Israel, although Fatah did accommodate western pressures by removing its constitution from its website. There is absolutely no reason to think that the creation of a Palestinian state will lead to peace, and that being the case, there is absolutely no reason for Israel to give anything else up unless it is getting something of value in return.

    Addressing the practical side of the Jerusalem issue, Rabin insisted that he would never compromise on Jerusalem and when Peres was PM he repeated this pledge and Bibi and Sharon, of course, did the same. When Barak and Olmert offered to give up parts of east Jerusalem, polls showed that such a deal would not have been approved by Israeli voters. Since the Palestinians and the Arab world in general offer nothing in return, what could possibly induce Israeli voters to change their minds?
     
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    They are. They're giving them parts of the West Bank which belong to Israel. Israel is, once again, giving up land for peace. Same story, different decade.
     
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    :lol: typical zionist jews debating over how much NOT to give someone.


    classic!


    Bibi will inadvertently become the reason zionism loses it's popularity for non-jews. The longer you people squabble over just how much irony you convey in dealing with palis the sooner the rest of us start asking why jews can have their own racist state when Nazis, South Africans, and Southerners couldn't. Which, of course, will initiate the scrapping of the segregated two state solution and usher in the era of the shared single state. Which, as we all know, you racist jewish turd puppets sure as HELL don't want. I look forward to when your ****** class rises up and claims their validity much like our American ****** class did.
     
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    You know what's amazing. 20 years ago the Israelis would never consider even acknowledging the idea of a Palestinian State. Why should we give something to them that they already have 23 of?

    So, the most conservative Jewish leader in recent history is finally willing to bend and say "Okay, here you go, we'll give you a Palestinian State, but it has to be under these conditions." And here we have anti-Israel Shogun spouting off his typical nonsense even though Israel has officially finally accepted the idea!

    Do you really expect Israel to be okay with a militarized Palestinian state living next to it? Do we not have enough problems with Gaza already?

    Then again, if we do allow them to build up a military and they decide to attack Israel, Israel can invade it and annex the land like it should have done 42 years ago!

    On second thought - yes, let's give these dogs a military! I'm all for it! Militarize the new Palestine!
     
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    You know what's amazing. 20 years ago the Israelis would never consider even acknowledging the idea of a Palestinian State. Why should we give something to them that they already have 23 of?


    For the exact same reason we here in the US don't marginalize blacks even if they have their own fucking continent. Yours is a war of public opinion. and you are losing just like South Africans did.


    So, the most conservative Jewish leader in recent history is finally willing to bend and say "Okay, here you go, we'll give you a Palestinian State, but it has to be under these conditions." And here we have anti-Israel Shogun spouting off his typical nonsense even though Israel has officially finally accepted the idea!


    Israel accepted the idea because the US told her what her place is in the pecking order. Again, WE HERE IN THE US are not about to marginalize an ethic population just because a bunch of assholes thinks that race dictates social boundaries. Enjoy, it's the reason you get to live here without being hunted down and evicted from this white nation you enjoy.


    Do you really expect Israel to be okay with a militarized Palestinian state living next to it? Do we not have enough problems with Gaza already?


    yes, in fact I do. Bibi is doing nothing but setting up impossible standards that he thinks will avoid the reality of a pali state. It's pretty obvious and we both know that the Alpha dog, the US, will help him come to cope with the reality of humanity beyond your racist zionism.


    Then again, if we do allow them to build up a military and they decide to attack Israel, Israel can invade it and annex the land like it should have done 42 years ago!


    You sound like a wishful thinking nazi but who is really shocked that you pray for killing your ****** class off? Your ability to detect irony must have been circumcised with half of your dick.



    On second thought - yes, let's give these dogs a military! I'm all for it! Militarize the new Palestine!



    DOGS, eh cockroach? It's funny how you cry about being labeled but have no qualms labeling arabs. Indeed, were it not for a jewish jesus your kind would have been dealt with long ago. Enjoy it while you have it, guy! Even a nazi once had his day in the sun!
     

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