US Support of Israel

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    Seriously people, if Israel didn't have the biblical significance that it does would anyone be quick to justify it's actions, from any of the other countries in the world that have commited acts right up there on a level with the Israeli military? It's funny because the same old the christian crusaders are rightous, and the Arabs are all simply evil rhetoric still plays out today from so long ago. Honestly the people who beleive that we should be supporting Israel with billions in military aid, to finance their operations, perhaps you should be more focussed on our own country which in case you forgot is facing one of the most severe financial downfalls in recent history, and I can think of a million uses for our hard earned tax dollars that are way more productive for our country then subsidizing the Israeli military.:cuckoo:
     
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    Nearly all of our aid to Israel, about $2.5 billion, is in the form of credits to buy military hardware from US companies, that means $2.5 billion worth of American jobs and local, state and federal taxes. The US military is being accused of committing acts right up there with the Israeli military in Iraq and Afghanistan. Why wouldn't we want to continue our support of Israel since it also supports our American economy and our American military in Iraq and Afghanistan?
     
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    That means 2.5 billion dollars worth of weapons for Israel at no cost to them.
     
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    Seriously do you really think that the US is going to dump their ally over a few disgruntled terrorist?
     
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    In fact, most of it is mandated by the terms of the peace treaty with Egypt that was signed by Jimmy Carter and is tied to the military aid given to Egypt. Since Israel manufactures and exports many of the items it uses these credits to buy from the US, some on the right in Israel argue that the government should buy them from Israeli companies to stimulate the economy. In the long run, they argue, this would make Israel stronger and more independent.
     
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    So 2.5 billion dollars worth of military hardware at no cost to them, but at a cost of 2.5 billion dollars to the American tax payer lol? Call me a little crazy but something just doesn't seem right about that. So as the Israelis use those weapons to kick Palestinians off of their lands,and to settle the very lands with little more explanation then really "your land is mine because my god said so", and not to forget those same weapons used to decimate the civilian population of Gaza, and shell United Nations Warehouses, and schools. But hey at least support is being given to our nations economy right lol? So let's just look away as American taxpayers from the actions commited by our nation's so called ally with our 2.5 billion dollar handout given to them in the spirit of friendship, seriously wake uo people!!
     
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    The companies and workers who get that money pay local, state and federal taxes and all the companies they do business with also pay those taxes so the money continues to circulate through our economy without any of it leaving. So this represents a redistribution of federal money.

    If you want to discuss what the Israelis do with the weapons, you have to be a little more specific than just drooling out slogans. For example, how is the recent operation in Gaza after eight years of rocket and mortar attacks different from the US invasion of Afghanistan after 9/11? How much death and destruction have we brought to civilian areas of Afghanistan and Pakistan in our efforts to go after al Qaeda and their supporters? Surely if the US is justified in spreading war over two countries, Afghanistan and Pakistan, and causing at least thousands of deaths, many of them innocent civilians, in response to one terror attack against our civilian population, Israel is justified in going after Hamas in response to thousands of terror attacks against its civilian population over a period of years.

    Since Israel had very few US weapons until after the 1973 war and since all the land Israel now holds was captured before that war, just what land do you think was taken with US weapons?
     
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    Then let them manufacture their own weapons. I'd love for them to become independent of us; Israel has no business receiving any aid from the United States.
     
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    Nonsense. No net economic benefit comes from giving handouts to Israel. All of the positives you've disingenuously attributed to our aid-giving are insignificant compared to the advantages that would come from keeping that money for ourselves or exchanging it fairly.

    -America: 3,000 civilians killed in a few hours.
    -Israel: <30 civilians killed over the span of 8 years.

    -America: No direct control over Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan.
    -Israel: Occupying power, imposer of a crippling and completely inhumane blockade, responsible for displacing the refugees that now populate Gaza, user of collective punishment.

    -America: Attempting to rebuild and bring some semblance of stability to Afghanistan.
    -Israel: Refuses to honor commitments regarding lifting the blockade, continues to make residents of Gaza suffer from acute insufficiencies of important medical supplies, job opportunities, and other needed resources.

    When did we place blockades on Afghanistan and Pakistan? A blockade is an act of war.

    We're funding a government that funds the theft of Palestinian land via settlements. We're indirectly funding the destruction of Gaza's civilian population as well. Israel should receive absolutely no support from the United States until it treats its population and those under its control justly.
     
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    I doubt it will happen. Israel already spends more per capita on defense than any other country on Earth, about $2,400 for every man, woman, child in the country.

    And it is unlikely the US would want them to. Without America's perceived influence over Israel, which Arabs seem to universally believe is based on this aid, the US would have much less influence in the ME. Why would anyone want to talk to the US about the Palestinians if they didn't believe the US had considerable influence over them by virtue of this aid?
     

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