Big Blue Machin
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Democrats are pretend Repubilcans. But there are difference. Republicans are very frank with their words. Democrats invent new ways to say something.
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Is that a nice way of saying that Democrats continually lie? If so, I totally agree.Big Blue Machin said:Democrats are pretend Repubilcans. But there are difference. Republicans are very frank with their words. Democrats invent new ways to say something.
Big Blue Machin said:Sorry, I could only clearly think of Ford because I read his autobiography.
It's all a show, a farce, a facade, if you will. They disagree so vociferously over things that are essentially meaningless, like gay marriage. I haven't heard gay marriage mentioned once by the politicians since the election.Zhukov said:If they are the same thing, why do they disagree with one another so vociferously?
It's fake.Truly, the chairman of the D party uses language that is hardly complimentary of the R's.
Right... like how Bush was against gay marriage, and Kerry was less against gay marriage. Or how Bush was pro Iraq war, and Kerry was pro Iraq war. FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.To me they seem to have a fundamentally different philosophy not only on how this country should be run internally, but also on how this country should conduct itself on the world stage.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-17-highway-bill_x.htmYes, they are both establishment institutions, quite entrenched in power and tradition, but are they essentially the same thing? I don't think so.
Can you provide examples on how they are the same?
Zhukov said:The D's remain the true big government party. The party that believes that the answer to all problems is more government and more government spending.
Big Blue Machin said:Sorry, I could only clearly think of Ford because I read his autobiography.
fuzzykitten99 said:yeah, spending money that we don't have.
REPUBLICANS have this 'teenager with his first credit card' mentality...oohh FREE MONEY to spend how we want on crap that's not needed!
Max Power said:It's all a show, a farce, a facade, if you will. They disagree so vociferously over things that are essentially meaningless, like gay marriage. I haven't heard gay marriage mentioned once by the politicians since the election.
What about real issues? Why aren't they arguing over the ballooning deficit, expanding government (both fiscally and intruding on our freedoms)? Because they don't disagree at all. BOTH parties want big government in every meaning of the word.
William Joyce said:You are right about this. The Republicans in power call this "governing conservatism," but it's really just big governmentism. I for years bemoaned this, read "The Road to Serfdom" and all that, supported libertarians, etc.
But it's hopeless. It's like a giant spinning wheel nobody can stop. Because I think deep down, nobody really wants to stop it. Loyalty to smaller government is really an idealistic thing that just doesn't motivate people to fight. It's the people getting the government money who have the incentive to fight to keep the status quo --- and do they.
It'll just keep growing like a tick until it pops.
William Joyce said:You are right about this. The Republicans in power call this "governing conservatism," but it's really just big governmentism. I for years bemoaned this, read "The Road to Serfdom" and all that, supported libertarians, etc.
But it's hopeless. It's like a giant spinning wheel nobody can stop. Because I think deep down, nobody really wants to stop it. Loyalty to smaller government is really an idealistic thing that just doesn't motivate people to fight. It's the people getting the government money who have the incentive to fight to keep the status quo --- and do they.
It'll just keep growing like a tick until it pops.
rtwngAvngr said:Liberal big governmentism is more suppressive than republican big governmentism. Liberals big governmentism is also combined with the racist agenda of changing the racial mix of society.
yes they are.Big Blue Machin said:Liberals aren't racist.
Big Blue Machin said:Liberals aren't racist.
rtwngAvngr said:Liberal big governmentism is more suppressive than republican big governmentism. Liberals big governmentism is also combined with the racist agenda of changing the racial mix of society.
GunnyL said:Are you kidding? They throw fluff without substance at minorities and promise all sorts of changes they never intend to attempt every four years to get a vote.
What have the Dems actually done for minorites post-LBJ?
Max Power said:It's fake.
Bush and Clinton were such opposites, right? But now they're the best of friends.
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=889121&CMP=OTC-RSSFeeds0312
Right... like how Bush was against gay marriage, and Kerry was less against gay marriage. Or how Bush was pro Iraq war, and Kerry was pro Iraq war. FUNDAMENTALLY DIFFERENT.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2005-05-17-highway-bill_x.htm
Bill passes, 89 - 11.
http://www.house.gov/apps/list/press/ny09_weiner/030106show.html
Bill passes, 381-41.
They're all republicrats.
You believe that partisan propaganda B.S.?Zhukov said:First, you believe that photo-op propaganda B.S.? Second, it is possible to be friends with someone with whom you disagree with politically, or didn't you know that?
http://www.senate.gov/legislative/L...ote_cfm.cfm?congress=107&session=2&vote=00237"Wrong war, wrong place, wrong time."
That's your idea of pro-Iraq war?
So they're debating about how far exactly they want to shove a pole up our asses, and you claim that's a fundamental difference?"Efforts to pass a highway bill have stalled for nearly two years while Congress debates how much to spend. The last six-year program ended Sept. 30, 2003, but it has been extended six times to keep highway aid flowing to the states. The current temporary extension expires May 31."
Two years and six extensions? You'd think people who are essentially the same could formulate legislation a bit faster.
So when the Republicans increase federal spending, you give them an excuse, but when the Dems do it, you think they just want to expand government for you.The Presiden'ts pet project for which he encouraged congressional support from the R's, because it was what he campaigned on. Naturally, the D's would support any increase in Federal spending on education.
In case you hadn't noticed, the D's occupy more than 23 seats in the Senate.All but two 23 Nay's were D's (one R, one I who always votes D), or roughly half of their representation of that body. That is what we call statistically significant.
It took me 30 seconds, and forgive me for being frank, but you're not worth spending any longer on researching a post.So, the GOP has been around since Lincoln, the D's since before that. And these three examples are all you came up with? You'll excuse me if I'm not convinced.
And what propaganda would that be?Max Power said:You believe that partisan propaganda B.S.?
And I'm sure he was being completely honest.Did you hear what Clinton said about Kerry and Bush? He thought they both were "great!"
Yes, he voted for it, and no, that's not all that matters.Kerry (D-MA), Yea
That's all that matters.
No, I claim it's not the same.So they're debating about how far exactly they want to shove a pole up our asses, and you claim that's a fundamental difference?
It wasn't an excuse, it was an explanation.So when the Republicans increase federal spending, you give them an excuse, but when the Dems do it, you think they just want to expand government for you.
Go ahead and scroll back to the begining of the thread where I said that.Just take away the excuse and you've almost taken off your blindfold. Both parties want to expand government.
You need to read more thoroughly before you respond to people's posts.In case you hadn't noticed, the D's occupy more than 23 seats in the Senate.
Well, there's your problem.It took me 30 seconds,
and forgive me for being frank [you're forgiven], but you're not worth spending any longer on researching a post.
Max Power said:What have the Repubs done?